Play Nice Indigenous AFL players call out Adam Goodes's treatment ahead of The Final Quarter documentary release

[Monkey King]

Every dark-skinned person in this country who speaks publicly about race is always subject to a load of abuse.

The universally admired Andrew McLeod is a good example of how this isn’t true. And I think the difference in how each advocated for constitutional change, probably highlights one of the reasons why. While McLeod’s perspective was of a more inclusive “shared story”, Goodes took the “so just remember whose lands you’re on” angle.

I didn’t need to be sold on this issue. I’m already in complete agreement with Goodes and McLeod. And yet as people, I was as impressed with how McLeod spoke as I was put off by Goodes. Variables of race and racial issues have been situationally factored out here; what remains is a difference in how each presented themselves and their ideas.

 

[Leeda]

God says he is a felon for disputing our right to splash our hedonistic values around..
see it is a rank and righteous values that gets him to anywhere we are that supports his nation..

 

[Leeda]

The universally admired Andrew McLeod is a good example of how this isn’t true. And I think the difference in how each advocated for constitutional change, probably highlights one of the reasons why. While McLeod’s perspective was of a more inclusive “shared story”, Goodes took the “so just remember whose lands you’re on” angle.

I didn’t need to be sold on this issue. I’m already in complete agreement with Goodes and McLeod. And yet as people, I was as impressed with how McLeod spoke as I was put off by Goodes. Variables of race and racial issues have been situationally factored out here; what remains is a difference in how each presented themselves and their ideas.

Andy McLeod is always welcome to the micellar world of longevity. and certain to create a lot of prosperity when they talk unanimously...

 

[SherbertLemon]

Yeah. I'll stick up for Lindsay any day. He's got more heart in his little finger than you have ion your entire body.

He didn't create any rule. The AFL created that rule because the most fragile prone player in the AFL f’ed up and pricks like you blame LT. You're just making my point for me.

Watch a replay of that incident - LT got a free for the head high hit from Rohan (who basically jumped on his back with his elbow out,) and then was offered a 2 game ban that was thrown laughed out by the tribunal. Still, you claimed he was in the wrong. I wonder why.

I'm not arguing the diver has no heart, he can certainly beat me in all things related to long jump.

I'm justing saying the booing wasn't racially motivated. Thank you for proving my point, even though you had to get personal.

We're arguing football now, I respectfully disagree with the fact that he wasn't a dog for going in feet first into the contest.

I really don't care about that now.

My point is the booing wasn't racially motivated.

If you then come out and call out a whole supporter base as being racist, then you're a race-baiting fool who has just put gasoline on the fire for your own political purposes.

 

[Monkey King]

Andy McLeod is always welcome to the micellar world of longevity. and certain to create a lot of prosperity when they talk unanimously...

I’m sure Andrew McLeod would be welcome to a lot of places. Terrific speaker with an ability to draw upon the empathy of his audience. His address to the U.N. in Geneva was another example of this.

 

[Leeda]

I’m sure Andrew McLeod would be welcome to a lot of places. Terrific speaker with an ability to draw upon the empathy of his audience. His address to the U.N. in Geneva was another example of this.

He is not divisive as such..so he allows himself the opportunity to 'hang about'..

 

[ferball]

I'm not arguing the diver has no heart, he can certainly beat me in all things related to long jump.

I'm justing saying the booing wasn't racially motivated. Thank you for proving my point, even though you had to get personal.

We're arguing football now, I respectfully disagree with the fact that he wasn't a dog for going in feet first into the contest.

I really don't care about that now.

My point is the booing wasn't racially motivated.

If you then come out and call out a whole supporter base as being racist, then you're a race-baiting fool who has just put gasoline on the fire for your own political purposes.

I didn't call your booing racially motivated actually but I certainly have my own opinion on that, I just had a go at "you lot" cos **** *. The only grounds where white adults physically attacked me as a black kid were Windy Hill and Vic Park so while the whole supporter base might not be racist enough of you pricks were the day Jimmy belted Mark Harvey.

What I did do was call Lindsay's treatment by the AFL community and your opinion of that incident racist tho. (Given that is the subtext of this discussion thread.) And you've proved that with your description of what happened - instead of describing what actually happened you're framing it as something else entirely. Criminalising legitimate action is a racist thing and has been throughout history. Well done.

You say the rule is bad but blame him for making it (even tho he didn't) so which is it? Providing impossible double binds to bad jacket people is another long term racist technique. Good one J Edgar Sherbert.

 

[ferball]

The universally admired Andrew McLeod is a good example of how this isn’t true. And I think the difference in how each advocated for constitutional change, probably highlights one of the reasons why. While McLeod’s perspective was of a more inclusive “shared story”, Goodes took the “so just remember whose lands you’re on” angle.

I didn’t need to be sold on this issue. I’m already in complete agreement with Goodes and McLeod. And yet as people, I was as impressed with how McLeod spoke as I was put off by Goodes. Variables of race and racial issues have been situationally factored out here; what remains is a difference in how each presented themselves and their ideas.

Its a pretty constant thing throughout Australian history that black people have to be concilatory, inclusive and even submissive in their political discussions about this stuff. That they have to make allowance for the insecurities fears and whatever other baggage white Australia has while white Australia - well some of them people will go out of their way to be inclusive and and conciliatory. Most of them couldn't be bothered giving it but feel entitled to receive it whenever some minority opens their mouth and go all Sam Newman hate face when they don't get their petty litte egos massaged.

Good on McLeod for showing the inclusive, shared humanity attitude we rarely see from white Australia. You're right about him being a quality person. That is an exceptional level of human integrity.

But why should all blackfellas in this debate be held to that standard when the other side has the likes Maguire and Newman talking their garbage? Its a clear double standard.

And I'm not having a go at you about this but that double standard is very real and gets ignored all the time. Most people reading this thread probably think it doesn't exist.

 

[SherbertLemon]

I didn't call your booing racially motivated actually but I certainly have my own opinion on that, I just had a go at "you lot" cos fu** *. The only grounds where white adults physically attacked me as a black kid were Windy Hill and Vic Park so while the whole supporter base might not be racist enough of you pricks were the day Jimmy belted Mark Harvey.

What I did do was call Lindsay's treatment by the AFL community and your opinion of that incident racist tho. (Given that is the subtext of this discussion thread.) And you've proved that with your description of what happened - instead of describing what actually happened you're framing it as something else entirely. Criminalising legitimate action is a racist thing and has been throughout history. Well done.

You say the rule is bad but blame him for making it (even tho he didn't) so which is it? Providing impossible double binds to bad jacket people is another long term racist technique. Good one J Edgar Sherbert.

Christ some of the shit people spin.
I really think it sucks that you were accosted by arseh*le racists back in the day. That sucks.
But we're talking about today.
Today I dislike the way players play like Lindsay, Mitchell, Walters, Selwood.
I don't want to physically attack them. Jesus.
Why won't you get this - HIS SKIN COLOUR DOESN'T MATTER.
It's football. There are supporters who don't like other teams players.

But you call me a racist over this kind of trivial shit.
It's actually a really awful thing to say to someone but it's been normalised these days by hysterical ideologues.
I can't change that. If you and Goodes want to perpetuate the victim narrative then fire away.
It's only going to fester and decay and create greater racial division.
I wish you good luck and all the success in the world.

 

[Floppy]

Christ some of the s**t people spin.
I really think it sucks that you were accosted by a-hole racists back in the day. That sucks.
But we're talking about today.
Today I dislike the way players play like Lindsay, Mitchell, Walters, Selwood.
I don't want to physically attack them. Jesus.
Why won't you get this - HIS SKIN COLOUR DOESN'T MATTER.
It's football. There are supporters who don't like other teams players.

But you call me a racist over this kind of trivial s**t.
It's actually a really awful thing to say to someone but it's been normalised these days by hysterical ideologues.
I can't change that. If you and Goodes want to perpetuate the victim narrative then fire away.
It's only going to fester and decay and create greater racial division.
I wish you good luck and all the success in the world.

Couldn't agree more.

I don't give a flying flap about what color your skin is, where you were born, what clothes you want to wear, who you cuddle at night, I just could not give a shit. All I care about is people treat each other nicely, and racism is not nice and should be stamped out.

I dislike Goodes, think he played for free's, sooked at umpires, and was around just an idiot IMO, nothing to do with his origins.

To me all this crap has gone to far, I have nothing to do with what happened when Australia was settled, do I feel bad that this happened to people? Hell yeah, for sure, it shouldn't happen to anyone, and being of German heritage, I hate to think what my past family may of been put through.

 

[ferball]

Christ some of the s**t people spin.
I really think it sucks that you were accosted by a-hole racists back in the day. That sucks.
But we're talking about today.
Today I dislike the way players play like Lindsay, Mitchell, Walters, Selwood.
I don't want to physically attack them. Jesus.
Why won't you get this - HIS SKIN COLOUR DOESN'T MATTER.
It's football. There are supporters who don't like other teams players.

But you call me a racist over this kind of trivial s**t.
It's actually a really awful thing to say to someone but it's been normalised these days by hysterical ideologues.
I can't change that. If you and Goodes want to perpetuate the victim narrative then fire away.
It's only going to fester and decay and create greater racial division.
I wish you good luck and all the success in the world.

I didn't call you a racist.

I called the things you posted racist. And I only did that because of the garbage you typed after I made my opinions on LT public.

That's a significant difference and a good part of mid 20th century philosophy went into clarifying it. I didn't make any comment about your booing other than to say i have a private opinion on it.

What you've described him doing is inaccurate, vitriolic and happened in the context of his racist treatment by the wider AFL community. Its what you did. Examine yourself and try and improve. You have lied about what he did to Rohan and tried to defend it by saying "I don't like these players either." I don't give a **** about your feelings. You criminalised a players actions and the only context for it in this discussion is race. That is racist by definition.

I've specifically explained to you why your actions - typing those follow up comments - and the comments themselves were racist. If you don't like it don't bloody do it any more.

I defended him against his public treatment by the media and you responded with this:

See I thought someone would say something like this.

Your first response is instantly “RACISM WHOOAA” *massive monologue*

Dude, he was a diving spud who almost single handedly created contact below the knees, an awful rule.

But everything is always conflated and boiled down to someone’s skin colour.

See that bolded bit. You were trolling and now you're whinging about being called on it.

You might think he and Selwood were duckers I dunno. Selwood copped little to no media criticism about it but Lindsay wore bucket loads.

To the point where he was paying tribute in a post game interview to he and Daniel Wells' dead uncle, whose funeral they'd missed because they had to play that evening and Cameron Ling used that oppportunity to hassle him about ducking. Ling never hassled Selwood for example and neither did the rest of the AFL media. The only difference ebtween them was Lindsay's skin colour.

It had everything to do with what i was talking about.

 

[Tinyparts]

Its a pretty constant thing throughout Australian history that black people have to be concilatory, inclusive and even submissive in their political discussions about this stuff.

Heres an easier way of looking at it Mcleod: Hey guys lets all have a chat about these issues and try find a solution
Goodes: This is how i think it is and if you dont agree then stuff you
Side note not everybody that didnt like the way Goodes went about it is/was white

The only difference ebtween them was Lindsay's skin colour.

Pretty bold assumption mate

 

[Maddo11]

Heres an easier way of looking at it Mcleod: Hey guys lets all have a chat about these issues and try find a solution
Goodes: Hey guys lets all have a chat about these issues and try find a solution

FTFY

 

[Floppy]

Ling never hassled Selwood for example and neither did the rest of the AFL media.

I hate Selwood more than Goodes for his crap, guess I am now racist towards white people too.

 

[Tinyparts]

FTFY

lol cheers
Look at the end of the day it is always going to be a divisive argument with both sides putting forth their beliefs(the booing, not racism, theres no "sides" for that nonsense) but simply by saying Goodes was targeted for "speaking out" is rubbish
Long and Winmar also made very public statements and were welcomed for doing so(aside from the obvious minority of morons) and are viewed as heroes

 

[Floppy]

It was the aggressive delivery that I think annoyed a lot of people.
Goodes had a point, no argument there, I think some also think he went over board with the 13 year old girl, pointing a finger at a 13 year old girl is pretty frightening when she didn't even understand what she was saying, but Goodes came good on that front the next day, he said he went to far in the moment, and she is just as much as a victim in it all.

 

[ferball]

Heres an easier way of looking at it Mcleod: Hey guys lets all have a chat about these issues and try find a solution
Goodes: This is how i think it is and if you dont agree then stuff you
Side note not everybody that didnt like the way Goodes went about it is/was white

I know that and I also know plenty of blackfellas who didn't like Goodes then and don't now for a variety of other reasons too.

However what i said is true. Its what happens. You can look at it how you like but that doesn't change it.

Pretty bold assumption mate

It seems pretty bloody obvious to me.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

I'm not arguing the diver has no heart, he can certainly beat me in all things related to long jump.

I'm justing saying the booing wasn't racially motivated. Thank you for proving my point, even though you had to get personal.

We're arguing football now, I respectfully disagree with the fact that he wasn't a dog for going in feet first into the contest.

I really don't care about that now.

My point is the booing wasn't racially motivated.

If you then come out and call out a whole supporter base as being racist, then you're a race-baiting fool who has just put gasoline on the fire for your own political purposes.

Exactly.

It’s disgusting how quickly people can label others racist with no definitive proof, and not be held accountable for their accusations.

Its defamation but its been so normalised by people just to win an arguement or silence an opposing opinion.

 

[ferball]

I hate Selwood more than Goodes for his crap, guess I am now racist towards white people too.

I dunno about that but its pretty obvious you have reading comprehension issues.

 

[ferball]

Exactly.

It’s disgusting how quickly people can label others racist with no definitive proof, and not be held accountable for their accusations.

Its defamation but its been so normalised by people just to win an arguement or silence an opposing opinion.

I spelt out exactly why I called his comments racist.

Repeatedly.

 

[Floppy]

I dunno about that but its pretty obvious you have reading comprehension issues.

Oh no doubt, probably be called a ******ed prick in most forums, because everyone here knows everyone personally too.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

I spelt out exactly why I called his comments racist.

Repeatedly.

I wasnt directing my comment at you.

Directing it at the pro-Goodes supporters in general that draw a line between booing and racism.

 

[ferball]

I wasnt directing my comment at you.

Directing it at the pro-Goodes supporters in general that draw a line between booing and racism.

Ok fair enough. Sorry.

 

[Tinyparts]

It seems pretty bloody obvious to me.

I disagree. What if I said nothing is getting done about Walters flopping because of his skin colour? Its the same argument imo
I dont believe jumping to a race based conclusion on something like that is right. I mean look at the football media. Lingy would most likely not go after Selwood because they played together or simply because it wasnt flavour of the month.
But hey i could be wrong on that i just dont want to be(if that makes sense)

 

[Hawk_francais]

The universally admired Andrew McLeod is a good example of how this isn’t true. And I think the difference in how each advocated for constitutional change, probably highlights one of the reasons why. While McLeod’s perspective was of a more inclusive “shared story”, Goodes took the “so just remember whose lands you’re on” angle.

I didn’t need to be sold on this issue. I’m already in complete agreement with Goodes and McLeod. And yet as people, I was as impressed with how McLeod spoke as I was put off by Goodes. Variables of race and racial issues have been situationally factored out here; what remains is a difference in how each presented themselves and their ideas.

Don't start Monkey King