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Hogan worth
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They know how good he could be. It just seems that they have multiplied that by about 60% due to the foot risk.
Note the strength of the Melbourne campaign to keep him.... NOT VERY STRONG AT ALL. Compare that with our campaign to keep Neale.
Neale does not have a bad foot injury.
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Do you mean campaigner or do you mean campaigner ?
To state the obvious, Melbourne is a top tier team now.
What this also mean is that free agency compensation, which favors bottom teams, no longer work to their advantage. Gone are the days where Frawley is worth pick 3 and Colin Sylvia netted pick 24, only 4 pIcks below Buddy at 20.
Fremantle can request for a high 1st round pick + extra for Neale, simply because even if he walks out via free agency next year, he’ll still net Freo a high 1st round pick. The extra is just incentive to release him early.
Hogan is not a free agent next year and is in a different situation as Neale. Trying to compare Hogan and Neale’s football prowess to derive Hogan’s trade value will be meaningless.
That is before the ‘possibility of career ending injury’ discount as well.
In fact, I won’t be surprised if Suns asked for more than Neale or Hogan’s trade value for May.
What this also mean is that free agency compensation, which favors bottom teams, no longer work to their advantage. Gone are the days where Frawley is worth pick 3 and Colin Sylvia netted pick 24, only 4 pIcks below Buddy at 20.
Fremantle can request for a high 1st round pick + extra for Neale, simply because even if he walks out via free agency next year, he’ll still net Freo a high 1st round pick. The extra is just incentive to release him early.
Hogan is not a free agent next year and is in a different situation as Neale. Trying to compare Hogan and Neale’s football prowess to derive Hogan’s trade value will be meaningless.
That is before the ‘possibility of career ending injury’ discount as well.
In fact, I won’t be surprised if Suns asked for more than Neale or Hogan’s trade value for May.
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he is clearly worth 2 first rounders. why is this even being spoken about? Treloar, Lever both got 2 first rounders and hogan is easily at that level.
How can freo demand pick 2 for lachy weller, yet offer less for hogan. its certainly a quick way to burn bridges at the trade table. melbourne gave 2 first rounders for lever, and have a good understanding that you need to give up something to get something. if you're low balling teams all the time you get a reputation and no-one deals with you.
Of course we want to keep hogan, but we just recognise that he is home sick and we have 2 good forwards in mcdonald and a developing weideman.
melbourne clearly know that freo think we are going to budge but we dont need to. he has another year on his contract. sure, you can wait a year and try your luck then but that's 1 less season you get of his services. thats 1 season out of about 8 seasons he has left in his career so its significant
How can freo demand pick 2 for lachy weller, yet offer less for hogan. its certainly a quick way to burn bridges at the trade table. melbourne gave 2 first rounders for lever, and have a good understanding that you need to give up something to get something. if you're low balling teams all the time you get a reputation and no-one deals with you.
Of course we want to keep hogan, but we just recognise that he is home sick and we have 2 good forwards in mcdonald and a developing weideman.
melbourne clearly know that freo think we are going to budge but we dont need to. he has another year on his contract. sure, you can wait a year and try your luck then but that's 1 less season you get of his services. thats 1 season out of about 8 seasons he has left in his career so its significant
Neale is worth more to Brisbane and Freo than Hogan is to Melbourne, and possibly Freo.
Melbourne needs to offload Hogan to get rid of May. Hogan hasn’t requested a trade, Melbourne have been shopping him.
You gave up the equivalent of pick 7 for Lever. I’ve already run the maths on that.
11 plus let’s call it 28 because we finish 10th is valued at pick 5, which is clearly higher than what you gave for Lever.
In fact 11 plus any second rounder would hold more value than pick 7.
Yeah it’s unders, but don’t preach Lever deal unless you actually understand it.
We could find a way to get pick 15 and 16 and still have you beaches moaning.
The thing you are missing is that you can only offer what you have to offer. And at the moment we have pick 11, 23, 30, 49... and a future 2nd, 4th we can use. Our future 2nd would actually be our equal 2nd best pick in that line up if ladder positions remained the same. Suspect we are reluctant to offer our future 1st as that would be pick #5 next year if ladder positions remained the same. And #5 and #11 would no doubt be over what we are expecting to pay, so would be dumb to offer it (and we can't anyway because we've used a future 3rd already).
So we have effectively offered our two current best picks as a starting point - it's still an equivalent points value of pick 3/4 or so. I can't imagine us offering 11, 23 and future 2nd (ie more 2nd round picks) would be any more acceptable (which is almost pick 1 on points value)?
This is being played out in the media because somebody leaked it to them... I wonder who? I very much doubt behind closed doors the conversation involved Rosich and Bell storming in to the room and saying "Steve and Peter have arrived. Listen here peons. 11 and a future 2nd is our first and final offer. Accept it and then go wash our rental car."
Plus about Weller. We did demand it and we got it. That’s not our fault.
If we turn desperate we may give up more but it seriously feels like Melbourne trying to push him out and Freo have worked this out.
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THat's all when and good but not one club in the competition would trade a pick 5 for 11 and 28. Not one.
I'd respond but i'm too scared you are going to have another hissy fit.
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Hogan is from Perth if you haven't figured it out yet. Of course he wants to return home. You don't push out players of his quality but you must be pragmatic and think that she should trade him if fremantle are going to offer him what he is worth. He won't be playing for you guys next season unless you give us 2 first rounders. That's what he is worth and that's what we offered to you.
Fremantle have been stalking him sine he was 17 outside his bedroom to get him in a free jumper and now you are wanting him for less than lachy weller and a lot less than lachy neale. Bell has embarrassed himself in front of the entire competition.
Example 2.
Eagles traded 6 and 44 with Collingwood for 11, 31 and 49.
Both of the examples I just showed are probably worse than what you just said no club would do.
I’ve given you 2 examples off the top of my head in 2 minutes.
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How is that nearly? Also, it was to satisfy another trade as you want to cough up less for Hogan. So there's more to that trade.
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Melbourne have said they want him and we don't know what Hogan wants but him touring Cockburn says enough. I personally think he's told the Dee's if a deal comes that they're happy with then so be it otherwise I'll stick around
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which draft?
Have you been stalking the people we have stalking other people? If someone stalks someone and no-one is there to stalk them did they really stalk them?
I'm pretty certain 100% of followers wouldn't know Peter Bell is our new CEO.
