I dont think Carey is in the top 100 players to play the game

[woota]

There was a "top 5 AFL players ever" list that The Sunday Footy Show did a few years ago, where they compared individual top 5 lists made by each of the experts, and all of them except one had Carey ranked #1.

The opinion of this Greg Hobbs character is completely irrelevant compared to a group of legends of the game who all concur that Wayne Carey is the best player they have ever seen. Maybe Greg Hobbs just doesn't like Carey as a person for whatever reason and lets his emotions get in the way of his judgement.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Jeez BF has no chill.

Is it impossible it’s just a very literal quote and he was exaggerating for effect?

 

[bombersfan4000]

Rooting your team mates misses is a pretty low act! But for that to have you taken out of the list for one of the top 100 players ever lol

 

[Deep]

All the guns like Lockett, Dunstall, Snr, Carey, etc would give up what they achieved to have been paid what today's top tier forwards get. All of them would've finished on 700-850 goals in today's times

 

[Frank Gallagher]

There is an article in the Herald-Sun about adding a 4th interchange player to the Team of the Century, and this is a quote from Greg Hobbs, former Football Record chief writer and T.O.C selector:

"I wouldn't put carey in the second Team of the Century. I am not a Carey fan. I reckon he is not in the top 100. He is overrated to buggery"

I know people have different views on footy, but FFS - does anyone else find it astounding that anyone could have this view, let alone a guy heavily involved in footy and responsible for Team of the Cenutry selection?? I really cannot understand it.

Does he watch football, and who put him on the panel?

He also couldn't find room for any Collingwood players, as biased as they come, probably a closet Carlton supporter.

 

[Cicatriz]

Malthouse didn't have Ablett Snr in his top 50. Barassi didn't rate him either. So what?

 

[DanA]

I have Carey top 5.

 

[Hawker1167]

Carey i loved watching when he wasn't playing the Hawks and he tore us apart on more than one occasion and one of the best i have seen in my 45 years of watching footy

i suppose other than doing his team mates wife the only criticism i would have is on his Grand Final appearances he didn't really have any big games - in the one they lost against the crows i feel he could have tried something different when the crows had that match winning run on - he was bloody big and strong enough to run through someone to try and hold up the game a little - this is IMO only and some might agree and others disagree strongly but this is what forums are all about getting other views. especially when your team isn't playing and you dont have that emotional attachment to the game your watching

 

[Tushay]

Hard to assess as a Carlton supporter as Carey never got the better of SOS.

Plus Kernahan betters him on all key stats including goals per game and (by a margin) goals per game in finals.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

They need another bench spot to fit another Carlton player in.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Hard to assess as a Carlton supporter as Carey never got the better of SOS.

Plus Kernahan betters him on all key stats including goals per game and (by a margin) goals per game in finals.

In fairness, the WWE have patented moves they copied from Sos, the full nelson, the body slam, the suplex etc etc.

 

[Pessimistic]

Slot him in at CHB which he excelled at regularly too

 

[Jade]

If you're gonna troll Carey, you gotta say you rate him about 10th all time.

Cause adding another zero just makes you a stroke victim.

 

[sonnywalters]

Carey benefits from two major things.

1. He is in the media currently.
2. People in decision making/powerful positions in the present media & AFL saw him play or played against or with him.

A lot of the ranking stuff is about timing. Sure Carey was very good. But there have been plenty of good players.
Was he better than Quinlan, Wade or Kernahan? Possibly not.

 

[JackFlash]

Hobbs failure as a polemicist is clearly evident here.

 

[ChrisHunt313131]

I'm a big Carey fan and rate my top 3 players of all time in order as:

1. Matthews
2. Carey
3. Lockett

 

[King Brown]

Who is or was this Greg Hobbs fellow?

 

[SdKfz 181]

Who is or was this Greg Hobbs fellow?

Sporting Globe editor, far right of course.

 

[Brutalitops]

In fairness, the WWE have patented moves they copied from Sos, the full nelson, the body slam, the suplex etc etc.

Unlike the forwards who were choir boys out on the field

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Hard to assess as a Carlton supporter as Carey never got the better of SOS.

Plus Kernahan betters him on all key stats including goals per game and (by a margin) goals per game in finals.

Lol Kernahan isn’t even in the conversation.

Carey’s influence was so far beyond goals per game it’s embarassing to even mention it.

 

[A Swallow]

Hard to assess as a Carlton supporter as Carey never got the better of SOS.

Plus Kernahan betters him on all key stats including goals per game and (by a margin) goals per game in finals.

Your key stats don't include kicks (Carey 11.8 v Kernahan 11.2), handballs (Carey 4.7 v Kernahan 3.1), finals appearances (Carey 23 v Kernahan 18), AA nods (Carey 7(4 as Captain) v Kernahan 2) or club B&F's (Carey 4 v Kernahan 3)? Because they sure seem like key stats to me. There's plenty more as well in Carey's favour.

Considering that Carey played far more of a role around the ground than Kernahan, it's not surprising that Sticks just shades The King in goals per game in the regular season (Carey 2.7 v Kernahan 2.9). Kernahan does stretch the lead in this stat category in finals as you suggested (also not surprising though, given Carey played CHB), but is well behind Carey in other areas:

Carey average in finals: 18 disposals, 7 marks, 2.6 goals, 2 behinds, 1.2 tackles.
Kernahan average in finals: 13 disposals, 7 marks, 3.6 goals, 1.7 behinds, 0.8 tackles.

Not sure what Kernahan beats Carey in at all aside from goals, your post is a little misleading. Not to mention that none of this discusses the pure impact on a game that Carey could have. He could play any position on the ground and turn a game on it's head. This is why past players etc. talk about Carey as one of the best ever, Kernahan is rarely even mentioned.

 

[God Mode]

Carey i loved watching when he wasn't playing the Hawks and he tore us apart on more than one occasion and one of the best i have seen in my 45 years of watching footy

i suppose other than doing his team mates wife the only criticism i would have is on his Grand Final appearances he didn't really have any big games - in the one they lost against the crows i feel he could have tried something different when the crows had that match winning run on - he was bloody big and strong enough to run through someone to try and hold up the game a little - this is IMO only and some might agree and others disagree strongly but this is what forums are all about getting other views. especially when your team isn't playing and you dont have that emotional attachment to the game your watching

I've thought about this before and concluded I would take Brereton in Finals over Carey. Would you agree?

 

[A Swallow]

I've thought about this before and concluded I would take Brereton in Finals over Carey. Would you agree?

There may have been an occasion or two to give you this anecdotal feeling, but overall, not a great decision:

Carey average in finals: 18 disposals, 7 marks, 2.6 goals, 2 behinds, 1.2 tackles.
Brereton average in finals: 13 disposals, 5 marks, 2.0 goals, 1.5 behinds, 0.7 tackles.

For the record, Carey had some pretty handy finals that seem to have been ignored/forgotten in this thread (noting that stats certainly don't capture his entire influence):

1994 QF v Hawks - 32 disposals, 10 marks, 4.4
1994 PF v Geelong - 24 disposals, 14 marks, 6.4
1995 QF v Richmond - 22 disposals, 9 marks, 5.4
1996 QF v Geelong - 23 disposals, 10 marks, 3.2
1996 PF v Brisbane - 24 disposals, 14 marks, 3.2
1996 GF v Sydney - 22 disposals, 9 marks, 1.3
1997 QF v Geelong - 23 disposals, 10 marks, 7.0
1997 PF v West Coast - 16 disposals, 5 marks, 2.0
1998 QF v Essendon - 24 disposals, 8 marks, 5.6
1999 QF v Port Adelaide - 24 disposals, 11 marks, 6.2
1999 PF v Brisbane - 17 disposals, 6 marks, 3.0
1999 GF v Carlton - 17 disposals, 5 marks, 2.0

 

[Brutalitops]

Lol Kernahan isn’t even in the conversation.

Carey’s influence was so far beyond goals per game it’s embarassing to even mention it.

Does Sticks still have the longest captaincy record? 220 odd games. Mustve got the gig by being a shy retiring type with little influence...

 

[Ron The Bear]

Sporting Globe editor, far right of course.

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Authored several footy books in the 70’s and 80’s, including club histories for Melbourne & Footscray.

Have to assume there is some sort of personal grievance at play.