How is Cameron White getting a game?

[eddiesmith]

He would play ahead of McDonald and Maxwell or he could take the gloves and **** Wade off

Hope we drop Wade for Carters for the Shield

Also I would never back a selector who thinks Peter Siddle is in Victorias best team for any limited overs match

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

But its all about having a replacement, so its entirely about other players

If there is no one better then a player doesnt get dropped

But Ferguson is a better option, if you want to limit the field to what we have over there. Dhussey is in better form than White, and plays the White role. Ferg is more in the Mhussey mould, and unlike White can strike at 100 from the beginning. He showed in his return ODI a few weeks back his ability to pace an innings.

He, for our requirements, is better. White and Dhussey in the middle order is a bad balance.

White deserves more than 1 bad series as he is possibly Australias future no3 and maybe even captain

Not when there's a World Cup on hand. You must be kidding.

Players get carried through form slumps all the time, just look at Michael Clarke, Michael Hussey went 2 years without making runs

Neither went two years without making runs in ODIs. And only Hussey did that in Tests.

Putting aside the different matter of Tests, to say White has anywhere near the credit in the bank of those two players is beyond belief.

Barring an injury in the next month, Michael Hussey has played his last ODI. Ricky Ponting will retire, Brad Haddin will be dumped and Dussey is only there because of the lost experience of his brother and the need for another spinner in the subcontinent so he wont be around after the WC either. The team will want to keeps its experienced players like White whilst players like Ferguson, Paine and hopefully Finch will get their chances after the World Cup

I don't doubt White is an important part of future planning (subject to a return to form). But that's the future. He shouldn't be there now: we have a World Cup to win and he's just not up to it right now, form-wise or team balance-wise.

If Mhussey comes back, forget Ferg: dump White and slot Mhussey in and everything is tops.

 

[mattymac]

the fact they're even considering replacing our back up quick with hussey when we have a notoriously injury prone attack says

a/ our selectors are still morons;
b/ even though they are morons they are still clear on the fact white will more than likely need to be dropped; and
c/ they have no faith in ferguson or feel they robbed huss of his swansong and want to give him a go to go out in style so they don't hurt his feelings

 

[Doodlesweaver]

the fact they're even considering replacing our back up quick with hussey when we have a notoriously injury prone attack says

a/ our selectors are still morons;
b/ even though they are morons they are still clear on the fact white will more than likely need to be dropped; and
c/ they have no faith in ferguson or feel they robbed huss of his swansong and want to give him a go to go out in style so they don't hurt his feelings

If another quick gets injured, they can fly someone else over there to replace him. They are probably trying to get Harris back in the nets as I write.

 

[mattymac]

aye but he'd get no chance to get used to the conditions at all. poor plan imo. bring nannes over.

if they want huss that bad they'll obviously not use fergs so get him to fake an injury... if harris comes good get hastings to fake one

 

[mayhem20202]

aye but he'd get no chance to get used to the conditions at all. poor plan imo. bring nannes over.

if they want huss that bad they'll obviously not use fergs so get him to fake an injury... if harris comes good get hastings to fake one

In fact, if the person goes over, and doesn't play until another bowler gets injured, they won't have a chance to get used to the conditions anyway. At least they would be over here staying in bowling shape with their states. Yeah, they will bowl in the nets, but, at the end of the day, nothing beats match practice. I say, send Huss over. The batting is poor, other than Watson, no one is in form.

 

[mattymac]

well i guess it all depends. if they are only gonna waste the spot on siddle then i'm all for huss going over

if on the other hand they are considering bringing in a serious bowler such as nannes then i'd want him over asap getting used to the climate

having dussey in the side has completely thrown our established batting order out the window. we tuned it for a year or two with the huss/fergs style man down the order to push it round at a run a ball and marshall the tail. now that the real deal is here we suddenly throw the plan away and have two brainfarting hitters in white and dussey, one of whom is in seriously poor form and one of whom was never very good and is in the side for his occasional darts

 

[mayhem20202]

well i guess it all depends. if they are only gonna waste the spot on siddle then i'm all for huss going over

if on the other hand they are considering bringing in a serious bowler such as nannes then i'd want him over asap getting used to the climate

having dussey in the side has completely thrown our established batting order out the window. we tuned it for a year or two with the huss/fergs style man down the order to push it round at a run a ball and marshall the tail. now that the real deal is here we suddenly throw the plan away and have two brainfarting hitters in white and dussey, one of whom is in seriously poor form and one of whom was never very good and is in the side for his occasional darts

So, you are saying that we have 2 blokes in the middle order that need replacing. And, the number 4 bat in ODI's in the world is sitting at home waiting for a call to go over, so, wouldn't it make sense to send him over, considering even if Nannes was to be sent over, he still wouldn't play unless someone got injured, in which case Nannes could then be sent over anyway????

 

[mattymac]

one of them (white) needs replacing. the other should never have been selected. ferguson, being like for like and proven reliable, should have been selected as mussey's replacement from the start and dussey should have been left at home. then we could have taken another authentic hitter along as cover for white (there were already strong signs that white's form was a serious concern)

selecting dussey completely screwed the structure we had worked on for a couple of years. now we lack the hussey/ferguson style man doing the bevan role

what i'm saying is the selections are all f..ked up. if we take hussey over now we have ferguson over there sitting on his hands and still noone to fill white's designated role. plus we'd be a bowler short. if tait or lee were to break down we would rely on hastings or rush someone over from melbourne to play in the subcontinent without acclimatising. thats a bollocks idea

its all moot anyway cos if they send a bowler they'll send siddle. hilditch likes his flavour saver

 

[Doodlesweaver]

one of them (white) needs replacing. the other should never have been selected. ferguson, being like for like and proven reliable, should have been selected as mussey's replacement from the start and dussey should have been left at home. then we could have taken another authentic hitter along as cover for white (there were already strong signs that white's form was a serious concern)

selecting dussey completely screwed the structure we had worked on for a couple of years. now we lack the hussey/ferguson style man doing the bevan role

what i'm saying is the selections are all f..ked up. if we take hussey over now we have ferguson over there sitting on his hands and still noone to fill white's designated role. plus we'd be a bowler short. if tait or lee were to break down we would rely on hastings or rush someone over from melbourne to play in the subcontinent without acclimatising. thats a bollocks idea

its all moot anyway cos if they send a bowler they'll send siddle. hilditch likes his flavour saver

Mussey can hit. Sure he accumulates when he needs to but he is very adaptable, that is his great strength. His ability to play to the situation. Dussey can hit as well, he just doesn't do it very often and he's nowhere near as strong against spin as his big bro.

Ferguson looked completely lost playing spin in the one warm-up game he got. I was quite shocked by it as I hadn't seen him like that before. It was grizzly to watch. He can sit on his hands all tournament on that showing.

I think they'll send Siddle as well if they don't send Huss. Regardless of how little use he will be.

 

[Bucking Beads]

White a future number 3 and Captain.... ROFL the bloke has no front foot defence FFS. He is a glorified hitter and is great to watch when he is on but he just is not Test match Standard.

 

[mattymac]

Ferguson looked completely lost playing spin in the one warm-up game he got. I was quite shocked by it as I hadn't seen him like that before. It was grizzly to watch. He can sit on his hands all tournament on that showing.

to be fair his 8 runs were more than clarke (0), white (4) and dussey (0) combined. so even though he looked scratchy i wouldn't write him off on the basis of that one performance

that pitch was a bit of a disgrace and we probably won't see one like it in the tournament proper. we lost 9/58 so singling out fergs is a bit rich

 

[pistonbroke23]

It is astounding how Cameron White, who is clearly in the worst form of any player in Australia is getting a game.
In one day Internationals since 24th June last year he has batted 13 times. In that time he has hit only one score over 50. Since the 9th May he has batted 8 times in T20 games and has not scored one 50 in fact his last four scores have been under 10. In the two warm up games to the world cup he has failed.
Some of his recent strike rates include 51,68,30,50 and 0.
That means the last 23 times he has batted for Australia he has hit one score over 50 and only one international 50 since 24th June last year.

In the time that White has hit only one 50 in One day matches, Michael Clarke who people were calling for his head has hit 6 scores over 50. Since June 22 Clarke has played 14 innings and has hit 6 scores over 50 including 111* 99* 87* 50* and 82. This is not including another 50 he hit over night in the warm up match.
Facts show White who has only one 50 since June is in shocking form. His timing is off and he must be dropped. He is a liability and is putting pressure on other batsmen due to his lack of form.
It astounds me that people have called for Clarkes head in one day games but keep ignoring Whites form or lack of it. Just shows that people are judging on whether they like a player or not instead of form. Time to go Cameron.

I dont think we can seriously consider dropping anyone ever again after Clarke and Smiths summer.White is batting terribly but going on clarke and smith and hughes and....need i go on,whites place should be assured for a decade or so.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

to be fair his 8 runs were more than clarke (0), white (4) and dussey (0) combined. so even though he looked scratchy i wouldn't write him off on the basis of that one performance

that pitch was a bit of a disgrace and we probably won't see one like it in the tournament proper. we lost 9/58 so singling out fergs is a bit rich

Dussey got out first ball, we didn't get a chance to see him scratch around. Though he isn't brilliant against spin.

Ferguson edged every ball he faced. It was really horrible to watch. He'd probably be alright against a team that wasn't spin heavy.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Dussey got out first ball, we didn't get a chance to see him scratch around. Though he isn't brilliant against spin.

Ferguson edged every ball he faced. It was really horrible to watch. He'd probably be alright against a team that wasn't spin heavy.

You make that judgement off one practice match?

Wow.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

You make that judgement off one practice match?

Wow.

No, I wouldn't. I'd make it on the grounds that hardly any young Aussie batsmen appear to be at all adept against spin.

There's no reason why they should be either.

 

[mattymac]

CL White b Kamande 2 (6b 0x4 0x6) SR: 33.33

hmmm

 

[South of the Yarra]

Another White failure. His form has become embarrassing and the protection by Victorian media is a joke.

 

[Glenno23]

Dussey back in for White to keep the Vics happy

White will be given the Canadian game to make runs, if he fails again, surely its time for a break?

But being captain of the T20 side will keep him immune

 

[rose jam]

White should never have gone in the first place and it's just getting more and more embarassing. I bracket Haddin in the same boat.
Unless our bowlers have an unbelievable finals effort we can't win with this batting line up.

 

[Public Enemy No1]

His form is a definite worry.
Need players in the middle order (in India) who can 'hit' the spinners.

he is capable but not showing it unfortunately.

 

[The OBSTacle]

A bizarre dismissal just when he didn't need it.

He is badly out of form and he needs to revert back to his big hitting game and take some risks. The conservative style he has undertaken this past summer is not doing him any favors.

 

[rose jam]

His form is a definite worry.
Need players in the middle order (in India) who can 'hit' the spinners.

he is capable but not showing it unfortunately.

when spinners are bowling into his legs he just isn't capable, he has no shots against that bowling

 

[The Passenger]

horribly out of form is white.

been a disaster season on all fronts... especially when you consider the test teams poor form and he had a golden opportunity to slam some runs at shield level which would've have almost certainly secured a test spot.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The ball he got last night was a fair ripper, though. Would have gotten a lot of international batsmen out.