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I am going to have cancel my conspiracy theory posted on page 313 post number #7,825.

In that post I said - Andrew Wilkie is married to ( ex Major General) Simone Wilkie who has been an AFL Commissioner since 2015. Might have been an interesting conversation between them the last few days - I have been thinking there is no way that Andrew wouldn't have discussed this with Simone, and no way Simone wouldn't have set him straight about how the AFL's illicit drug policy works.

Cancel That! Andrew was married to Simone between 1991 and 2003. They are both ex military.

I don't know how reasonable their relationship is, but provided its ok, you would have thought an ex military intelligence officer, his last job before entering politics, was at the Office of National Assessments as an intelligence analyst, would have spoken to his ex wife to find out how the AFL illicit drugs policy actually works.
 
Reckon 70% of AFL footballers would take or have taken recreational drugs. No one should be surprised and it was only a matter of time before it came out
 
Only an "incredibly small number" of AFL players have been protected by secret drug tests in the past decade, the head of the AFL Players Association says.

AFLPA chief executive Paul Marsh says speculation 100 players have been granted some immunity by club doctors over drug test results is guesswork. Marsh stressed only the AFL would know the true figures but in his experience the number of players involved in such cases was minute. "It feels like the commentary around this is that it's happening every week," Marsh told SEN Radio on Thursday.
"I've been doing this job for nearly 10 years and there would be less than a handful of players that this has been an example for. (An) incredibly small number. "Nowhere near the level as perhaps ... this story is suggesting."
Why would the AFL know the numbers if it is kept confidential between doctor and patient?
 

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There is plenty, and plenty have mixed illicit drugs with prescription drugs and seen their demise, but there are plenty that have lived a good, long life.

Bottom line, its not all doom and gloom, otherwise people wouldn't try them.

It’s Russian roulette with the odds against you.

Yes, you can win; but I personally prefer not to try. I think there are better ways to enjoy life.
 
I am going to have cancel my conspiracy theory posted on page 313 post number #7,825.

In that post I said - Andrew Wilkie is married to ( ex Major General) Simone Wilkie who has been an AFL Commissioner since 2015. Might have been an interesting conversation between them the last few days - I have been thinking there is no way that Andrew wouldn't have discussed this with Simone, and no way Simone wouldn't have set him straight about how the AFL's illicit drug policy works.

Cancel That! Andrew was married to Simone between 1991 and 2003. They are both ex military.

I don't know how reasonable their relationship is, but provided its ok, you would have thought an ex military intelligence officer, his last job before entering politics, was at the Office of National Assessments as an intelligence analyst, would have spoken to his ex wife to find out how the AFL illicit drugs policy actually works.
but SimoneexwifeW may have requested AW to use parliamentary privilege to break it , that is how the real world works

one may like to have incontrovertible evidence , but world operates in the fissures and seams so to block yourself off from that is a fools game
 
McGuire's take on what the AFL will change and announce by June this year



and THAT^ may have been the purpose of a .p.u.t.a.t.i.v.e. Andrew Wilkie mp leak

It was nothing of the sort , it has been engendered to garner support for drug code changes

ferball. @maddaddam's opinions
 
and THAT^ may have been the purpose of a .p.u.t.a.t.i.v.e. Andrew Wilkie mp leak

It was nothing of the sort , it has been engendered to garner support for drug code changes

ferball. @maddaddam's opinions
Wilkie gets significant FaceTime on nightly News /newstime /primetime media

invaluable for an independent

why you will see Jacqui Lambie and Pauline Hansen and Clive Palmer do outrageous performances as media spectacle

see: DJT
 
Chip Le Grand who wrote a book about the Essendon Drugs scandal, wrote a long article in Sunday's Age about Wilkie's allegations but spoke directly to the Melbourne Doctor Zeeshan Arainw who accuses Wilkie of effectively grandstanding.

It sounds like the good doctor was trying to document that Melbourne had too many cases of illicit drug taking, a cultural problem, rather than dodgy secretive procedures. He backs the AFL illicit drugs policy 100%.

Looks like Dr Arainw had his agenda and Wilkie had his to make the biggest splash possible. It also might have been a proud Tasmanian sticking it up the AFL for demanding a $700+m stadium with a roof or you wont get a Tassie team.




Zeeshan Arain, the former Melbourne club doctor who ignited the latest drugs scandal to engulf the AFL, never intended to blow up the league’s illicit drugs policy or the use of “off-the-books” tests to stop players running foul of anti-doping rules.

Arain says the national competition’s approach towards illicit drugs is one of the better things the AFL has done.

When Arain provided a statement to independent MP Andrew Wilkie to ventilate under parliamentary privilege, his target was a damaging culture he observed at the AFL club he served for eight years as chief medico and the impact this had on players under his care.

“I wasn’t attacking the illicit drugs policy,” Arain tells this masthead. “I wanted to expose cultural problems, not off-the-books testing.

“My comments about the testing were just factual. I wasn’t revealing a scandal. The illicit drugs policy is probably one of the better things the AFL does
. If this becomes a strict name and shame policy and I have contributed to that, I will feel really remorseful for the players.

“I don’t want to be seen as a hero whistleblower, I just want to be someone who advocates for the mental and physical wellbeing of players in a high-pressure industry.”

How then did Arain’s observations about Melbourne – many of them fiercely contested by Demons senior coach Simon Goodwin and publicly dismissed by club chief executive Gary Pert – form the basis of what Wilkie denounced in parliament as a systemic failure by the AFL to prevent the use of prohibited drugs and a multimillion dollar fraud on taxpayers? It is a complicated story but worth telling to explain a drugs issue which is serious, but not the sinister cover-up alleged by Wilkie.

Arain’s statement, seen by this masthead
, documents a disturbingly high prevalence of illicit drug use among players at the Melbourne Football Club where he was responsible for managing the health and welfare of players who admitted to substance use.

Arain estimates that roughly one third of the playing group never touched drugs, a third occasionally used and the rest were frequent users of potentially harmful drugs which, if detected on match day, can attract career-ending penalties under the World Anti-Doping Code. This last group included players with drug dependencies and others who used drugs to manage mental health issues or cope with the extreme pressures of playing at the top level.

[ To me this is the real story behind Wilkie's allegations in parliament is as follows not the secret tests BS,
1) that 1/3rd of Melbourne players are frequent users, not the stock standard AFL spin that only a handful of players across the league or that the 1% to 2% that used to show up when the AFL published its stats - the last lot was for 2013 in the 2014 AFL annual report, before Gilligan wanted drugs off the front page thanks to Essendon drugs fallout, and by not publishing stats, they can get away with saying its only a small number when we know there are plenty of self reporting case, and

2) that the AFL forcing players to miss games so they wouldn't test positive to a stimulant like cocaine, Meth, MDMA etc on game day, not for health reasons, but for wealth reasons. The stimulant effect WADA doesn't want from cocaine and other drugs to have in game day washs out within 24 hours, but the metabolites like benzoylecgonine for cocaine, stays in a person system for upto a week ]


This masthead does not know about which players it is alleged fall into the respective categories, and therefore does not suggest that any particular player takes illicit drugs. Arain’s concerns about drug use were not limited to players but extended to club staff, including senior coach Simon Goodwin. The allegation against Goodwin, which the doctor based on concerns he says were raised with him by an unnamed player and club staff member and his own observations about the coach’s behaviour, is denied by Goodwin and dismissed by Pert, who last year wrote to Melbourne members saying he investigated the claims and found them to be “completely without basis or truth”.

[Anyone who knows anything, knows Goodwin's background on this issue. Ex Melbourne prez Glen Bartlett was kicked out of the job in April 2021 just weeks after he was endorsed as chairman, because he wanted to go after Goodwin and other staff members. Its why he gave Wilkie stuff and why he is suing Melbourne FC - well the new Prez Kate Roffey and 3 other directors and is now considering suing Gawn, Goodwin and Pert over what they said in October about Bartlett.]

This masthead has not independently investigated Arain’s allegations about Goodwin, and has therefore not spoken to anyone who has confirmed the allegations. Goodwin and Arain had an increasingly strained working relationship. This masthead is not saying the allegations are true, only that they were raised by Arain when he left the club and more recently in the statement he provided to Wilkie. Goodwin has previously addressed the allegations at length, telling SEN Radio last October: “It has been documented over and over and over again in the public, and it’s been really hard for myself, my family and enough is enough. I don’t use illicit drugs and I never will.”

Arain left Melbourne in October 2020, a year before the club won its drought-breaking premiership. His departure was acrimonious and abrupt, and announced to him shortly after he raised concerns about the coach’s approach towards him and players under his care. This culminated in a bullying and unfair dismissal claim which was settled for a modest, undisclosed sum.

In settling Arain’s complaint, then club president Glen Bartlett listened to what the doctor had to say about the club, its culture and his allegations about Goodwin’s drug use. The allegations were taken seriously by Bartlett, who raised them with AFL chairman Richard Goyder and chief Gillon McLachlan shortly before Bartlett was ousted by his fellow directors for reasons that three years later, remain bitterly disputed.

Bartlett has since returned from Melbourne to his hometown of Perth, where he splits his time between running his workplace law practice and a defamation case he is pursuing in the Federal Court against current president Kate Roffey and other club directors. If the case ever reaches trial, it will provide enough linament-scented drama to rival David Williamson’s The Club.

This is where Wilkie’s sharp-eyed political adviser, Rohan Wenn, an investigative journalist and former chief of staff to Nick Xenophon, stepped in. About six months ago, Wenn separately approached Arain and Bartlett to find out what story they had to tell. It took both men many months of convincing to agree to tell Wilkie their stories. Arain now regrets his part in it. Bartlett declined to comment. Pert did not return calls from this masthead.

Arain, frustrated that the major parties twice blocked Wilkie’s attempt to table his statement, is dismayed at how his principal motivation – to advocate for the welfare of players he treated at Melbourne, has been lost in the maelstrom about the AFL’s illicit drugs code.

Wilkie
, a former intelligence officer who quit his job with the Office of National Assessments over Australia’s decision to go to war in Iraq after the 9/11 terror attacks, has dedicated much of his parliamentary career to uncovering malfeasance in corporate and public office. He is also no friend of the AFL, in part due to its reliance on gambling revenue and more recently the Hobart stadium deal it imposed on the Tasmanian state government as the price of entry for a team for the state. In May last year Wilkie told parliament: “Sure, like many Tasmanians, I’m delighted by the news that Tasmania will finally get an AFL team, but the AFL’s condition that we must build another stadium first is, quite frankly, extortion befitting a top Melbourne mobster.”

As an intriguing aside, Wilkie’s ex-wife, Major General Simone Wilkie, is a long-serving AFL commissioner. When approached for comment on this story, Andrew Wilkie was not available for interview. [I mentioned this last week but Chip was the first person I have read or heard link the 2.]

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The most contentious part of Arain’s statement is where he explains the rare scenario of a player presenting to him after taking drugs in the week before a game. “If a player came to me and said they’d used drugs over the week, I gave them three options. I would say they could go and tell the coach that they couldn’t play because of the risk of still having something in their system. The second option was to fake an illness or injury. Or the third, and my least preferred method, was to organise some independent, private testing to ensure things are out of their system before the game.”

Arain’s description of these last two options – feigning injury or illness – or resorting to “off the books testing” under a program facilitated by the AFL’s former chief medical officer Peter Harcourt, has put the illicit drug code squarely in the sights of Sports Integrity Australia (SIA), the agency responsible for administering and upholding the WADA code in Australia. Wilkie on Friday provided the material he has gathered to SIA, at the agency’s request.

Liberal senator Richard Colbeck, a former sports minister who as part of his portfolio responsibilities served on the executive committee of WADA, says the AFL’s illicit drugs policy is clearly in breach of anti-doping rules. “The drug policy is going to have to change,” Colbeck tells this masthead. “If it doesn’t I think there will be real difficulties for the AFL. Taking a urine test and finding an excuse not to play on game day, that is evasion of possible testing in-competition. There is no way known that WADA, SIA or anyone can allow that to continue. It is clearly in breach of the WADA code and WADA will not stand for that.”

......

If SIA or WADA wants to force significant change, it will need to take the policy out of AFL hands. Arain, for one, dearly hopes that doesn’t happen.


From page 52 of 2014 AFL Annual report ( published March 2015), the last year the AFL issued stats on their illicit drugs process. Demetriou has said he doesn't know why the AFL stopped publishing the stats. The main reason was a) this policy was his baby and b) Gilligan took over in April 2014 and had to deal with the Essendon drug scandal, so he didn't want to have deal with the illicit drug policy, especially if the numbers blew out.


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"Ex player" rules out Oliver.

And Smith was 19 when Cat B rookie listed, not "drafted at age 18".

So, :shrug:
Andrew Wilkie and AFL facts aren't always in-simpatico.
 
Joel Smith's in game cocaine positive suspension has finally been handed down.

Not sure how this is all a bit more than 4 years, ie 4 years and 3 months is official time he is banned.

Smith, like most cocaine positives that have been recorded in sport, didn't actually test positive to cocaine, as it usually passes thru the body's system within 24 hours, but tested positive to its metabolite, Benzoylecgonine.

Wendell Sailor got done by the metabolite, Benzoylecgonine in 2006. He admitted he took coke on a Wednesday night in South Africa and then a few days later still in South Africa played a Super Rugby game on a Saturday night and had a post game urine test, that was positive to Benzoylecgonine. The cocaine itself was out of his system, no stimulant PED benefit would have lasted past Thursday, but bad luck under WADA code and despite his appeal he got the automatic 2 years, as back then the first offence was 2 years, not 4 years like was introduced in 2015.

He also gets done for trafficking because the WADA code is different to normal law. Trafficking in drugs under normal law means

While drug importation offences tend to dominate the serious drug practice of the CDPP (Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions), trafficking offences are also prevalent. A person traffics in a controlled drug if they:
WADA code defines trafficking as simple as giving a PED substance to someone, just like handing an ecstasy tablet to mate at a night club.

Trafficking: Selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering or
distributing (or Possessing for any such purpose) a Prohibited
Substance or Prohibited Method (either physically or by any
electronic or other means) by an Athlete, Athlete Support Person
or any other Person subject to the authority of an Anti-Doping
Organization to any third party; provided, however, this definition
shall not include the actions of bona fide medical personnel
involving a Prohibited Substance Used for genuine and legal
therapeutic purposes or other acceptable justification, and
shall not include actions involving Prohibited Substances
which are not prohibited in Out-of-Competition Testing unless
the circumstances as a whole demonstrate such Prohibited
Substances are not intended for genuine and legal therapeutic
purposes or are intended to enhance sport performance.


The AFL Statement.


The AFL confirms that Joel Smith of the Melbourne Football Club has received a four year and three-month period of ineligibility in connection with five Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs) under the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code.

Smith’s suspension has been agreed by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), Sport Integrity Australia (SIA) and the AFL with Joel Smith.

Under the terms of the suspension, Smith is prohibited from participating in any sports that have adopted a World Anti-Doping Code compliant anti-doping policy until 9 January 2028, although he may return to training from November 2027.

In effect, this outcome means that Smith is prohibited from playing at any level of Australian Football until early 2028.

The Anti-Doping Rule Violations that the suspension relates to are as follows:
  • Presence of Cocaine and its metabolite, Benzoylecgonine detected in a sample provided by Mr Smith during an In-Competition doping control test on 20 August 2023, following a match between Melbourne and Hawthorn at the MCG;
  • Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of Cocaine on and/or between 28 July 2022 and 30 July 2022;
  • Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of Cocaine on and/or between 5 September 2022 and 10 September 2022;
  • Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of Cocaine on and/or between 12 April 2020 and 7 September 2020; and
  • Possession of Cocaine on 9 September 2022.
Under strict confidentiality provisions imposed by the World Anti-Doping Code and the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code, the AFL and other parties were unable to make any public comment in relation to this matter until today, noting that time runs on the period of ineligibility from the date that Smith’s provisional suspension was imposed on 9 October 2023.

AFL CEO Andrew Dillon welcomed the outcome by which a very substantial suspension has been imposed on Smith and the matter has effectively concluded after a lengthy investigation and consideration.

“The outcome in this matter, in which Joel Smith has been suspended for more than four years, reflects the seriousness with which the AFL treats breaches of the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code and is a salutary lesson for any player using illicit substances that are prohibited under the WADA Code”, Mr Dillon said.

“The use of performance enhancing substances is strictly prohibited in Australian Football and the AFL will continue to work with Sport Integrity Australia to identify and prosecute the use of such substances In-Competition and other conduct prohibited by the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code”.

“The AFL does not in any way condone the use of illicit drugs. If a player chooses to use illicit drugs, the potential consequences are substantial, including risks to health and safety and of losing the privilege of playing professional football, as has occurred here.”

This is the AFL Media story about it repeating most of the above.

 

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