Would never happen, but how about ... fine, you can move to Victoria if you want. Train by yourself (probably be better off than training under our S&C team) and play for us on the weekends. Wouldn't be too hard for Hill to fit in with a new gameplan ... just tell him to do the same thing he has been. Maybe a few surfing trips in the summer during pre-season drills. Debrief before each game. Gets to play with his brother, wife gets to live in Melbourne. He'd be fine. Just a few hundred grand short in his bank account.
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Doesn't really set the standard does it? Remember when Belly was doing his up north trips. Wonder what the players thought about that.
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I reckon he's heading to carlton.
Now cogs has re-signed with gws carlton will have the cap space for him
Carlton have pulled out of the race for Brandon Ellis
Young comes out day after cogs has re-signed to confirm brad wants a trade
Young mentions they have been looking at clubs with players that could fit freos list need - SPS, Fisher
I would think that Carlton would be a more appealing club to brad than St Kilda
Pick 8 and SPS would do it for me
Now cogs has re-signed with gws carlton will have the cap space for him
Carlton have pulled out of the race for Brandon Ellis
Young comes out day after cogs has re-signed to confirm brad wants a trade
Young mentions they have been looking at clubs with players that could fit freos list need - SPS, Fisher
I would think that Carlton would be a more appealing club to brad than St Kilda
Pick 8 and SPS would do it for me
That's it. Hills bullshit excise about family reasons is a cop out. Only way to combat players leaving after their intial lucrative years on a front loaded contract is to hold them to it. Otherwise it just becomes industry practice to trade "homesick" players with years left.
So you're citing someone who we attracted and can't retain?
OK.
We just tread water if we recruit to replace what we lose via trades and retirements. You surely must see that?
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Really disappointed with the language from Bell. He needs to be stronger, more aggressive just like Alcock/Trump.
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I thought Brad could have gotten Fremantle into trouble a couple of years ago when he accepted his Doig Medal and then thanked Dale Alcock for giving him a discount on building his new house.
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Yeah I was. Because we are retaining the rest of them and he is being offered nearly a million dollars a year under the thin veil of his fiance, who spends a lot of time in Melbourne, needs to be back in Melbourne.
I'm sure we can match the dollar figure with a long enough deal.
He already agreed to terms with Freo twice. He has already been paid most of his contract.
If someone came and offered Walters twice what he is earning I'd expect him to request a trade too with some rubbish public reason to make it about family.
St Kilda want to buy their missing link. Neale was Brisbane's. Both clubs dumped expensive trouble in Beams and Carlisle to facilitate it.
The situation would be reversed if Harley Bennell was on $750,000 and we traded him out, then threw a million a year at someone else.
If we weren't a desirable place we would attract players. Retaining them when the last two have been the marquee godfather deals those clubs needed to complete their puzzle is not going to be something we can afford, not without us losing talent later.
You still haven't answered my question. Maybe I didn't ask it directly enough.
Why are the players of some clubs more susceptible to 'godfather' offers than others?
You don't think fat wads of cash are offered to the top half dozen or so players from every team? Why are we losing players of note and seemingly (if you listen to some here) there's nothing we can do?
Another question.
Do you think we can afford to lose one of our best younger midfield types (Weller & Langdon) or a B&F midfielder (Neale & BHill) every year and still go forward?
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I'm disappointed that BHill will most likely be gone in 2020.
But while I believe Neale left due to many reasons, I truly believe BHill's is simply girlfriend driven.
No doubt BHill will be getting paid more in 2020 because of this move, but if BHill is looking to spend his life with his girlfriend and she wants to be in Melbourne in the foreseeable future, then that's it. Case closed.
I'm not sure what we can learn from it?
Do you vet player's girlfriends as part of your evaluation of their likely retention?
Can you front and back load contracts so players get paid most of their contracts in their 1st and last year?
Personally, I think this one simply comes down to Freo's bad luck.
So we just look to the future and try to get the best deal we can.
But while I believe Neale left due to many reasons, I truly believe BHill's is simply girlfriend driven.
No doubt BHill will be getting paid more in 2020 because of this move, but if BHill is looking to spend his life with his girlfriend and she wants to be in Melbourne in the foreseeable future, then that's it. Case closed.
I'm not sure what we can learn from it?
Do you vet player's girlfriends as part of your evaluation of their likely retention?
Can you front and back load contracts so players get paid most of their contracts in their 1st and last year?
Personally, I think this one simply comes down to Freo's bad luck.
So we just look to the future and try to get the best deal we can.
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If we are churning talent in as well as out then we can move forward.
Perhaps we have trouble keeping the players mid contract because we haven't factored in the pay rise to them that's currently paid to others. Perhaps the money they are offered isn't in our scope for that player.
Add Brad Hill next year on $900,000 and Weller for $750,000 on top of Hogan on $700,000 and Lobb on $700,000 and Fyfe on $1,200,000 and Neale on $1,250,000. How much do we have left?
I'll reiterate. The clubs that poached our players were Gold Coast who had just lost Ablett (freeing up cash), Brisbane were losing Beams (freeing up cash) and St Kilda are dumping Carlisle (more cash again).
That's why we can't keep up with this. Fyfe would ask for a trade for twice his pay elsewhere and the next thing we would do is offer his huge cash to poach someone else.
...like we did with Hogan and Lobb.
I don't know why our players are seemingly more susceptible, I think GWS is more, but we have attracted talent and that costs a lot. So perhaps our cap is well managed (as in tightly organised) so we need 95% paid each season and haven't planned to add more to some deals mid way through.
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Have you emailed the club?
Carlton/Hawks surely enter the race for BHill now too, after missing out on Cogs.
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Do they actually give a response?
its better than them saying the last year of their contract because they are on 800k, knowing they are going to leave. Then you get nothing when they leave as they are a free agent.
Front loading contracts makes it more likely you will get something for people when they leave.
Conca and Matera were far from required players.
This.
Neale's move actually made more sense to me because I know a few young 'go-getters', ie successful young men in their 20s/30s leave good jobs and good people for better opportunities that offer more adventure and excitement. It's just par for the course for that type of bloke and it's not something risk-averse, stability seeking people understand.
I'm sure there were more factors at play but I think Neale had the aforementioned personality type to make a move.
The Hill one doesn't make sense for the reasons you've mentioned, there's hundreds of ways people work around these situations, and it's something thousands of young couples work around in the country. Even so, I don't want to make any harsh judgements (he's whipped, she's a ball breaker, a princess, they're greedy etc).
But there has to be something more to it, I e. An unwell relative or other personal circumstance that beckons her back home.
It's all moot, Bell has the power to hold him to his contract the same way he released Ross from his.
This is the danger of long so-called "rebuilds". Why would players that have opportunity hang around losing season after losing season for a "rebuild" that might not go anywhere at all.
The best way of retaining the talent you want to keep is the same as the best way of (a) attracting "mature" talent and (b) getting good press: win games of football. Get a good team together, have winning seasons, play finals _and then keep doing it_: don't drop off after merely a few good years just because everything got a little bit too hard one season.
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Funny all the pages are on Brad Hill.
Langdon just moving back to Melbourne and missing mad Monday is pretty brutal. No goodbyes, no trade bloke just packs his gear and leaves.
If Melbourne are looking to trade Down their pick 2 to multiple, I’m keen to leave him to hangout and dry.
Get one of those picks or let him go to the draft (or Gus Brayshaw)
Melbourne won’t use pick 2 on a bloke who cannot kick. They can’t put a serious payday for him either to aviod Gold Coast picking him up in the preseason draft.
Langdon just moving back to Melbourne and missing mad Monday is pretty brutal. No goodbyes, no trade bloke just packs his gear and leaves.
If Melbourne are looking to trade Down their pick 2 to multiple, I’m keen to leave him to hangout and dry.
Get one of those picks or let him go to the draft (or Gus Brayshaw)
Melbourne won’t use pick 2 on a bloke who cannot kick. They can’t put a serious payday for him either to aviod Gold Coast picking him up in the preseason draft.
Totally agree.
If we are losing both Langdon and B Hill, we need mature players to be competitive.
If are not competitive, we will lose Ryan and Cerra.
The cycle isn’t good.
I would love for us to bring in 3-4 B graders and help us challenge for the eight.
Another part of moneyball is to replace A grade who is overpriced with B grades who are underpriced.
At the same time, you may increase performance.
This year we lacked depth.
Lose Langdon and B Hill and bring in Acres, B Ellis, and Bolton plus pick 5. Might equal or better the performance lost.
Plus add Henry and pick 6, our depth issue maybe solved.
A few years ago we went out to the wheatbelt. After 4 years my wife wanted to come back to Perth. I couldn't just go to my employer and demand they relocate me back to Perth. We had to wait months for an opportunity to come up, apply and move.
The same thing should apply here. Yes BHill and his GF want to go back to Melbourne but it has to work for the organisation. If it doesn't get done this year, try again next year.
The same thing should apply here. Yes BHill and his GF want to go back to Melbourne but it has to work for the organisation. If it doesn't get done this year, try again next year.
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