Heppell suing Essendon

[chelseacarlton]

Seems to be the case.

Xavier Campbell on Bomber Radio said it would all be completed by no later than July. So to me there is going to be a lot of mutually accepted outcomes.

Over soon?

 

[pazza]

Perspective needed here as well.

It amounts to the loss of personal and professional earnings for 12 months. Safe to say that $1 million is the maximum he will get.

But, the club won't actually pay directly - it's insurers will.

 

[Gavstar]

Usually insurance doesn't cover "illegal" acts, perhaps this applies clubs giving to players drugs not approved for human use?

Does this mean that EFC may have to pay out of its own pocket? Oh oh?

 

[DERO]

And if he does then you know that his claims were bullshit because if he was trulyhurt to this extent then he wouldn't step foot in the clubs premises again.

You know, we are actually in an unprecedented position here. We could settle out of court with our players, negotiate deals and pay our players outside of the salary cap! How awesome is that! When life gives you lemons, make lemonade and then throw it at a Carlton supporter.

 

[pazza]

Usually insurance doesn't cover "illegal" acts, perhaps this applies clubs giving to players drugs not approved for human use?

Does this mean that EFC may have to pay out of its own pocket? Oh oh?

Would seem the insurer is doing just that.

 

[The_Reaper]

Perspective needed here as well.

It amounts to the loss of personal and professional earnings for 12 months. Safe to say that $1 million is the maximum he will get.

But, the club won't actually pay directly - it's insurers will.

Insurance company not going to try and argue Heppell was complicit?

 

[Muggs]

Usually insurance doesn't cover "illegal" acts, perhaps this applies clubs giving to players drugs not approved for human use?

Does this mean that EFC may have to pay out of its own pocket? Oh oh?

Insurance companies don't cover intentionally illegal, do cover negligent acts that may be illegal.

 

[chelseacarlton]

You know, we are actually in an unprecedented position here. We could settle out of court with our players, negotiate deals and pay our players outside of the salary cap! How awesome is that! When life gives you lemons, make lemonade and then throw it at a Carlton supporter.

Whom then catches it and mixes up a lovely cocktail.
Cheers Dero.

 

[Falcon27]

Perspective needed here as well.

It amounts to the loss of personal and professional earnings for 12 months. Safe to say that $1 million is the maximum he will get.

But, the club won't actually pay directly - it's insurers will.

I think the compensation will come from EFC, AFL and insurers. Insurers may very well have a limit on the cover, so I would imagine the rest would then come from EFC and AFL of it exceeds the limit.

Hopefully all negotiated on reasonable level of comp to all the players and then they can do what they want career wise.

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Insurance companies don't cover intentionally illegal, do cover negligent acts that may be illegal.

Which makes for an interesting question of who knew what when.

Dank (Voldermort) I suspect holds all the aces with this question.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Heppell might still go back to Essendon. Essendon have said they will accept him either way

What Essendon (and most involved in this) say then eventually do are usually two completely different things.

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[compact72]

Have we heard when Hirds decision is passed down for Federal Court?

 

[Muggs]

Which makes for an interesting question of who knew what when.

Dank (Voldermort) I suspect holds all the aces with this question.

Even if Dank did it intentionally still likely negligence on behalf of EFC to allow it to happen. Pretty much have to prove that EFC senior management or board were the ones intending the action

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

Even if Dank did it intentionally still likely negligence on behalf of EFC to allow it to happen. Pretty much have to prove that EFC senior management or board were the ones intending the action

Yep - no doubt. But as I noted above that is really a question of who knew, what they knew and when.

I would have thought that the "Financials are ready" email / text is one that would still haunt at least one rich bloke.

edit - further comment:
It cannot be possible that Dank has survived any meaningful attempt by EFC to discover what was administered to their players by a simple oversight. imho the only logical conclusion is that he has enough solid info to sink them and or a board member forever.

 

[Laphroaig]

The "CLUB" is an inanimate object. It's a thing. It can't do diddly squat. The people that RUN the club, however....

Not true Jenny. The club is an entity. Which means for many financial and legal purposes it is very much the same thing as a person.

 

[jenny61_99]

Big call… but this may be my favourite HTB cage thread ever.

It has a nice mix of genuinely funny jokes… along with several enlightening discoveries of the kind you make every time you enter the HTB.

Such as supposed experts who didn’t even know that professional liability insurance existed – that insurance that basically every business on the planet has.

Rolled gold in here.

You really are very gullible.

 

[Kabana]

The afl would heavily scrutinise it. Thats the same as a player from richmonds for example being "employed" by jeep as a sales rep as second job for an anual salary of 200k

Nah, the AFLs in cahoots with Essendon now and would OK the exemption a microsecond after the form lands on the desk.

It's very cheeky to be demanding a million a year contract to keep playing for the club - he's worth 800k max (I think he's talked up and overrated) and dont forget he's just sat out for a year. But hey, might as well stick it to them.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

WADA cant charge EFC, agree about the AFL but haven't they already basically said that the governance charges penalty's took this into account?

Also getting back to your earlier comment why not sue them for assault? Just because cant prove criminal assault does not prevent you from suing for assault with the lower burden (OJ Simpson style). Might not call it assault but go along the lines of we got injected with something that we told otherwise.

The WADA comment was more to say that they charged Heppell not the EFC. They see Heppell as the guilty party. As such he takes a huge part of the blame. The AFL hasn't officially blamed Essendon for giving him the drugs.

 

[Muggs]

Yep - no doubt. But as I noted above that is really a question of who knew, what they knew and when.

I would have thought that the "Financials are ready" email / text is one that would still haunt at least one rich bloke.

edit - further comment:
It cannot be possible that Dank has survived any meaningful attempt by EFC to discover what was administered to their players by a simple oversight. imho the only logical conclusion is that he has enough solid info to sink them and or a board member forever.

Agree, personally suspect they shit scared that Dank will produce records showing he injected the banned substances Ancient Tiger friend claim, Hexerlin, CJC-1295, and probably a few things no one heard off. I can see there being some legal issues around doing so, but at least put public pressure on him.

 

[less than zero]

Yep - no doubt. But as I noted above that is really a question of who knew, what they knew and when.

I would have thought that the "Financials are ready" email / text is one that would still haunt at least one rich bloke.

edit - further comment:
It cannot be possible that Dank has survived any meaningful attempt by EFC to discover what was administered to their players by a simple oversight. imho the only logical conclusion is that he has enough solid info to sink them and or a board member forever.

Which begs the question : why hasn't Dank dropped said people and club in the shit?

What does he have to lose? He will never work in AFL again and he is seemingly up to his eyeballs in debt with ongoing court cases that must be very stressful.

 

[Muggs]

The WADA comment was more to say that they charged Heppell not the EFC. They see Heppell as the guilty party. As such he takes a huge part of the blame. The AFL hasn't officially blamed Essendon for giving him the drugs.

My point was WADA has no power under the AFL anti-doping code to even charge essendon. Sole discretion of the AFL commission.

Agree he takes a huge part of the blame, said before the figures being bandied are total, need to determine how much of that he pays himself through contributory negligence. Think blame is shared between EFC the players and maybe even the AFL.

 

[Kabana]

The problem with this sorry saga is that it won't go away. For the next 20 years there is going to be a cloud over the club and players until it is 100% known what they were injected with.

I can see any illness/conditions potentially developed by players post retirement will see the club and their injection program again in focus.

A 'disaster' is an understatement.

The real disaster for all concerned parties would if Hird sued Essendon and Dank for pain and suffering caused by his raging boners. Or maybe Tania should sue..

 

[Muggs]

Which begs the question : why hasn't Dank dropped said people and club in the shit?

What does he have to lose? He will never work in AFL again and he is seemingly up to his eyeballs in debt with ongoing court cases that must be very stressful.

He's starting to.

Ask Bock what's he feeling after this week, or the NRL missing 5 after his defemation case.

 

[not_working]

Even if Dank did it intentionally still likely negligence on behalf of EFC to allow it to happen. Pretty much have to prove that EFC senior management or board were the ones intending the action

Wouldn't "gross negligence" (compared to ordinary negligence) from management be enough?

 

[less than zero]

He's starting to.

Ask Bock what's he feeling after this week, or the NRL missing 5 after his defemation case.

Yes, but it is Bock and Melbourne in his firing line why not Hird, Evans, (regarding the "financials") and EFC?