Hostage Situation - Martin Place, Sydney

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Small Moves said:
Overseas media reporting that TAG East were in fact involved in the entry. NSWPOL had come out and said they weren't required, however I was informed by an inside source beforehand that TAG East would be involved.

Interested to see what is made of this in the coming days.
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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they were. They are based in Sydney, so why not use them I suppose. I can't imagine it's going to be confirmed by the powers that be if they were or not. Nobody likes to see the Army called into action domestically.
 
Silent Alarm said:
Exactly, he had absolutely no connection with IS in any way. His previous reports signify a violent, hateful person. This siege was an extension on his violence – none of them served any divine purpose but intrinsic hate.

He wanted an ISIS flag because it was the closest banner he could sit under. It was a convenient, close branch to hold onto to somehow 'verify' his actions. And, like all modern acts like this, ISIS was a way to get the media on board: all of a sudden a mental case attempting to kill people for no actual end motive is suddenly a terror attack. But of course, that's the narrative people love to hear and the narrative the government can hijack.

I said this pages ago. Because I know everything.

And he's right on about big Tony and his jingoism (which is probably the thing Mid Australia love about the guy). He has hijacked a totally irrelevant mental case's actions as justification for a preservation of 'Australia:' war, immigration, surveillance being the tools he'll use to say are protecting us. Of course every single able government will do these things anyway and that's an adult truth.

What I find amazing, though, is people will neglect to accept media hyperbole and agenda if it comes from this forum (because the posters who express it are dislikable – or they're easy to gang up on when some MOR, indifferent, baselessly-smug poster will belittle them to boost their own lives [lol on a forum] via likes). But as soon as a guy like Rusty Brand says it, the ideas are somehow verified? This isn't someone writing a peer-reviewed paper, this is an entertainer, but of course that'll pass and the few posters on here expressing contrarian views will be shut down for being insensitive or something.
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When it comes to pulling Katy Perry, I'll listen to every single word that man has to say. When it comes to formulating National Security policy and legislation, I'll remember that he's a stand up comedian.
 
tandino said:
And he got plenty of that, didn't he.
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Not the way he wanted it though. You could tell he wasn't getting the attention he wanted when he getting pissed off the media wasn't putting any of the stuff he made the hostages do and his silly demands on air.
 

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Herne Hill Hammer said:
Abdul Nacer Benbrika and all his cronies were locked up on remand for 2 1/2 years before trial.

They're cut from the same cloth. Spent years in the country, leeching of the taxpayers and returning the favour with hate towards us.

One thing I will give the legal fraternity credit for, when they come under pressure, there's none better at circling the wagons and fending off the criticism.

They make the rules within the constraints provided to them by the Government and themselves. In that sense, they're no different to politicians and their granting themselves pay rises. They're virtually untouchable.
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One difference. Politicians are answerable to the electorate, and can be voted out.

No one can vote judges out.
 
headache1 said:
When it comes to pulling Katy Perry, I'll listen to every single word that man has to say. When it comes to formulating National Security policy and legislation, I'll remember that he's a stand up comedian.
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Exactly, I wouldnt listen to Russell Brand when it comes security or government issues. I don't really care what he has to say.
 
Illinois Nazi said:
The people who just want any excuse to criticise Abbott for anything he ever does are missing the mark here. There is no way on earth that he or any other PM would or should talk to a terrorist in that situation.
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So, maybe many here might start backing Abbott now, and his poll ratings may go up.

I also think that, in light of this tragedy, maybe many people might wake up and see that their petty complaints about the Budget are pretty trivial by comparison.
 
JackNah_8 said:
Exactly, I wouldnt listen to Russell Brand when it comes security or government issues. I don't really care what he has to say.
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why should we listen to Abbott about global warming, he's just a lawyer. The most dishonest profession their is. forgetting the fact we can't trust lawyers, why should we listen to him about global warming? He has no qualifications.
 
GTOA said:
So, maybe many here might start backing Abbott now, and his poll ratings may go up.

I also think that, in light of this tragedy, maybe many people might wake up and see that their petty complaints about the Budget are pretty trivial by comparison.
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little graham said:
why should we listen to Abbott about global warming, he's just a lawyer. The most dishonest profession their is. forgetting the fact we can't trust lawyers, why should we listen to him about global warming? He has no qualifications.
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Why should we listen to Russell Brand about politics, when he is merely a stand-up comedian.
 
little graham said:
why should we listen to Abbott about global warming, he's just a lawyer. The most dishonest profession their is. forgetting the fact we can't trust lawyers, why should we listen to him about global warming? He has no qualifications.
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There are people who listen to Abbott on global warming?
 
Roos4eva said:
If Russell Brand's opinion is meaningless because he's a comedian, then does that mean we should all stop posting on this topic because we're all merely bigfooty posters?
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No need to stop posting, just don't have an expectation that the rest of the world should take any notice.
 

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Roos4eva said:
If Russell Brand's opinion is meaningless because he's a comedian, then does that mean we should all stop posting on this topic because we're all merely bigfooty posters?
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Russell Brand's opinion isn't meaningless because he's a comedian, it's just that I doubt he moonlights as a counter-terrorism and national security policy expert when he's away from his life as a famous comedian. On the other hand, we don't know what BigFooty posters do away from this site. Except for Kaiserchief, who is obviously a member of a highly secretive covert ops team, who are mightily pissed that they didn't get the call up.
 
Gibbsy said:
People can have other interests/careers and be taken seriously
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I guess this is the point I was trying to make.

Fair enough if you don't agree with what he has to say, but don't just dismiss it because he's a 'comedian'.
 
Roos4eva said:
I guess this is the point I was trying to make.

Fair enough if you don't agree with what he has to say, but don't just dismiss it because he's a 'comedian'.
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I'm dismissing him because the few years of tertiary education I've had on the subject he's talking about incline me to do so.
 
headache1 said:
I'm dismissing him because the few years of tertiary education I've had on the subject he's talking about incline me to do so.
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That's fine, and fwiw, I agree that Abbott, the armed forces and the media absolutely did the right thing by not giving into the gunman's demands (something that Brand was critical of), but his comments re the overall media coverage were spot on imo, which is why I don't think merely dismissing his opinion because he's a 'comedian' is necessary (like some people have insinuated).
 
Silent Alarm said:
all of a sudden a mental case attempting to kill people for no actual end motive is suddenly a terror attack.
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Uh huh. It does seem to me that one particular segment of the world's population must be quite prone to mental illness then. A lot of these incidents have something in common. I can't quite put my finger on it. Can't be geographical factors, because it tends to happen worldwide. Can you spot any common factors Mr. Silent Alarm? Or, like Russell Brand, do you think these are all random unrelated incidents?
 
CyrilDaSquirrel said:
Uh huh. It does seem to me that one particular segment of the world's population must be quite prone to mental illness then. A lot of these incidents have something in common. I can't quite put my finger on it. Can't be geographical factors, because it tends to happen worldwide. Can you spot any common factors Mr. Silent Alarm? Or, like Russell Brand, do you think these are all random unrelated incidents?
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Mental case who plays violet video games :rolleyes:
 

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