How high can Carlton go in '08?

[Amers]

Personally I believe that we can probably finnish 7-8th and just sneak into the finals. I would then like to see us make the 2nd week of the finals.

Many people seem to forget that we have been tanking (something I'm not proud of), now that we have significantly improved our midfield, our defence can only get better, and our forwards have already shown that they can score goals.

So now when we actually try to win some games, how well do you think Carlton will go in '08?

PS: Please be realistic, I will review @ the end of the season!!!

 

[SS_Fury]

hahahahah 7th?

ill give you 12th at very best

 

[Maestro15]

7-9th at best.

 

[PUSSIES_07_FLAG]

Haha, talking finals.

Oh my.. how the little blue hearts are going to be shattered. Imagine if Judd struggles, Fev goes off the rails as per-usual, Kruzur rightly in the 2nds... Ackland and Cloke holding the ruck stocks.

What will Carlton fans do?

 

[Man City Blues!]

Haha, talking finals.

Oh my.. how the little blue hearts are going to be shattered. Imagine if Judd struggles, Fev goes off the rails as per-usual, Kruzur rightly in the 2nds... Ackland and Cloke holding the ruck stocks.

What will Carlton fans do?

TANK!

 

[cfc4life]

Haha, talking finals.

Oh my.. how the little blue hearts are going to be shattered. Imagine if Judd struggles, Fev goes off the rails as per-usual, Kruzur rightly in the 2nds... Ackland and Cloke holding the ruck stocks.

What will Carlton fans do?

geez this sounds similar to geelong in 06?

 

[rusdid24]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
It just defies belief....

10-12 at best.

 

[Badabing]

10 - 12. If we sneak into the 8 I'll be over the moon but not likely. Another development year and hopefully discover a decent defender or two and make a better fist of it in 09.

 

[Kruze]

Top 4! (4th..possibly 3rd with a good injury run)

Hey, If Nth were good enough to finish 4th in '07 with their list, then we're certainly good enough to finish top 4 in '08 with ours.

Bookmark it doubters. You'll see.

PS
WCE, Sydney & Collingwood will slide in 08 and Nth, Hawks and Port will disapoint and not replicate after efforts of this year, unfortunately.

Every year see's a couple of unexpected teams climb much higher than anyone could realistically expect based on form from the previous season. In '08 Brissie and Carlton will be those 2 teams.

 

[Amers]

Haha, talking finals.

Oh my.. how the little blue hearts are going to be shattered. Imagine if Judd struggles, Fev goes off the rails as per-usual, Kruzur rightly in the 2nds... Ackland and Cloke holding the ruck stocks.

What will Carlton fans do?

There's a lot of if's there P07F. How about trying some of these if's then. Judd - Brownlow, Fev - 100 Goals, Aisake & Hampson - next gun ruck duo in the AFL. I'm not saying they will happen, but IF......

 

[Amers]

Top 4! (4th..possibly 3rd with a good injury run)

Hey, If Nth were good enough to finish 4th in '07 with their list, then we're certainly good enough to finish top 4 in '08 with ours.

Bookmark it doubters. You'll see.

PS
WCE, Sydney & Collingwood will slide in 08 and Nth, Hawks and Port will disapoint and not replicate after efforts of this year, unfortunately.

Every year see's a couple of unexpected teams climb much higher than anyone could realistically expect based on form from the previous season. In '08 Brissie and Carlton will be those 2 teams.

Like your work Kruze! Your even more optimistic than me !!!

 

[memberforever]

probably another wooden spoon

 

[Kruze]

There's a lot of if's there P07F. How about trying some of these if's then. Judd - Brownlow, Fev - 100 Goals, Aisake & Hampson - next gun ruck duo in the AFL. I'm not saying they will happen, but IF......

No reason at all why ALL of those things couldn't or won't happen.

I'm sick of some of the other Carlton supporters here, with their if we finish 11-12th in 08 it will be some sort of achievement for us. Pfft, I'm sure the boys and the coaching staff are aiming higher than that and restoring the winning culture.

 

[Kruze]

Like your work Kruze! Your even more optimistic than me !!!

Cheers Amers

You know, once upon at time (about 6 years ago) just sneaking into 8th spot would have meant utter failure as far as I'm concerned and certainly not anything to hang our hats on. I still feel that way.

I would like to see everyone within the Carlton FC organisation embrace our previous standards for success and not toletate this losing mentality that some seem to have accepted as tolerable in recent years.

 

[btdg]

If all these things happen:

- Judd and Stevens both return to full capacity
- Murphy and Gibbs development is accelerated as much as can be reasonably expected, and become fully-fledged midfield stars
- Fevola is injury (physical and mental) free, and returns to his '06 form
- Fisher plays as well as he did in 07
- Hampson bulks up and becomes a ruck option, Cloke stays in injury-free as a backup and Kreuzer is AFL-ready
- O'Hailpin keeps developing and can hold down a KP defence spot, Jamison bulks up and becomes another KP option
- Walker realises his potential
- Waite finds some consistency
- One or more of Grigg, Hartlett, Anderson, Bower, Bentick, Wiggins takes a big step forward and becomes a decent player
- Ratten proves himself to be a competent coach, and demonstrates that the horrific coaching errors he made late in 2007 (leaving 3rd-gamer Jamison on Matthew Lloyd one-out in the last quarter, playing Saddington on Rocca and not O'Hailpin, failing to rotate the midfield against Port) were in fact deliberate ploys as part of a 'tanking' strategy, and not just evidence he can't coach.

If all that happens, Carlton will be a top 4 team. Likelihood of that occuring? Probably 1 in 1000.

More realistically:
- One of Judd/Stevens misses 8 games or more. The other returns to 75-80% capacity in the short term
- Murphy and Gibbs continue to develop steadily. Murphy rises to 'star' status, Gibbs remains 12 months away
- Fevola has 4 absolutely dominant games, 4 games where he flips out and moons the crowd or abuses the coach, misses 3 games through injury and 2 through suspension, and wins the Coleman medal.
- Fisher drops back to being solid but nothing more
- Hampson is still 2 years away. Cloke plays 5 games, then gets injured because he is undersized. Kreuzer isn't AFL ready. Carlton use a combination of O'Hailpin and Ackland in the ruck again
- O'Hailpin plays in the ruck instead of defence. This leaves Thornton/Jamison outmatched, pinches Waite from attack and the defence again struggles
- Walker confirms the general bigfooty opinion to be correct
- Waite has 3 great games in a row from rounds 6-8, which prompts everyone to announce his 'arrival'. He then goes missing for the next 4 matches, spends 3 weeks in defence, goes missing for another 5 games, then plays a blinder in round 22
- Grigg looks good but does stupid things. The rest get delisted at the end of the year
- Ratten confirms my suspicions and proves that his 0-6 coaching record in 2007 wasn't out of character

If, as I suspect is more likely, the second scenario occurs, Carlton will likely be somewhere between 12th and 16th again.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

No reason at all why ALL of those things couldn't or won't happen.

I'm sick of some of the other Carlton supporters here, with their if we finish 11-12th in 08 it will be some sort of achievement for us. Pfft, I'm sure the boys and the coaching staff are aiming higher than that and restoring the winning culture.

I would just like to ask who is responsible for your losing culture? If you guys had actually tried to win a few games in the last 4 years you may have been able to do a kangas and make the finals this year.

I am not the biggest fan of the Kangas (mainly their fans on BF) BUT I can respect the spirit that they have shown over the last few years to always try and win and especcially this year finishing top 4 with no real quality to speak of.

It is because of teams like the Kangas, Brisbane, Collingwood and Port Adelaide - who have rebuilt without tanking - that people now despise Carlton and hope like hell you lose miserably this year.

And before you point out the Hawks, we had two years of very average performances but only in 1 year did we get a priority pick. We have rebuilt from scratch in 3 years by trading well and not tanking.

 

[Becks]

I reakon 6-8th.

 

[sabre_ac]

16th-10th

No doubt will win the pre season cup though

 

[Kruze]

If, as I suspect is more likely, the second scenario occurs, Carlton will likely be somewhere between 12th and 16th again.

btdg, you are not Carlton material. seriously should consider following the Aints with that attitude.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

il give you 13th. though i wouldnt be surprised you go for another tank so you can build up your defence.

 

[Vitalogy]

16th

 

[Bay Pie]

If all these things happen:

- Judd and Stevens both return to full capacity
- Murphy and Gibbs development is accelerated as much as can be reasonably expected, and become fully-fledged midfield stars
- Fevola is injury (physical and mental) free, and returns to his '06 form
- Fisher plays as well as he did in 07
- Hampson bulks up and becomes a ruck option, Cloke stays in injury-free as a backup and Kreuzer is AFL-ready
- O'Hailpin keeps developing and can hold down a KP defence spot, Jamison bulks up and becomes another KP option
- Walker realises his potential
- Waite finds some consistency
- One or more of Grigg, Hartlett, Anderson, Bower, Bentick, Wiggins takes a big step forward and becomes a decent player
- Ratten proves himself to be a competent coach, and demonstrates that the horrific coaching errors he made late in 2007 (leaving 3rd-gamer Jamison on Matthew Lloyd one-out in the last quarter, playing Saddington on Rocca and not O'Hailpin, failing to rotate the midfield against Port) were in fact deliberate ploys as part of a 'tanking' strategy, and not just evidence he can't coach.

If all that happens, Carlton will be a top 4 team. Likelihood of that occuring? Probably 1 in 1000.

More realistically:
- One of Judd/Stevens misses 8 games or more. The other returns to 75-80% capacity in the short term
- Murphy and Gibbs continue to develop steadily. Murphy rises to 'star' status, Gibbs remains 12 months away
- Fevola has 4 absolutely dominant games, 4 games where he flips out and moons the crowd or abuses the coach, misses 3 games through injury and 2 through suspension, and wins the Coleman medal.
- Fisher drops back to being solid but nothing more
- Hampson is still 2 years away. Cloke plays 5 games, then gets injured because he is undersized. Kreuzer isn't AFL ready. Carlton use a combination of O'Hailpin and Ackland in the ruck again
- O'Hailpin plays in the ruck instead of defence. This leaves Thornton/Jamison outmatched, pinches Waite from attack and the defence again struggles
- Walker confirms the general bigfooty opinion to be correct
- Waite has 3 great games in a row from rounds 6-8, which prompts everyone to announce his 'arrival'. He then goes missing for the next 4 matches, spends 3 weeks in defence, goes missing for another 5 games, then plays a blinder in round 22
- Grigg looks good but does stupid things. The rest get delisted at the end of the year
- Ratten confirms my suspicions and proves that his 0-6 coaching record in 2007 wasn't out of character

If, as I suspect is more likely, the second scenario occurs, Carlton will likely be somewhere between 12th and 16th again.

You should not be allowed to post on Bigfooty especially as a Carlton suppporter. This actually makes sense.

If the Blues have only 4 wins on the board by round 15, I'll bet you lose your last 7.

 

[Kruze]

I would just like to ask who is responsible for your losing culture?

Pagan! He's gone now, so we can concentrate on what we do well again WINNING Premierships!

 

[Heisenberg_]

Pretty cocky for a team on a double digit losing streak.
Bottom 4. Lock it in

 

[Bay Pie]

Pagan! He's gone now, so we can concentrate on what we do well again WINNING Premierships!

Ah hum!!!!

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