List Mgmt. Hypothetical trades and wishlists thread

[Mitchell54]

I do now - apologies!

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Fixed

 

[threesixpio]

I think for us the focus should be best 22 mids or forwards, or draft picks. So the likelihood of an overlap between a player we want to recruit and a player you are happy to let go is pretty minimal .

What is the overall perception of Kade Stewart? He seems to have had a very solid first year.

So no defenders

 

[threesixpio]

Sammy M must like Billy. Billy can kick on both sides pretty well from memory

 

[dajesmac]

Mate, if the Eagles are offering a 4year contract to Hartung, they're not going to be handing over a 3rd rounder. It doesn't work that way.

A player and 2nd Rounder is nothing to be sneezed at.

Sorry but I fundamentally disagree. An extended contract is part of the negotiation to lure a non WA player over to the state. He will want security. It does not inflate Hartung's value. He and pick 32 is significant unders for a player like Andrew Gaff.

 

[dajesmac]

So no defenders

I think we are all good in that area and need to use the bargaining chips we do have to improve the midfield.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Sorry but I fundamentally agree. An extended contract is part of the negotiation to lure a non WA player over to the state. He will want security. It does not inflate Hartung's value. He and pick 32 is significant unders for a player like Andrew Gaff.

Good to see you come around and agree with us!

 

[dajesmac]

Good to see you come around and agree with us!

Ah nuts

 

[MrFujiMoto]

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That was their choice. But the fact remains we have leverage because we don't have to trade him. It definitely does not mean nothing.

It will depend if there is genuine interest for Gaff to return home. West Coast seem a pretty good club and may look to facilitate that that for Gaff. Then they get the best they can, not the open market value. Good clubs will do that, shit clubs won't and are run by Tony Cochrane and the like. Call it karma, call it what you like but that sort of good will towards a player does come back to you in the end.

 

[HeHateMe]

with the afl looking like they are trying to faze out FA compo, i would expect Gaff to land Band 2 if he left as a FA. Pick 19-22 give or take.

So if (a big IF) Gaff looks like he is leaving it would be smart for WC to try and find a replacment asap.

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[sven_inc]

The last season we missed finals (2009) we brought in Burgoyne Gibson Stratton Suckling Duryea

Would love us to trade some older guys, get some value and then pick up the next Stratton/Puopolo/Smith etc via mature age draftees. Great year to do it.

 

[dajesmac]

It will depend if there is genuine interest for Gaff to return home. West Coast seem a pretty good club and may look to facilitate that that for Gaff. Then they get the best they can, not the open market value. Good clubs will do that, shit clubs won't and are run by Tony Cochrane and the like. Call it karma, call it what you like but that sort of good will towards a player does come back to you in the end.

It's true that we are 'nice guys' at the trade table, although we've also shown a reluctance to trade contracted, required players (again I use the Mitch Brown example). If we accepted an offer of Hartung and 32 for Gaff Mr Craig Vozzo would have his balls handed to him on a platter.

with the afl looking like they are trying to faze out FA compo, i would expect Gaff to land Band 2 if he left as a FA. Pick 19-22 give or take.

So if (a big IF) Gaff looks like he is leaving it would be smart for WC to try and find a replacment asap.

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There is merit to that point of view. But Hartung does not constitute a satisfactory replacement regardless of whether he is packaged with a pick in the 30's.

 

[Happy_Hawker]

It's true that we are 'nice guys' at the trade table, although we've also shown a reluctance to trade contracted, required players (again I use the Mitch Brown example). If we accepted an offer of Hartung and 32 for Gaff Mr Craig Vozzo would have his balls handed to him on a platter.



There is merit to that point of view. But Hartung does not constitute a satisfactory replacement regardless of whether he is packaged with a pick in the 30's.

OK, so Hartung + which pick would get it done from your perspective?

 

[HeHateMe]

There is merit to that point of view. But Hartung does not constitute a satisfactory replacement regardless of whether he is packaged with a pick in the 30's.

I dont think pick 30 will get it done. If hawks and wc are talking id assume hawks have a higher pick already stiched up. But dont take what i say as any thing more then just my opinon. Im probs way off.

 

[Teamwork Talks]

Mate, if the Eagles are offering a 4year contract to Hartung, they're not going to be handing over a 3rd rounder. It doesn't work that way.

A player and 2nd Rounder is nothing to be sneezed at.

Aaaaahhh Choooo!

 

[dipper86]

Given he is contracted we would be pushing hard for close to a top five pick but may accept something in the top eight. Having said that it's against the club's nature to trade a contracted required player (see Mitch Brown in 2013) so I can't see him going this year. If we hold onto him for another year I'd expect Band 1 compensation (AA in 2016, BnF and possibly BnF again this year).

I'm sorry to say but Gaff even contracted is not a pick 5's ares hole. no offence to the player intended.

If a contracted HILL was traded out for a low second round pick how do you justify Gaff being a pick 5.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Sorry but I fundamentally disagree. An extended contract is part of the negotiation to lure a non WA player over to the state. He will want security. It does not inflate Hartung's value. He and pick 32 is significant unders for a player like Andrew Gaff.

Well, sorry bud, but reality is a bitch.

Gaff isn't gong to earn you a top 10 pick, and as that is what you're seemingly only interested in hearing you probably need to accept you're not going to hear it here.

 

[Mitchell54]

Who would people rather use a pick 10 on Gaff or Schache?

 

[dipper86]

Who would people rather use a pick 10 on Gaff or Schache?

neither.

 

[NICE1]

neither.

^^^^^^^^

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Who would people rather use a pick 10 on Gaff or Schache?

Schache every day of the week and twice on Sunday's for me.

 

[darksquare]

I'm sorry to say but Gaff even contracted is not a pick 5's ares hole. no offence to the player intended.

If a contracted HILL was traded out for a low second round pick how do you justify Gaff being a pick 5.

All Australian. Averages 10 full possessions per game more than Hill at point of trade. Hill got great service from premiership teammates, so there was a doubt over his production in a lesser team. Whereas Gaff has to run around like a blue-arsed fly closing the space that our slow midfield leaves. Also, you don't get to factor in Hill's obvious improvement this year.

Anyway, Gaff's value is determined by what other teams would pay, not by our speculation. I don't know if it's pick 5 - but it's a fair way above what Brad Hill was worth a year ago.


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[darksquare]

OK, so Hartung + which pick would get it done from your perspective?

I don't think there is a viable Gaff-Hartung trade, regardless of balancing picks. We need more A-grade midfielders, so swapping our second-best mid for two lesser parts (Hartung, pick outside first round) does not improve our list.

If Gaff does want to come home, I expect we'll trade for the single best pick we can get.

And if we do trade for Hartung, I think we'll do so independently.


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[Gralin]

All Australian. Averages 10 full possessions per game more than Hill at point of trade. Hill got great service from premiership teammates, so there was a doubt over his production in a lesser team. Whereas Gaff has to run around like a blue-arsed fly closing the space that our slow midfield leaves. Also, you don't get to factor in Hill's obvious improvement this year.

Anyway, Gaff's value is determined by what other teams would pay, not by our speculation. I don't know if it's pick 5 - but it's a fair way above what Brad Hill was worth a year ago.


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Not if he wants out

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not if he wants out

And is a FA next year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Man, I'm not even that sold on Gaff.....now we've got Eagles fans turning up to advise how much he's worth. meh.