How Did We Do In Trade Week

[counterparts24]

I do not understand how this trade week could be seen as a 'bad result' for us we went in and got exactly what we needed.

A pick downgrade for a ready made QLD based player in Zorko is a great result I believe that he will make an immediate impact for us and if we were willing to use such a high pick to acquire him in a rebuilding phase then clearly they value him highly.

Lisle for pick 29 I can see people viewing it as dubious, but Hawthorn were not overly keen on losing him they traded him for the best interests of his career. Much the same as they did with McGlynn and Kennedy who were not permanent fixtures at the Hawks and sought opportunities elsewhere and look how they have worked out.

Hudson we paid nothing for and essentially the pick 70 we used to acquire him as extra depth was replaced with the Power trade with pick 69, we could of easily gotten nothing for power.

We also improved our draft position with acquiring pick 12 for Clark which put us in a good position in what is a compromised draft and we if we had dealt with Freo we would have gotten less for him.

So I think it is a great result

 

[counterparts24]

IMO this and Lisle's trades stand quite comfortably next to the two trades you mentioned. We gave far too much considering the time and circumstance of the players and their clubs.

Please remember the reaction of people here when McGuane was rumored to be our target. My fear is that we have recruited a younger version of McGuane. Yes, he is a competitor, yes he can take a contested grab but totally unsuited for modern day footy where closing speed and foot skill efficiency and decision making is a MUST if we are to challenge for a premiership. Recruiting average rejects from other clubs and paying well over their value to hold spots on the list only gets you to be an average position. I am sorry but I demand and expect more from our list managers and our football department. Average will not do. We lived with bellow average for the past six years it is time the blow torch was put on the people that are charged to run our club.

Keep in mind Lisle is only 21 and still has a lot of development left in him this season was only the first to go by where Lisle played senior games. He was being used as a forward in the VFL and that is how the Hawks percieved him not until late in the season did they trial him in defence were he looked more at home. By that stage they had already settled there back 6 for the finals so with Gibson, Birchall and Schoenmakers as their talls.

 

[Swanny10]

Where are some of these so called Lions supporters from? Seems like they'd be better suited to the Collingwood board.

Regarding Zorko - simple equation. Would you have been happy to use pick 34 on him? Personally I would and think it's great we were able to get him for this as well as essentially upgrading pick 52 to 47.

For those of you who say he was not worth this pick, perhaps hold your tongue until the end of next season.

 

[whatboutbob]

The question is; Was pick 34 GIVEN to Gold Coast as a sweetener under the understanding that they stay away from Tippett next year when he comes out of contract and can simply walk to Brisbane for a nothing deal?

If YES, than everything is shiny and rosy in and there is gold at the end of the rainbow.
If NO, than there are some very serious issues of performance in our list management (mismanagement) department to address.

Irel, you cannot honestly expect LI to answer this question. Even if it were the case, in what circumstances do you think LI could answer 'YES'? You're clearly disappointed with trade week - comment away. But don't hold your breath waiting for answers to unrealistic questions of LI.

 

[youtwo]

If NO, than there are some very serious issues of performance in our list management (mismanagement) department to address

I am sorry to say but a genuine performance assessment of this trade period barely passes the average mark. I expected more from Kerr.

Irel - I look forward to seeing you bob up as a list manager of an AFL club very shortly with the extraordinary knowledge and insights you have into the list management process at the Lions.

 

[Hollow Knight]

IMO this trade period Kerr has not performed as well as expected. The cold hard facts. Simple.

Opinion or fact? Which is it?

 

[irel]

Opinion or fact? Which is it?

OK I grant you it is only a personal opinion.
Perhaps my expectations are higher than others on this board.
I will leave it at that for fear of further Mod. interjections.

 

[Roylion]

I thought the Lions had a good trade week...

Mitch Clark: I personally think he was worth 12 plus a player, but given that he was out of contract, Pick 12 in the end was a good result. Certainly much better than Pick 16 and maybe something else that Fremantle were going to give. In the end we probably got as much as we were going to.

Jordan Lisle: In my view a good result, considering the Lions have a shortage of big key Position players. Lisle is young (21), by all reports a very good contested mark, reads the play well and more importantly is a competitor. I thought Pick 29-34 was about right. He played five senior games and was emergency 12 times for the Hawks (a top four team), including for two finals. That suggests to me that he wasn't far from breaking into a very good Hawks team on a regular basis. And we've finally got back the Lachie Henderson-type player we never should have given up in the Fevola trade.

Dayne Zorko: Tend to agree with The Brown Dog. If we were going to take Zorko with Pick #34 anyway in the ND, then swapping Pick 34 and a pick we weren't going to use (#52) in return for #47 seems to be a good result. We now have Zorko and still have that fourth pick in the third round and trumped any other club that was planning to take him. The other thing I like about this trade, is that in the short term Zorko could probably fill that small forward role that we badly need. There's Devon Smith in the ND that could probably fulfil the same role, but Zorko has more development and is likely to be less expensive in terms of the draft pick we will have to use in getting him.

Ben Hudson: I can see the Lions' thinking behind this, especially if they plan to take a ruckman / forward in the draft (i.e Todd Elton at 12 for example) and plan to make another big play for Kurt Tippett at the end of 2012. If it all comes to fruition that means our ruck stocks from 2013 onwards may well be Leuenberger and Elton with Tippett as the occasional back-up ruckman. No room for Hudson in those years. Hudson came for virtually nothing as well, whereas another ruckman such as Renouf would have cost a second or third rounder.

Luke Power: Despite being amongst my favorite players, being a Fitzroy supporter and all, I would have preferred to safeguard the club from further poaching by GWS. Considering Luke had "retired", and could have taken up a coaching position at GWS, irrespective of what the Lions did, I personally would have left him for the PSD.

 

[Old Den]

I think that we did well at the trades.

Clark...we got lucky...if Melbourne had not turned into an early season Santa Claus we probably would have got 16 at best the way Freo were playing it...would have been a most unsatisfactory outcome...even if they did agree to both picks,that is not as good as what we got...some think we should have held out for more...well maybe,but a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Had we accepted 20 or even 16 from Freo,I would have been in favour of using that pick to get the best experienced tall available that was deemed worthy of it.

Instead,we tried for Tippett with 12 and in the end we have the option of trying for a classy tall for the future with it,if we think that is appropriate.

With Lisle,I will admit we are taking a gamble here...IMO we had to have a tall in place of Clark in 2012 (I have posted that more than once already)...the slow,can't kick,turning circle of the Titanic knocks are on him but so are some encouraging comments and our recruiters,having assessed the options, have plumped for him... let's see how he turns out in our environment and then we can judge whether using 29 was a plus or minus.

Overall we still have a bevy of talls with little senior experience and how they perform will have a big bearing on where we finish on the ladder in the 2012 season.

Zorko...I like adding him to our list with pick 34 as I see a tough,skilled mid/forward that we have seen develop under our noses that gives us some leeway as we need to and will address our needs in talls in the draft...the price?IMO we paid what we had to with what we had available to get him.

Hudson...When we woke up yesterday morning we had one AFL senior standard ruckman on our list...adding an experienced,quality ruckman,albeit nearing the end of his ability to play on,who will be content if need be to play all of 2012 in the NEAFL at the cost of a late draft pick is OK with me.

Power...of course we did the right thing just like Port did with their two old stalwarts...GWS would have been crazy to relent on giving up their options for next year when recruiting these players and wouldn't have.

I'm giving it a 7 out of 10.

 

[whatboutbob]

Here's the club's highlights package of the new recruits.

Definitely a highlights package. Had to giggle that it is showing all of Lisle's good grabs from his debut game, and none of the resultant shanks at goal, while most of Hudson's best work seems to have coincidentally been against Mitch Clark.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I think it's quite obvious we have done well in this trade week, but I understand that many supporters might be disappointed due to all the talk about getting Tippett. Many probably got their hopes up that we'd get him, so are feeling a bit flat with 3 good, but not superstar, recruits.

Hopefully after the performances of Lisle, Hudson and Zorko in season 2012, everyone will come around.

 

[lionbear]

Pretty happy, although I don't understand the Hudson trade, unless he is going to be ruck coach in 2013.

With Clark, may pay off for Melbourne, but I am glad the club never tried to negotiate to keep him, way over priced for what he has achieved.

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

There's no pleasing some people. We kicked arse. Would've been nice to have a crack at pinching Petterd as part of the Clark trade, but surely people understand the increased value of pick #12 this year vs. a year with no start up club owning the draft.

 

[Dom PC]

To be honest I don't get why we couldn't have just traded pick 30 or 34 for Lilse. That was the only thing that I didn't like. Especially since Hawks on traded it anyway. But I'm happy with trade week

I like Zorko He is a shorty like me (I'm only 176cm... ok ok ok I'm 175cm)

Lions insider if I'm lucky enough for you to be reading my post can you tell me why Rhy Stanley wasn't a target. Mobile and quick 200cm ruckman with 3 years in the system. Could have got him with pick 30 easliy...

 

[ZoBlitz]

Here's the club's highlights package of the new recruits.

Definitely a highlights package. Had to giggle that it is showing all of Lisle's good grabs from his debut game, and none of the resultant shanks at goal, while most of Hudson's best work seems to have coincidentally been against Mitch Clark.

They've done well with that. I wonder if they purposely looked for footage of Hudson beating Mitch .

 

[chopperduck]

To be honest I don't get why we couldn't have just traded pick 30 or 34 for Lilse. That was the only thing that I didn't like. Especially since Hawks on traded it anyway. But I'm happy with trade week

I think you answered your own question. More than likely the Hawks wanted 29 because they needed to on trade it. I had word the day before that they were just working out whether it would be pick 29 or 30, obviously the Hawks wanted 29.

Lions insider if I'm lucky enough for you to be reading my post can you tell me why Rhy Stanley wasn't a target. Mobile and quick 200cm ruckman with 3 years in the system. Could have got him with pick 30 easliy...

I'm not LI, but i will say this, people need to remember that a trade involves the player as well. Who says we didn't look at other rucks? The point is the player woudl want to come play for us as well as the orginal club willing to trade them. Most rucks around his age are going to move clubs for 1 reason, and thats a better deal and more game time. He would not have got this in Brisbane. I don't see how we are better off paying more money to have a 21 or 22 year old run around for the Lions reserves than we do paying less to have a 32 year old run around for the Lions reserves. Unless Bergs goes down with in injury, they will never play a game anyway.

We will be looking for a Forward that can pinch hit in the ruck to help Bergs on game day, and a young ruck prospect to start developing for 5 years or so down the track.

 

[Lions_Insider]

Lions insider if I'm lucky enough for you to be reading my post can you tell me why Rhy Stanley wasn't a target. Mobile and quick 200cm ruckman with 3 years in the system. Could have got him with pick 30 easliy...

Hi Dom, sorry but I can't help you with that one. Rhys might not have been on the trade table, been seeking a first-ruck opportunity, or quite simply, we might not have rated him. I don't know the answer.

Rob Kerr's Trade Week overview will be getting posted on our website shortly (hopefully within the hour) and I can tell you it's a great read.

In fact, he has drafted up nine pages of explanation surrounding the 'wheelings and dealings' that went on in what proved to be a hectic week. It has just taken a little longer than expected to put together.

But I am happy to share exlusively to you guys one line that Rob has said regarding the choice of Ben Hudson as a senior ruckman:

"The reality is that Ben out-performed each of the other available ruckmen over the course of the season."

Stay tuned to lions.com.au tonight for the full transcript!

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Hi Dom, sorry but I can't help you with that one. Rhys might not have been on the trade table, been seeking a first-ruck opportunity, or quite simply, we might not have rated him. I don't know the answer.

Rob Kerr's Trade Week overview will be getting posted on our website shortly (hopefully within the hour) and I can tell you it's a great read.

In fact, he has drafted up nine pages of explanation surrounding the 'wheelings and dealings' that went on in what proved to be a hectic week. It has just taken a little longer than expected to put together.

But I am happy to share exlusively to you guys one line that Rob has said regarding the choice of Ben Hudson as a senior ruckman:

"The reality is that Ben out-performed each of the other available ruckmen over the course of the season."

Stay tuned to lions.com.au tonight for the full transcript!

Can't wait to read it! Hope there's something on what went on with the Tippett negotiations, it seemed like there was a lot going on there that hasn't been publicly stated.

He has been incredible this week, though, Kerr. Deserves some sort of award. Might grab a photo and a signature if I see him

 

[chopperduck]

Hi Dom, sorry but I can't help you with that one. Rhys might not have been on the trade table, been seeking a first-ruck opportunity, or quite simply, we might not have rated him. I don't know the answer.

Rob Kerr's Trade Week overview will be getting posted on our website shortly (hopefully within the hour) and I can tell you it's a great read.

In fact, he has drafted up nine pages of explanation surrounding the 'wheelings and dealings' that went on in what proved to be a hectic week. It has just taken a little longer than expected to put together.

But I am happy to share exlusively to you guys one line that Rob has said regarding the choice of Ben Hudson as a senior ruckman:

"The reality is that Ben out-performed each of the other available ruckmen over the course of the season."

Stay tuned to lions.com.au tonight for the full transcript!

A very valid point that i had not considered. And yet another reason why he is a good fit.

 

[Lions_Insider]

Can't wait to read it! Hope there's something on what went on with the Tippett negotiations, it seemed like there was a lot going on there that hasn't been publicly stated.

Thanks PattyK - I've certainly passed on all your guys' glowing endorsements onto Rob.

I can also confirm that he doesn't shy away from details surrounding the Kurt Tippett trade in the Trade Week summary.

 

[cotter101]

Thanks PattyK - I've certainly passed on all your guys' glowing endorsements onto Rob.

I can also confirm that he doesn't shy away from details surrounding the Kurt Tippett trade in the Trade Week summary.

So glad we have you on here, Thanks a lot

 

[PattyKwasagun]

So glad we have you on here, Thanks a lot

Completely agree, quite a few of the other clubs are jealous of it. It's brilliant.

 

[Dom PC]

Thanks for the response Lions Insider

Interested in hearing how Adeliade treated Kerr in terms of a Tippett deal considering there is a chance they will be dealing with each other next trade week

 

[Cousin Jed]

In fact, he has drafted up nine pages of explanation surrounding the 'wheelings and dealings' that went on in what proved to be a hectic week. It has just taken a little longer than expected to put together.

Hand cramp?

Will be interested in the Tippett comments. The Crows are adamant he wasn't even on the trade table....

 

[Hollow Knight]

The Crows are adamant he wasn't even on the trade table....

That's not too surprising that they'd say that. The disturbing part is that some Crows posters actually believe it.