How will you feel if your club drafts John Butcher?

[ExTasDeeMan]

He sounds too much like Ian Perrie for my liking.

 

[ETOH]

Great if we get him at #11

 

[Bustling Barry]

I hope the Tigers take him at 3, we all know what happened last time we passed on KPF early in the draft......

 

[Bustling Barry]

I hope the Tigers take him at 3, we all know what happened last time we passed on KPF early in the draft......

 

[Bombers41]

In all honestly list management wise and probably general watching on tv I know the least about these four teams. Richmond, Fremantle, North Melbourne & Sydney Swans but they seem Butcher territory. Surely someone will make a "needs" thread soon but do the supporters of these teams think they have the current cattle to fill KPF or need to draft someone this year be it first or 2nd round, hence Butcher being most likely option first round.

Tigers think they have few guys that could step in firstly filling in the other tall positions; Vickery & Graham future ruckmen, with Rance down back but who else, are Thursfeild, Moore & the other one (McGuane?) able to play KPD? I think this may alter were Post ends up, wildcard Silvester. That leaves J.Reiwoldt maybe Morton as the forwards, (Gourdis and Hughes finished). Post will determine if they need Butcher me thinks.

Freo have McPharlin but how old is he? and how good? Any other options for the future... obviously there is pavlich at the moment. And from what I know Murphy ain't much. Freo need one but Morabito might be too good to pass on.

North seems the most interesting Hale, Hansen, Edwards, Robbie Tarrant even. But none of them seem to be kicking on, is this because of the delivery midfield problem or them. I actually think Petrie should be played permanently down there.

Will Sydney be alright with White, Grundy & Johnston.

As stated I haven't seen much of these teams but from taking a brief look at their options and they aren't totally lost for KPF options hence why maybe they'd want a mid instead of Butcher. And if the team goes for a mid with the first pick would it be important to go KPP with the 2nd rounder?

 

[W. Smithers]

People have heard concerns about his kicking and then cranked up the hysteria and turned him into the worst kick in history.

The hysteria peaked after his game for Maffra on the weekend.

From what i've heard, took around 15 marks, but kicked 1 goal 7 behinds and one out on the full.

I am sure all the teams have been studying him very closely, and if the kicking is a relatively easy fix, he'll still go early.

Being a tiger supporter though, I would rather we go the safe option. We can't afford another draft fail.

 

[Demonheart]

Scully and Trengove seem to be better prospects so I wouldn't be overly happy if we used the 2nd pick on him. If he's still there at 11 then I'd be thrilled, can't see it happening though.

 

[Quigley]

The hysteria peaked after his game for Maffra on the weekend.

From what i've heard, took around 15 marks, but kicked 1 goal 7 behinds and one out on the full.

I am sure all the teams have been studying him very closely, and if the kicking is a relatively easy fix, he'll still go early.

Being a tiger supporter though, I would rather we go the safe option. We can't afford another draft fail.

Kicking you often can fix kicking for goal though is often much harder. It is more a mental thing usually and not many poor kicks for goal as a junior suddenly become good kicks when they hit the high pressure AFL environment.

That being said I do note that Brisbane as a team this year went from being on of the worst goal kicking teams last year to one of the best this year so things can change.

 

[Quigley]

People have heard concerns about his kicking and then cranked up the hysteria and turned him into the worst kick in history.

He needs to work on it, but his kicking isn't anywhere near the concern some internet heroes are making it out to be around these parts.

His kicking was always suspect though so it should not have surprised that many professionals. It might be some of the attitude whispers that hurt him as much.

You weigh that up against the fact that he has great height, moves well and has great hands and it is an interesting proposition although one I would be very nervous about if I was picking in the top 5.

 

[daics cousin]

See my thread on him,according to a close source he can't kick !

Don't want him at collingwood!
Anyone else can him!

 

[Mossy1978]

i would take him at 3.

Why? Because he has the most upside of anybody in the draft. A mobile 197cm forward with sticky hands is an asset that cannot be underestimated. With the right coaching his kicking will improve.

And with that name he will either butcher other sides or his disposal!

Sometimes you have to take risks to get somewhere.....

Butcher may have some minor faults but he has much upside and those small issues are definitely manageable.

He'd the third best player in the draft, at the moment. If he is still the 3rd best after Draft Camp, Richmond should take him.

But then again, the draft camp does bring out some hidden or unnoticeable talent.....

 

[Consumed]

Hello everyone!

I have been reading a few of the draft threads lately and one thing that most fans have in common is severe hatred for John Butcher.

Thoughts?

This is the first I have heard of dislike towards him.

And I have been reading Drafts & Trading for months.
True, i don't usually wander on to other teams boards, especially those on the bottom end of the ladder, where does the dislike stem from.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I'd love him at pick 7.

Some questions over his disposal, but with goal kicking it comes down to technique, which can be fixed.

Honestly, Butcher+crumber+specialist small defender would complete our team in years to come.

Would have to disagree.

Leigh Matthews has often said that if you are a poor kick at 17, you'll be a poor kick at 27.

Sumich, Richardson, Mooney et al never improved their goal kicking from the day they started.

 

[NHILL TIGERS!]

Sounds like Buddy. always better to kick 7.8 than 7.1 i say.

Always better to kick 14.1 than 7.8, thats just me though...

 

[MaxHunt]

Whats his engine like?

 

[bombermick]

It will be interesting to see what Melbourne do here. It sounds like Butcher could be anything, perhaps he'll be the next Buddy or perhaps he'll be like Cloke and get plenty of the ball but be a shocking kick for goal. Do you go with the seemingly safe option of Trengrove or take a risk on somebody who could possibly be a superstar?

 

[Spluff]

He is a dead ringer for Kurt Tippet, but with better marking abilities and lesser rucking abilities. I'd be happy to take him at 3, he could tear apart games like nobody else (except for maybe Morabito or Rohan) from the draft.

 

[richoatthedisco]

The hysteria peaked after his game for Maffra on the weekend.

From what i've heard, took around 15 marks, but kicked 1 goal 7 behinds and one out on the full.

Out of a team total of something like 9.27, so he wasn't Paddy Malone. I think conditions weren't great.

I am sure all the teams have been studying him very closely, and if the kicking is a relatively easy fix, he'll still go early.

This.

Being a tiger supporter though, I would rather we go the safe option. We can't afford another draft fail.

No such thing as a safe option. We need a key forward, the sooner the better.

Kicking you often can fix kicking for goal though is often much harder. It is more a mental thing usually and not many poor kicks for goal as a junior suddenly become good kicks when they hit the high pressure AFL environment.

That being said I do note that Brisbane as a team this year went from being on of the worst goal kicking teams last year to one of the best this year so things can change.

You just contradicted yourself. Set-shot technique should be much easier to correct than kicking on the run, and/or under physical pressure.

Would have to disagree.

Leigh Matthews has often said that if you are a poor kick at 17, you'll be a poor kick at 27.

Sumich, Richardson, Mooney et al never improved their goal kicking from the day they started.

Maybe they didn't practice enough. Stewart Loewe worked hard at it and improved a hell of a lot, as did Tredrea. Anyway, two of the three you mentioned are dual premiership forwards, as was Stephen Kernahan, another bloke with goalkicking yips. Sumich kicked 100 goals in a season for crying out loud, and he couldn't even mark above his head (like Buddy). All players have their strengths and weaknesses. I hope we get Butcher. Dustin Martin looks good but no different to a top-10 midfielder any other year, and I'm pretty confident the Tigers will have a top-10 pick again next year.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Hello everyone!

I have been reading a few of the draft threads lately and one thing that most fans have in common is severe hatred for John Butcher.

Most of the Melbourne and Richmond supporters do not want a bar of him. On the North board the other night someone suggested the possibility of us drafting Butcher with pick 5 and 2 posters said they would shoot themselves in the head if that happened.

This is strange to me because I would say that based on his junior career Butcher has been at least as good as any other key forwards drafted in recent history.

Where do u think he will go? Do you want him?

Thoughts?

Does "recent history" include Riewoldt? If so,

Riewoldt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Butcher

Sorry Aria, I don't have a big opinion of him. Would much prefer a midfielder any day.

 

[__aria__]

I'm not that familiar with Riewoldt's junior career.

Was it better than Butcher's was it? Couldn't have been by much.

And why are you apologising to me? I have no idea who you are.

 

[Quigley]

You just contradicted yourself. Set-shot technique should be much easier to correct than kicking on the run, and/or under physical pressure.

Should be but is not. You hear numerous times every week that such and such should just go back and kick like it was a field kick on the run. Or guys like Morton going out and kicking round the corner rather than taking the set shot.

Mitch Clark is a similar type to Butcher. Tall with great hands and came into the league as a forward but his goal kicking was all over the shop. He is a lovely field kick but his technique in front of goal is completely different. Similarly with Buddy who despite everything else is still an ordinary shot for goal even with the umpires doing him a huge favour allowing him to move off the mark with his approach.

 

[Quigley]

Aria - it depends on how you rate a junior career I think. Plenty of key forwards outside of Vict have had much better years than Butcher. Then I think you should weight pretty highly how they perform at the Champs and Butcher was very ordinary this year and I can't think of a recent first KP taken who has performed worse than him. Last year he looked like an exciting bottom aged prospect who stood up in the televised game. This year though he was very disappointing. Then you have the fact that he has not been able to put two good games together all year. I can't see how you could be anything other than disappointed with him this year let alone say that he has been as good as any KP recently.

 

[deledio7]

After watching him for Maffra last week I think we need to take him. His marking is unbelievable and his attack on the ball was somewhat of a surprise. The conditions at Morwell weren't great and he had most his shots from outside 40 meters. He should of kicked a couple of goals in the first where he was about 35 out but he wasn't the only one to struggle in front of goals.

If Trengove is gone we must take Butcher at 3.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Riewoldt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Butcher

Nick or Jack?

You hear numerous times every week that such and such should just go back and kick like it was a field kick on the run

And that's just Malcolm Blight. It's pretty much right, which proves that set-shot goal-kicking is all in the head.

Butcher was very ordinary this year and I can't think of a recent first KP taken who has performed worse than him.

Buddy had a stinker of a carnival in 04.

 

[D BRIDGE]

He looks like a big dope that is a very good mark in a one on one stationary position.