Heritage Round Jumpers

[Smeagle]

By the way, with the Eagles wearing numbers on the front of the jumper aswell, is this the first time this has happened in a VFL/AFL game?

Reading in the West Australian, this morning, it states that West Coast will also have the names of their aligned player from the 1977 SoO game emblazoned ontop of the numbers (on the back). Is this true, or a journalistic spoof?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

By the way, with the Eagles wearing numbers on the front of the jumper aswell, is this the first time this has happened in a VFL/AFL game?

Reading in the West Australian, this morning, it states that West Coast will also have the names of their aligned player from the 1977 SoO game emblazoned ontop of the numbers (on the back). Is this true, or a journalistic spoof?

The number on the front shows the number of jail convictions...

 

[The Punter]

Because we have finally decided to stop doing everything the AFL wants, they keep screwing us on field so we will wear our home jumper at home, if they want us to wear an away jumper at home then they could have moved a game from the dump to our home ground as compensation

So when the AFL wants you to play on Anzac Day vs Essendon, you'll tell them no?

So when the AFL releases a fixture that has Collingwood playing four games outside of Victoria each year, Collingwood won't travel for those games?

While all the talk of AFL/Collingwood collusion isn't helpful, your comment suggests that Collingwood has acted this way to spite the AFL and other clubs, and a group of professionals should act in a more grown-up way than this.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

So when the AFL wants you to play on Anzac Day vs Essendon, you'll tell them no?

So when the AFL releases a fixture that has Collingwood playing four games outside of Victoria each year, Collingwood won't travel for those games?

While all the talk of AFL/Collingwood collusion isn't helpful, your comment suggests that Collingwood has acted this way to spite the AFL and other clubs, and a group of professionals should act in a more grown-up way than this.

We will travel for the other 18 though.

 

[Smeagle]

We will travel for the other 18 though.

 

[eddiesmith]

So when the AFL wants you to play on Anzac Day vs Essendon, you'll tell them no?

So when the AFL releases a fixture that has Collingwood playing four games outside of Victoria each year, Collingwood won't travel for those games?

While all the talk of AFL/Collingwood collusion isn't helpful, your comment suggests that Collingwood has acted this way to spite the AFL and other clubs, and a group of professionals should act in a more grown-up way than this.

We have decided not to wear our away strip during a home game, whats wrong with that? Just because some clubs with no heritage change weekly doesnt mean we will, we have every right to wear whatever we want at home especially as the AFL keeps making us play home games away from our home ground, suspends our players for bullshit things just to get some media attention

You might call it spite, I call it taking a stand, not wearing your away jumper at home whilst the away team wears their home jumper, the one they werent wearing untill they decided to make a stand and given the way the Saints make a stand every year its their home game, its quite hypocritical to complain now, especially as the Saints usually chose to wear a jumper that clashes with us more than any other they have ever worn

 

[eddiesmith]

Geez this thread seems to be shrinking

 

[The Punter]

We have decided not to wear our away strip during a home game, whats wrong with that? Just because some clubs with no heritage change weekly doesnt mean we will, we have every right to wear whatever we want at home especially as the AFL keeps making us play home games away from our home ground, suspends our players for bullshit things just to get some media attention

You might call it spite, I call it taking a stand, not wearing your away jumper at home whilst the away team wears their home jumper, the one they werent wearing untill they decided to make a stand and given the way the Saints make a stand every year its their home game, its quite hypocritical to complain now, especially as the Saints usually chose to wear a jumper that clashes with us more than any other they have ever worn

First of all, for what its worth (and I am a proud Victorian) anyone who thinks Brad Hodge is a more worthy Australian cricketer than Andrew Symonds has question marks over his intelligence from the get-go.

Secondly, it is heritage week. From 1892 to 2000 Collingwood wore a white jumper with black stripes. This is a heritage Collingwood chooses not to honour on Saturday.

Thirdly, we have made mistakes about our alternate strip, which when the AFL (supposedly) got serious about kit clash, we scrapped and developed a seriously different jumper. Previous jumpers have not provided enough of a difference, and in an effort to provide as pure a contest as possible, we have made changes. We are all about what happens on the field, the actual game of football, aren't we? Jumpers that are too much alike are detrimental to the contest as players struggle to differentiate between the opposing clubs, as do supporters.

In the final analysis, according to you, your club is just being stubborn and pig-headed about this, and you are proud of this. I hope this isn't the case, as we should all be able to conduct ourselves like adults.

 

[eddiesmith]

First of all, for what its worth (and I am a proud Victorian) anyone who thinks Brad Hodge is a more worthy Australian cricketer than Andrew Symonds has question marks over his intelligence from the get-go.

Secondly, it is heritage week. From 1892 to 2000 Collingwood wore a white jumper with black stripes. This is a heritage Collingwood chooses not to honour on Saturday.

Thirdly, we have made mistakes about our alternate strip, which when the AFL (supposedly) got serious about kit clash, we scrapped and developed a seriously different jumper. Previous jumpers have not provided enough of a difference, and in an effort to provide as pure a contest as possible, we have made changes. We are all about what happens on the field, the actual game of football, aren't we? Jumpers that are too much alike are detrimental to the contest as players struggle to differentiate between the opposing clubs, as do supporters.

In the final analysis, according to you, your club is just being stubborn and pig-headed about this, and you are proud of this. I hope this isn't the case, as we should all be able to conduct ourselves like adults.

Yeah just like the St Kilda football club decided to be stubborn and pig headed and make a stand over clash jumpers the last few years

As for changing jumpers, its bloody stupid, clubs are throwing away their identity to try and make money with more jumpers available, its weird to watch a Freo game and they are not the team in the all white, you become used to them wearing it now a couple of clubs all have exact same clash strip, but if thats what clubs want then fine, fact is the red jumper is the best jumper the Saints had and didnt clash so they changed it

It may be heritage rd but who cares about it anymore? The Lions have finally brought out the best lions jumper, the tigers have the yellow shorts back and other than that its crap we have already seen or some stupid attempt to create heritage like Freo, Port, WC

As for Hodgey, not the argument for here but anyone who names themself after a Tasmanian is no true Victorian

 

[Matt_TY]

Why doesn't Collingwood honor their heritage, and wear the Britania jumper.

For the millionth time: Britannia has more links to the Fitzroy/Brisbane Lions than it does to Collingwood. For the millionth time: Get the Lions to wear it.

Or wear the jumper that you wore in the 1982 pre-season game against Swan Districts to avoid a clash with them. That jumper looks almost identical to Melbourne's current jumper, only it's black and white.

We were playing an away game in a non-league competition. I've said previously I expect us to wear it next time we play away to Swan Districts. Port Adelaide joined this league on condition that it was to change its name and colours, the same as every club that has ever joined. It's interesting that you bring up Britannia as some sort of damning argument that WE'VE CHANGED OUR COLOURS ONO, while completely ignoring that Collingwood does not wear those colours because they were already being used by another team in the competition they joined - the exact same condition we're expecting of you. So, either we're not Britannia and your Britannia argument is invalid, or we _are_ Britannia and have precedent supporting the "newest team changes" argument. Either way, you lose.

Atleast Port Adelaide has had the balls to wear it's magenta, blue and yellow jumper and the blue and white hoop jumper.

Jumpers your club actually wore in league competition against other teams from the same league.

Anyway, Eddiewood can keep it's precious black and white vertical stripe jumper, coz our black and white prison bar jumper is 100 times better.

Yawn, heard it all before mate. That goes for G.G.'s diatribe as well. Some of you Port tools need to realise that people were bitching about Collingwood presidents (Allan McAllister comes to mind) and their outspokenness long before Eddie McGuire, and they will long afterwards. What you really mean is that you lost respect for Collingwood since you joined the AFL and you never really took much interest in the VFL/AFL club-politics side of things before that.

 

[The Punter]

Yeah just like the St Kilda football club decided to be stubborn and pig headed and make a stand over clash jumpers the last few years

I think it is a rule accepted all over the world - home team wears preferred jumper, away team wears a jumper that doesn't clash.

As for changing jumpers, its bloody stupid, clubs are throwing away their identity to try and make money with more jumpers available, its weird to watch a Freo game and they are not the team in the all white, you become used to them wearing it now a couple of clubs all have exact same clash strip, but if thats what clubs want then fine, fact is the red jumper is the best jumper the Saints had and didnt clash so they changed it

But we only wore it between 1997 and 2002. Not much heritage, and the jumper that St Kilda supporters feel the same way about as Collingwood supporters feel about black and white stripes (or is that white and black stripes) is the one we wear now. Both clubs foundation members of the VFL by the way.

It may be heritage rd but who cares about it anymore? The Lions have finally brought out the best lions jumper, the tigers have the yellow shorts back and other than that its crap we have already seen or some stupid attempt to create heritage like Freo, Port, WC

This is an accepted fault of Heritage Round - but Collingwood and St Kilda should have no such problems. I would now support its scrapping - given how much conjecture has been caused about what Port Adelaide will be wearing across town.

As for Hodgey, not the argument for here but anyone who names themself after a Tasmanian is no true Victorian

I happen to facially resemble Ricky Ponting. What can I tell you.

 

[Mero]

By the way, with the Eagles wearing numbers on the front of the jumper aswell, is this the first time this has happened in a VFL/AFL game?

Reading in the West Australian, this morning, it states that West Coast will also have the names of their aligned player from the 1977 SoO game emblazoned ontop of the numbers (on the back). Is this true, or a journalistic spoof?

Not true.
The jumpers have little numbers on the front, like the WA State jumpers had in 1977. (Though in a different font)

I don't think there will be names on the jumpers.

As for aligning with players from the WA game, the numbers would be different.
Eg Wirrpanda will still wear 44, but that number was not used in 1977.

 

[SuperDanyle]

brisbanes looks terrific. good to see the old fitzroy one get a run

 

[thequarry]

We have decided not to wear our away strip during a home game, whats wrong with that?

It's Heritage Round, and really, there are no "home" or "away" jumpers.
And you wore your "away" strip for over a century (using it as your home strip also), including the 1970s. There was no clash with St. Kilda then.

 

[eddiesmith]

It's Heritage Round, and really, there are no "home" or "away" jumpers.
And you wore your "away" strip for over a century (using it as your home strip also), including the 1970s. There was no clash with St. Kilda then.

Yeah and? When we changed to the black back there was no clash with St Kilda either then they changed for the 100th time and started to complain

 

[thequarry]

Both of the (home strip) backs are exactly the same - all black with a white number. The front of both strips are mostly black/white. Both sides have predominantly black socks, too. In my opinion, that is definitely a clash, and more of a clash than there was with Coillingwood's previous strip.

 

[eddiesmith]

Both of the (home strip) backs are exactly the same - all black with a white number. The front of both strips are mostly black/white. Both sides have predominantly black socks, too. In my opinion, that is definitely a clash, and more of a clash than there was with Coillingwood's previous strip.

But when Collingwood changed, the Saints had changed and had been for a few years, the red jumper never clashed

 

[thequarry]

That's true.
But even when we changed back to the original home jumper, we at least decided to wear a clash strip when we needed it (before the candy-stripe design became both our away and clash strip), something which Collingwood never did (remember Port Adelaide's all-teal training top a few years ago, which they wore at their own home game?).

But back on topic, my initial point was that this is Heritage Round, and if both clubs were following the "rules" of the concept, then there would be no issue - and no clash - at all.
The reasons why the concept's "rules" haven't been followed in this case are really quite stupid, as has been mentioned by many others.

 

[eddiesmith]

That's true.
But even when we changed back to the original home jumper, we at least decided to wear a clash strip when we needed it (before the candy-stripe design became both our away and clash strip), something which Collingwood never did (remember Port Adelaide's all-teal training top a few years ago, which they wore at their own home game?).

But back on topic, my initial point was that this is Heritage Round, and if both clubs were following the "rules" of the concept, then there would be no issue - and no clash - at all.
The reasons why the concept's "rules" haven't been followed in this case are really quite stupid, as has been mentioned by many others.

That would be because up untill this year the rules were, the last to change is the cause of the clash and therefore have to wear the clash jumper, the Saints did so for a year then decided to be assholes and brought in a clash jumper that was a bigger clash than their home strip

 

[The Punter]

This is not about Collingwood's right to wear what they want during a regular home game - we do not dispute that. We had a brief dalliance with the red jumper - and we decided that is was a mistake, sort of like those funny numbers Collingwood wore during the early eighties. We then changed back to the jumper we had worn for many years.

If this was a regular Collingwood home game we would be happy to wear the clash strip, as we were against Melbourne & Fremantle. We are happy to act like professionals. However, IT IS HERITAGE ROUND and we cannot celebrate our heritage this weekend because of the apparent stubbornness of the Collingwood Football Club, with Eddie all unhappy about Port Adelaide celebrating their heritage and everything else.

And don't for a minute think that next year, when St Kilda hosts Collingwood, that we won't be expecting the Magpies to be wearing at the least a white jumper with black stripes. 16 clubs, all equal under the eyes of the AFL.

 

[FuManchu]

This is not about Collingwood's right to wear what they want during a regular home game - we do not dispute that. We had a brief dalliance with the red jumper - and we decided that is was a mistake, sort of like those funny numbers Collingwood wore during the early eighties. We then changed back to the jumper we had worn for many years.

If this was a regular Collingwood home game we would be happy to wear the clash strip, as we were against Melbourne & Fremantle. We are happy to act like professionals. However, IT IS HERITAGE ROUND and we cannot celebrate our heritage this weekend because of the apparent stubbornness of the Collingwood Football Club, with Eddie all unhappy about Port Adelaide celebrating their heritage and everything else.

And don't for a minute think that next year, when St Kilda hosts Collingwood, that we won't be expecting the Magpies to be wearing at the least a white jumper with black stripes. 16 clubs, all equal under the eyes of the AFL.

you fight your battles and we will fight ours

 

[DrJon]

Yeah just like the St Kilda football club decided to be stubborn and pig headed and make a stand over clash jumpers the last few years

As for changing jumpers, its bloody stupid, clubs are throwing away their identity to try and make money with more jumpers available, its weird to watch a Freo game and they are not the team in the all white, you become used to them wearing it now a couple of clubs all have exact same clash strip, but if thats what clubs want then fine, fact is the red jumper is the best jumper the Saints had and didnt clash so they changed it

It may be heritage rd but who cares about it anymore? The Lions have finally brought out the best lions jumper, the tigers have the yellow shorts back and other than that its crap we have already seen or some stupid attempt to create heritage like Freo, Port, WC

As for Hodgey, not the argument for here but anyone who names themself after a Tasmanian is no true Victorian

Create heritage? Freo doesn't have VFL heritage, of course not. But football in Fremantle has a rich footballing heritage, just as rich as anything Collingwood can muster. Just because it didn't happen in Melbourne doesn't mean it didn't exist before you heard about it.

And regarding the jumper, when will the Pies realise that when they changed their jumper to create a predominantly black guernsey they created a series of clashes where none had existed before?

And yes;anyone that considers Brad Hodge a better ODI player than Andrew Symonds can't be all there. Not even Bill Lawry would argue that one.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

It's Heritage Round, and really, there are no "home" or "away" jumpers.
And you wore your "away" strip for over a century (using it as your home strip also), including the 1970s. There was no clash with St. Kilda then.

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stop making sense

 

[RoyalBlue]

I want them to piss off the theming so North can roll out a couple of the crackers from it's past - including a strip with a red sash. Watch out Dons fans!

 

[jonesy86]

St Kilda
The Saints are wearing their 2007 away strip due to a guernsey clash with Collingwood.

http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=46715

disgraceful....the AFL should at least pick a round that there are no 'clashes'

wouldn't the saints clash strip which is predominantly all white clash with the pies heritage strip anyway which too is predominantly all white on the back?