How is Cameron White getting a game?

[eddiesmith]

Not the use of selective stats at all simply showing when Whites form slump started in both forms of the game and recording each players last 14 matches. Might be a bit hard but 14 matches each is a fairer comparison.

I suggest you learn basic Maths and basic cricket knowledge as you have owned yourself. A 'DNB' is classified as a playing in a match and is recorded as the result in the innings. Whites last 10 matches have resulted in innings scores of
Innings 1- 24
Innings 2 -20
Innings 3- 16
Innings 4- 44
Innings 5- 7
Innings 6- 45
Innings 7- 25*
Innings 8- DNB
Innings 9- 35
Innings 10- 0

This totals 216 runs. I will explain it further for your limited knowledge. In those 10 matches he was out 8 times. 216 divided by 8 equals 27. An average of 27 in last 10 matches and recorded innings. I suggest you work on your basic maths.

Yeah but you see when dealing with normal people, you would not count a batsman as failing when they dont even bloody bat! Nor would they say his last 10 innings include innings he doesnt bat

His last 10 innings include his 89*, you didnt say his last 10 matches

 

[South of the Yarra]

Yeah but you see when dealing with normal people, you would not count a batsman as failing when they dont even bloody bat! Nor would they say his last 10 innings include innings he doesnt bat

His last 10 innings include his 89*, you didnt say his last 10 matches

You are clutching at straws to try and get Whites 89* not out in somewhere. Firstly you want to compare 13 Michael Clarke games against 14 Cameron White games and you accuse me of bias by having two dates to make it an equitable comparison. In fact it was you tinkering the statistics and being misleading. Please check your own cric info stats and tell me what White has listed for his last ten games. It has listed 'dnb'. The fact is he played in the match. It does not affect his average as he wasn't out nor did he score runs so your ramblings are irrelevant. Where the hell did I say that White failed when he 'dnb'. That is ridiculous to suggest. The fact is that in the last ten one day internationals he has averaged 27 which is appalling.
Michael Clarke in his last ten one day internationals has averaged 52.3 and if you would like to tinker the results and go back to an 11th game to include Whites 80 then Clarke has averaged 64.75.
Bye bye Cameron.

 

[eddiesmith]

The constant use of he has made just 1 50 in his last 14 attempts, seeing as you are counting a DNB then you are basically accusing him of failing to score a 50 in a game he didnt even bat in

Your selective stats show how just stupid this idea is, 1 more game in either of your selective stats and Whites jumps by about 10 runs as happens when using such a small sample size

As pointed out to the last person with a crusade like this, White has never made runs in Australia, so now he isnt out of form, his series against England was identical to his career average in Australia, the s/r a little lower but his s/r in Australia is overall lower than overseas

I aint worried but of course you need someone else to deflect the attention onto

As for Clarkes average, its never been about the runs for those who bag him, its the s/r and failure to up the tempo, his hundred against India a perfect example

 

[South of the Yarra]

The constant use of he has made just 1 50 in his last 14 attempts, seeing as you are counting a DNB then you are basically accusing him of failing to score a 50 in a game he didnt even bat in

Your selective stats show how just stupid this idea is, 1 more game in either of your selective stats and Whites jumps by about 10 runs as happens when using such a small sample size

As pointed out to the last person with a crusade like this, White has never made runs in Australia, so now he isnt out of form, his series against England was identical to his career average in Australia, the s/r a little lower but his s/r in Australia is overall lower than overseas

I aint worried but of course you need someone else to deflect the attention onto

As for Clarkes average, its never been about the runs for those who bag him, its the s/r and failure to up the tempo, his hundred against India a perfect example

If only White could score a hundred, if only White could score a 50. One fifty since June is appalling and you keep trying to mask his appalling form due to your blatant bushranger bias.

Since you are talking about strike rates lets have a look at Whites.
His last ten strike rates
51.06
95.23
100
68.75
30.43
59.21
108.69
DNB
81.39
0.00

That is a strike rate average of 66.08 in his last 10 games. So based on your own theory White should not only be dropped for lack of runs but also for appalling run rate. Thanks for reinforcing that.

FACTS
White- 1 fifty since June
White- Last Ten matches averages 27
White- Last Ten matches- Strike rate of 66.08
Those 3 facts equal- Appalling form and should be dropped

 

[thedifference]

U cant just add the strike rates from each game and average them out to get to his strike rate

 

[South of the Yarra]

U cant just add the strike rates from each game and average them out to get to his strike rate

I understand that but was simply highlighting a medium average over 10 games. Better still 5 of his last 10 strike rates have been less than 69 and only one has been greater than 100.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Lets paint the truest picture of his strike rate over the last 10 games.
White has hit 216 runs off 314 balls.
Appalling and must be dropped on strike rate alone according to Eddie

 

[eddiesmith]

Of course the key difference between White and Clarke is if White doesnt get out his strike rate increases dramatically, Clarke just doesnt have that ability as the 100 v India clearly showed on what was a very good batting strip, he batted most of the innings and Australia fell short of 300 despite some amazing batting by White

I know you like to ignore any innings where White made runs but at the end of the day this season he averaged 38, s/r of 84

As for Clarkey, he also managed to get his strike rate up to 80, for the first time in 5 years! Maybe he is finally getting there, although he might lose his test spot instead

 

[South of the Yarra]

Of course the key difference between White and Clarke is if White doesnt get out his strike rate increases dramatically, Clarke just doesnt have that ability as the 100 v India clearly showed on what was a very good batting strip, he batted most of the innings and Australia fell short of 300 despite some amazing batting by White

I know you like to ignore any innings where White made runs but at the end of the day this season he averaged 38, s/r of 84

As for Clarkey, he also managed to get his strike rate up to 80, for the first time in 5 years! Maybe he is finally getting there, although he might lose his test spot instead

Yes we all know about losing test spots. Cameron White has adequately displayed how to do this on the big stage. As much as you like to taint figures to protect the under performing and severely over rated White he is failing miserably. He has averaged 27 in his last ten games and has hit 216 runs off 314 balls in his last ten games. This is pathetic and White has shown he is not up to it when it counts. Australia's only chance of winning the world cup is dropping White.

 

[DK#8]

Why don't you write the selectors a letter 'South of the Yarra"? You make such a quality argument the selectors will no doubt be persuaded!

You can even seal the envelope with your tears!

 

[South of the Yarra]

Why don't you write the selectors a letter 'South of the Yarra"? You make such a quality argument the selectors will no doubt be persuaded!

You can even seal the envelope with your tears!

I could have used your tears from last September.

 

[eddiesmith]

Yes we all know about losing test spots. Cameron White has adequately displayed how to do this on the big stage. As much as you like to taint figures to protect the under performing and severely over rated White he is failing miserably. He has averaged 27 in his last ten games and has hit 216 runs off 314 balls in his last ten games. This is pathetic and White has shown he is not up to it when it counts. Australia's only chance of winning the world cup is dropping White.

Oh and what, replacing him with Ferguson? What a joke, seen his last 10 games?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Oh and what, replacing him with Ferguson? What a joke, seen his last 10 games?

Yes appalling, we finally agree on something.

 

[Bomber Bears]

Of course the key difference between White and Clarke is if White doesnt get out his strike rate increases dramatically, Clarke just doesnt have that ability as the 100 v India clearly showed on what was a very good batting strip, he batted most of the innings and Australia fell short of 300 despite some amazing batting by White

What, like when we chased our biggest ever total against the Poms and Clarke got to 50 at about a run a ball then ended up with a strike rate of 115 or something?

Over the last 12 months Clarke average about 8 or 9 more runs than White at a strike rate of maybe 2 less. White hasnt his a half century since India, in which time Clarke has hit 3 (plus one in the warm up match). White is in poor form, deserves to be backed at this stage because him coming good would be quite a boost to our middle order, but no one would deny his current poor form.

 

[eddiesmith]

What, like when we chased our biggest ever total against the Poms and Clarke got to 50 at about a run a ball then ended up with a strike rate of 115 or something?

Over the last 12 months Clarke average about 8 or 9 more runs than White at a strike rate of maybe 2 less. White hasnt his a half century since India, in which time Clarke has hit 3 (plus one in the warm up match). White is in poor form, deserves to be backed at this stage because him coming good would be quite a boost to our middle order, but no one would deny his current poor form.

Clarkey seems to be improving a bit, he used to be able to get a 20-30 quickly then get out or else start slow and build a bigger innings but never really up the momentum much. It is interesting to note his average is higher when he captains but his strike rate lower

Thats where you differ from these others who say he should be dropped and 1 even going as far to suggest that every team in the world has worked him out

 

[Phone]

quite possibly the worst thread ever. but some points

- White is always below par to terrible in Australia. he averages 30 odd for victoria and 30 odd for Australia in ODers. This is partly why any discussion over him making the test team is dismissed
- White however is very good overseas. He averages 45 odd in 40 odd ODI matches. very decent. Probably the best record any Australia player in the team has overseas
- He also has a decent record in India.
- Everyone is injured anyway so we may as back White to get his form back
- Troll harder

 

[Cousin Jed]

Please just stop. Now.

 

[Phone]

LOOK I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION CALM DOWN JED. as

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Right, so White's abysmal form in Australia doesn't matter. I mean, who needs to perform at home anyway?

On that basis, Clarke's bad form in the Ashes Test series should be ignored.

Amazing what the White luvvies will say to justify the out-of-form slogger's spot.

 

[bluespooner]

Its just not White's scores, it is how poor he is technically as a batsman. He wouldn't be in the top 20 batsmen in the country but I guess the Victorian push to get their State players in the national squads has helped him gain selection and stay there.

Quality batsmen are able to work the ball for singles and twos, White's repetoire is block (ultra defensively straight back down the pitch) which happens for the first 40 balls seemingly; peppered with the occasional slog, and even though he's a reasonably big bloke he aren't that good at it.

White seems to take up a huge number of balls to to get 20s and 30s that are absolutely killing the side. His slogs are not inventive either, because he isn't a class bat he hits to all the standard field locations which makes him easy to defend against. It was amazing how much more poised Voges was in the last one day international than White; the pressure didn't build on Voges as he was able to work the ones and twos effectively by playing technically correct combined with good placement. Voges was able to keep the scoreboard ticking by taking substantially less risk then White, and you could probably add Sean Marsh there as well who is substantially a far superior batsman.

White is the worst player in what is a very poor Australian one day team, which is reflective of the selectors saying it doesn't matter how poorly you perform they will still find a reason to ensure your selection.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

You can all bag Cam all you want, like I have with Dussey and Clarke in the past, but now all I'm doing is hoping the lot of them get their shit together as it's too late now to do anything but pray.

 

[FRUMPY]

The past 10 games Cameron White has played he has made 216 runs at 27 with a strike rate of 68.14. Of these innings, he has made the 2nd highest score twice and third highest score once (from 9 innings). Not the greatest stats and not the worst either. You cant drop a player who came runner up in the ODI award for Australia for the year based on those stats. Cameron White has had a good YEAR in ODI and he deserves more opportunity to get out of this form slump. With the small boundaries in india, wont be surprised to see some decent socres in world cup.

Furthermore, i dont see what White's 20/20 record over the period has anything to do with his spot in the ODI form. Plus 20/20 is quite easy to have a poor record if going the slog. Average in that game means nothing, strike rate is the key.

Simple fact is, Cameron White is Australia's number 5 batsmen in the Aussie side as he has shown over the last 18 months he is very good in this role. His overall record of average of ave of 36 and strike rate of 82 proves this.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

10 games is a long stretch in ODIs.

 

[sidebum]

Who replaces him?

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Ferguson. Can actually strike at 100 from the beginning - knows how to work singles in the Hussey mould.

But, ideally - Mike Hussey.