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Im The Gun said:
You obviously failed simple mathematics at school.
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You obviously failed simple mathematics at school.
I think the place you went ITG was more or less a designated ******** up area. I do agree with much of your sentiment though - especially about the minimum bet windows.
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Im The Gun said:
You might want to edit that!!!!
Certainly not adding any credence to your argument.
Im also a regular at the races, & share some of your frustrations, but the suit thing is overrated (often those that aren't regulars are the ones swanning around in suits, trying to be something their not).
The only way Ive been able to overcome your problem is get into the members. At least in their most are respectful in regards to things such as minimum betting windows, etc.
That said I often take less experienced ppl to the races, & attempt to educate them in the way of the turf & find many of my happier days at the races are spent with such ppl.
Dont let it ruin your carnival ITG, the racings too good.
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******** just saw that, thanksBobby Beecroft said:
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Yeah thats kinda why i pointed it out
New suit: $300
Shirt & tie: $194
New shoes: $200
Rose of the day: $12
Having your day ruined by 100,000 ignorant commoners: PRICELESS!
(Seriously, if it bothers you that much, spend some extra money - it will give you something else to brag about here - any buy a ticket to the members or a classy marquee so that you're not trapped on the lawn with the riff-raff)
Shirt & tie: $194
New shoes: $200
Rose of the day: $12
Having your day ruined by 100,000 ignorant commoners: PRICELESS!
(Seriously, if it bothers you that much, spend some extra money - it will give you something else to brag about here - any buy a ticket to the members or a classy marquee so that you're not trapped on the lawn with the riff-raff)
I love a punt, and general sentiment here seems to be the same as mine. Young drunk kids are no good. Suits don't have to be worn by everyone.
I'm all for more people getting involved with the punt (bigger proze pools lead to larger payouts), however, I'd like to see some of the inexperienced brigade learn a few of the basics. Things like not clogging up the lines asking the tote workers questions on how to put a bet on two minutes before jump. Or messing around with their racebook forgetting who they wanted when they put on a bet.
Other than that, more power to them. They can unload their hard earned on donkey's with no chance if they desire, it'll just wind out the odds of the good thing I'm going to unload on (never actually happened, but it's fun to pretend).
I'm all for more people getting involved with the punt (bigger proze pools lead to larger payouts), however, I'd like to see some of the inexperienced brigade learn a few of the basics. Things like not clogging up the lines asking the tote workers questions on how to put a bet on two minutes before jump. Or messing around with their racebook forgetting who they wanted when they put on a bet.
Other than that, more power to them. They can unload their hard earned on donkey's with no chance if they desire, it'll just wind out the odds of the good thing I'm going to unload on (never actually happened, but it's fun to pretend).
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I particularly agree with hold up in betting que. I can tolerate newbie’s taking a little longer over their bets, but if you are still learning and betting small, go place your bet early and leave the last several minutes to the big punters and most importantly for F%*@s sake make your mind who you are backing before you get in the que.
I have a few new mates coming to the races this year, so I took them to the Turnbull to get them used to the etiquette without a huge crowd.
As for that story of the drunks deliberately spooking the horse that’s not on, If I see anyone do that I will most likely clobber them.
I have a few new mates coming to the races this year, so I took them to the Turnbull to get them used to the etiquette without a huge crowd.
As for that story of the drunks deliberately spooking the horse that’s not on, If I see anyone do that I will most likely clobber them.
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i agree in that people shouldn't just go and get smashed.
I don't find classy people are the ones wearing suits. I find classy people in that the person who at the end of the day, whilst might be very drunk on the inside, how's enough control of himself to not look like from the outside.
I don't go to the races often - i like a good bet as well, but i want to be able to study. And the only way to study is to sit and home and watch the races over the day, get a feel for the track etc,. And punt accordingly. Obviousbly you can't do this all the time - but when i'm having a serious bet, i spend a bit of time into it.
Can't comment on betting at the track - the only time i ever bet big is when i'm at home. If i'm at the pub, or at the track i don't bet much at all. I tend to do very stupid bets when i've had a little bit to drink.
As for the suits. Whenever i go, provided it's carnival time, i will suit up. But i don't go all that often. And i don't believe people should "have to suit up". It's their choice. My choice is to don the suit, others isn't. thats up to them.
I don't find classy people are the ones wearing suits. I find classy people in that the person who at the end of the day, whilst might be very drunk on the inside, how's enough control of himself to not look like from the outside.
I don't go to the races often - i like a good bet as well, but i want to be able to study. And the only way to study is to sit and home and watch the races over the day, get a feel for the track etc,. And punt accordingly. Obviousbly you can't do this all the time - but when i'm having a serious bet, i spend a bit of time into it.
Can't comment on betting at the track - the only time i ever bet big is when i'm at home. If i'm at the pub, or at the track i don't bet much at all. I tend to do very stupid bets when i've had a little bit to drink.
As for the suits. Whenever i go, provided it's carnival time, i will suit up. But i don't go all that often. And i don't believe people should "have to suit up". It's their choice. My choice is to don the suit, others isn't. thats up to them.
ITG.
Professional Punter. Sounds interesting doesnt it. But its not the glamorous job that people percieve. A couple that I know that still are successful, well they put in about 70 hours each a week. Be prepared for hard work and be prepared to shut your mouth and listen.
Not getting a bet on, as a pro, is no one elses fault but your own. If its your business then you must have contingency plans.
Anyway good luck. Baby steps is the way to go.
BTW. The most successful pros are not known.
Professional Punter. Sounds interesting doesnt it. But its not the glamorous job that people percieve. A couple that I know that still are successful, well they put in about 70 hours each a week. Be prepared for hard work and be prepared to shut your mouth and listen.
Not getting a bet on, as a pro, is no one elses fault but your own. If its your business then you must have contingency plans.
Anyway good luck. Baby steps is the way to go.
BTW. The most successful pros are not known.
i just don't bother going to big races anymore. unfortunately no matter how stupidly they behave, they are the ones that fund these big races through their attendance and raise the profile of the sport.
as for wearing t-shirts at the races i don't see a problem. i wear a t-shirt and jeans for midweek and weekend races outside the spring carnival why would i dress up especially? half the people there are wearing cheap suits or don't have their ties done properly or are having a chuck. i'd hardly call it a 'classy' environment and anyone who believes that are kidding themselves.
the only way to solve this problem would be to ban alcohol outside members areas but this will never happen because the 'fans' will be turned away. fact is the culture of the spring carnival is to dress up and make yourself think your classy then get as drunk as you can in as little time as you can.
if you don't want to experience this either fork out for a good marquee or become a member. otherwise do what i do and spend the day in your local tab taking advantage of these morons money
as for wearing t-shirts at the races i don't see a problem. i wear a t-shirt and jeans for midweek and weekend races outside the spring carnival why would i dress up especially? half the people there are wearing cheap suits or don't have their ties done properly or are having a chuck. i'd hardly call it a 'classy' environment and anyone who believes that are kidding themselves.
the only way to solve this problem would be to ban alcohol outside members areas but this will never happen because the 'fans' will be turned away. fact is the culture of the spring carnival is to dress up and make yourself think your classy then get as drunk as you can in as little time as you can.
if you don't want to experience this either fork out for a good marquee or become a member. otherwise do what i do and spend the day in your local tab taking advantage of these morons money
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I don't care what people wear during the rest of the year, but as for the spring, whats so hard about throwing on a suit, shirt & tie?
Look if you want to wear a tee-shirt & jeans to the races, there are well over 350 country meetings to visit, come the spring, lets get the city tracks looking stylish by going to some sort of effort.
Look if you want to wear a tee-shirt & jeans to the races, there are well over 350 country meetings to visit, come the spring, lets get the city tracks looking stylish by going to some sort of effort.
its usually hot, people are crowded together in the heat and drunks always manage to spill beer on your suit.
comfort aside however, media portrays a fake image of what these racedays actually are. they are not classy gatherings or a return to old times when people would dress up and attend the races. its more like a high school ball where everyone dresses up (in most cases with no sense of style) and gets drunk.
you wouldn't wear a suit to the afl grand final would you? similar crowd size and the cost of a ticket is twice that of the races. its just because the racing public is told that 'races are classy' and that 'you have to dress up and look good'. anyone who really knows the races knows that this isn't true.
real race fans go either for the love of the sport, or to make a serious attempt at gaining a profit through wagering. it is their choice whether or not they wish to participate in the suggested dress code and i commend them on that.
like i said i no longer go to big races anyway so this doesn't apply, however i respect their right to choice.
comfort aside however, media portrays a fake image of what these racedays actually are. they are not classy gatherings or a return to old times when people would dress up and attend the races. its more like a high school ball where everyone dresses up (in most cases with no sense of style) and gets drunk.
you wouldn't wear a suit to the afl grand final would you? similar crowd size and the cost of a ticket is twice that of the races. its just because the racing public is told that 'races are classy' and that 'you have to dress up and look good'. anyone who really knows the races knows that this isn't true.
real race fans go either for the love of the sport, or to make a serious attempt at gaining a profit through wagering. it is their choice whether or not they wish to participate in the suggested dress code and i commend them on that.
like i said i no longer go to big races anyway so this doesn't apply, however i respect their right to choice.
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if i was going into the member's i'd go suit no problem, but in the outer i just couldn't be stuffed. i wear a suit 2-3 days a week for work and that's enough for me, if i can get by without wearing one on weekends i will.Im The Gun said:
Deej said:
Agreed. Give me someone wearing neat casual clothes who behaves responsibly and is a genuine racing fan anyday over someone who goes a few times a year in a suit and behaves like a total tosser.
As a lover of horse racing and a regular on course punter I too have sacked the Spring Carnival and am doing my watching at betting at home. The highly succesful promotion of classic racing days as giant grog fuelled pick up parties may have the turnstiles clicking but at some cost. The carnival now attracts the biggest horde of drunken kids this side of schoolies week and unlike other licensed premises, civil behavior appears entirely optional. Racing Victoria might love sprouting crowd figures but it is about time they started taking responsiblity for the anti social behavior of many of the ****************s they admit and then sell alcohol to until they throw up, fall asleep or get into a fight ( or all three ).
Agreed get some class and behave properly, there are plenty of pubs you can go to to lay a bet, watch the races and get smashed. The actual race meet is worth not acting like a complete idiot for. I like too see horses in the flesh before I bet, so i like to go to the races, i have disovered a similar problem to 'I'm the gun!'. But i reckon you can relax the dress a bit, but still shirt and tie
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I just don't want to see jeans and tee-shirts at the races during the spring, a shirt & tie is fine IMO.DaveT said:
It's not the big issue here, I was more **********ed off about the drunks thinking that the races are about getting as drunk as you can.
I saw some of the lowest things I think I'll ever see on a race track last week, girls being tackled into the mud when walking across the lawn, fighting, throwing up before midday.
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Im The Gun said:
Dress shouldn't be an issue, unless you're in the members or corporate.
Unfortunately a lot of the people that show up are just part of a coporate group, and don't really care what happens on the track. I've seen it time and time again. I suspect these people, coupled with the "race to get drunk girls" and the "only showed up to try and get a f**k" guys, it makes for a terrible day. I refused my corporate ticket this year, and I will again next year.
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I'll be in the members tomorrow, hobnobbing with Melbourne social elite and others like myself who've scored free tickets...
