Roast Inner Feral Fan Unleashed - Warning - Unbridled, passionate, and objectionable opinions within

[Wickzki]

It's like I tell my stepson with his basketball. If you're standing still on offence, you're doing something wrong. Work around the arc. Cut through the key. Set screens. Pick and roll. They don't have to use you, but you're giving your teammate options and making the defence work

Spot on. Movement - without the ball - is the single most important skill in basketball and is almost always the difference between a good team and a poor one (in particular in juniors and levels beneath the absolute pros).

I can definitely see how it applies to football too.

 

[Faz 2000]

Marchbank to defence in the Gov role and Gov as the third forward …

Setting aside the fact Marchbank can't string 2 quarters together, let alone 2 games, let alone 22 games..... I feel like that's been played out and McLovin has demonstrated he doesn't have the stuff to consistently impact games as a forward. He should, but he doesn't. He seems to have an incredible ability to not be involved in the play as a forward. His possession numbers were bizarrely low for someone in that role.

I think he's looked vastly better with the game coming at him as a backman. Yes, his flakiness and occasional brain-explosions may cost us some back there, but the benefit he brings in terms of intercepting (something we suck at) and attacking run/kicking from the backline (something we suck at more) makes up for it in my eyes.

He's really on his last chance for mine. We've got a rubbish ROI on the investment we've made with him, and the last glimmer of hope I see that it could pan out is with him alongside Weiters and Young in the backline.

Ideally we would have an explosive mid-sized type forward who can rotate through the midfield and play a small full forward role, but that type simply does not exist on our roster. So I'd advocate in the meantime for Big H, Charlie, and a swag of smalls to maximise pressure, movement and mid-rotation options. JSOS not good enough (BLAM, take that Bambi's mum) and Jack Martin clearly can't be bothered with AFL football. So young energetic smalls it is.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Marchbank to defence in the Gov role and Gov as the third forward …

Marchbank is too risky, needs to prove himself in the VFL...

If JSOS doesn't start standing up...
Would like to see Kemp to defence and McGovern as the 3rd forward...

 

[Brackets]

Setting aside the fact Marchbank can't string 2 quarters together, let alone 2 games, let alone 22 games..... I feel like that's been played out and McLovin has demonstrated he doesn't have the stuff to consistently impact games as a forward. He should, but he doesn't. He seems to have an incredible ability to not be involved in the play as a forward. His possession numbers were bizarrely low for someone in that role.

He did, from memory, play most of those matches as the second tall forward though. The key benefit of him playing as the third tall forward is that he is an accurate shot at goal, which is what you need from the role given the limited opportunities.

 

[NavySteel]

Clarko or Ross would have got us to top 4 last season.

 

[PrendersBigEngine]

Clarko or Ross would have got us to top 4 last season.

just had a convo with Mrs PBE on this very topic. Maybe correct. But if that happened im not sure my passion for the club that ive followed for 50 years would be the same. I struggled enough with Maltouse. Winning is not everything.

 

[JustaBattler]

Clarko or Ross would have got us to top 4 last season.

I don't think it was Voss that mucked up season '22 mate.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

He did, from memory, play most of those matches as the second tall forward though. The key benefit of him playing as the third tall forward is that he is an accurate shot at goal, which is what you need from the role given the limited opportunities.

The club was also in the beginning of a full rebuild, with a bunch of youngsters getting games pumped into them along with a slow crab movement game style from Bolts, which was at times hard to watch even excepting the circumstances, no forward was going to consistently be kicking the types of numbers we needed compared to how much better off we are today…

Even counting the improvement still needed within & entering our F50 still you would think he could be very dangerous as the third tall forward in today’s team, conundrum is he gives us exactly what we need but don’t have another type with his ability as a third intercepting tall…

 

[Bostonian]

Hewett is more important to our midfield than Cripps these days.

 

[NavySteel]

I don't think it was Voss that mucked up season '22 mate.

Just a knee-jerk unreasonable and questionable opinion…

 

[BlueTongue]

Hewett is more important to our midfield than Cripps these days.

Not so sure I agree. I think we actually depend on him (Crippa) too much.

 

[Arr0w]

Wait till we have a real unexpected loss, our board will go into absolute meltdown.

But, all sides throughout the year have those games, you only need to look at the top 4 sides from last year, dropping games and or close wins, to bottom 6 sides

It feels like the pessimistic, "wait for a loss" poster is busting at the seam, to claim "I told you so"

Yes, we have shown inconsistency, yes there are periods we look putrid, but we haven't lost and it's still difficult to gauge a formline throughout the competition

Now, you can't sustain winning games, consistently, with contests 2 goals and under (Pies will be an interesting watch this year), but it's still better than the alternative

IMHO, we were never a top 4 side this year (although you never set a ceiling), we were a team that was capable of 13-15 H&A games

The last 20, 10, or even last year, has nothing to do with this year

At what point do people look forward, or at the very least, enjoy the ride, no matter the speed humps

 

[Kruezing]

Wait till we have a real unexpected loss, our board will go into absolute meltdown.

But, all sides throughout the year have those games, you only need to look at the top 4 sides from last year, dropping games and or close wins, to bottom 6 sides

It feels like the pessimistic, "wait for a loss" poster is busting at the seam, to claim "I told you so"

Yes, we have shown inconsistency, yes there are periods we look putrid, but we haven't lost and it's still difficult to gauge a formline throughout the competition

Now, you can't sustain winning games, consistently, with contests 2 goals and under (Pies will be an interesting watch this year), but it's still better than the alternative

IMHO, we were never a top 4 side this year (although you never set a ceiling), we were a team that was capable of 13-15 H&A games

The last 20, 10, or even last year, has nothing to do with this year

At what point do people look forward, or at the very least, enjoy the ride, no matter the speed humps

At which point this team delivers something out of the ordinary … maybe a run of 10 straight wins or something similar … supporters I think have lost trust in the team the club etc over the last few years … it’s gonna take something extraordinary for that trust to be restored and for the majority of Carlton supporters to believe again … so in the time it takes for that to happen not all of us are gonna be on the same page and that’s ok … that’s what these forums are for I guess …

 

[JustaBattler]

Wait till we have a real unexpected loss, our board will go into absolute meltdown.

But, all sides throughout the year have those games, you only need to look at the top 4 sides from last year, dropping games and or close wins, to bottom 6 sides

It feels like the pessimistic, "wait for a loss" poster is busting at the seam, to claim "I told you so"

Yes, we have shown inconsistency, yes there are periods we look putrid, but we haven't lost and it's still difficult to gauge a formline throughout the competition

Now, you can't sustain winning games, consistently, with contests 2 goals and under (Pies will be an interesting watch this year), but it's still better than the alternative

IMHO, we were never a top 4 side this year (although you never set a ceiling), we were a team that was capable of 13-15 H&A games

The last 20, 10, or even last year, has nothing to do with this year

At what point do people look forward, or at the very least, enjoy the ride, no matter the speed humps

People have unrealistic expectations of what can or can't be achieved with what coaches have got to work with. Every game will be a battle until the side improves its kicking and gets some finishing polish in the forward line - too much hangs on Harry and Charlie atm.

As for finishing positions in H&A - we will know by the bye.

 

[Arr0w]

At which point this team delivers something out of the ordinary … maybe a run of 10 straight wins or something similar … supporters I think have lost trust in the team the club etc over the last few years … it’s gonna take something extraordinary for that trust to be restored and for the majority of Carlton supporters to believe again … so in the time it takes for that to happen not all of us are gonna be on the same page and that’s ok … that’s what these forums are for I guess …

If people are waiting for streak of 10 wins, to enjoy our progression, that would be sad

We don't have to be on the same page, but IMHO, stating XYZ is poor without a morsel of what could improve a situation, is merely whining, or with some, wanting certain players in/out of the side based purely on bias

 

[agro]

At which point this team delivers something out of the ordinary … maybe a run of 10 straight wins or something similar … supporters I think have lost trust in the team the club etc over the last few years … it’s gonna take something extraordinary for that trust to be restored and for the majority of Carlton supporters to believe again … so in the time it takes for that to happen not all of us are gonna be on the same page and that’s ok … that’s what these forums are for I guess …

Yes that’s what we need a boxed set of 10 DVDs “The Streak” to show we’ve arrived as an AFL force - was that presented to the throng of adoring St Kilda supporters last night together with their 27 wooden spoons, one premiership cup and Molly Meldrum’s wrinkled arse.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

At what point do people look forward, or at the very least, enjoy the ride, no matter the speed humps

It's a fair point, I was actually thinking the same thing this morning out on my walk. I reckon many supporters - self included - often get too anxious about the result right now, without actually sitting back to enjoy the ride we're currently on.

It's also easy to forget where we came from....in the space of just four seasons we've gone from the complete train wreck we were at the end of 2018 (below), to currently sitting in the top 4. Whether it's sustainable the rest of the year remains to be seen, but sometimes I just need to remind myself to sit back and enjoy the ride, along with the speed humps that will inevitably occur.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If people are waiting for streak of 10 wins, to enjoy our progression, that would be sad

We don't have to be on the same page, but IMHO, stating XYZ is poor without a morsel of what could improve a situation, is merely whining, or with some, wanting certain players in/out of the side based purely on bias

Just take it week by week and hope for not more injuries (gutted that Owies did his hammy and is out for a few weeks)

I am annoyed reading some posts suggesting we should hammer North/get a percentage boost next week.

Putting 4 precious points in the bank is all that matters right now (percentage can come later, we got a generously soft final month of the season fixture wise)

 

[Michael Jezz]

Wait till we have a real unexpected loss, our board will go into absolute meltdown.

But, all sides throughout the year have those games, you only need to look at the top 4 sides from last year, dropping games and or close wins, to bottom 6 sides

It feels like the pessimistic, "wait for a loss" poster is busting at the seam, to claim "I told you so"

Yes, we have shown inconsistency, yes there are periods we look putrid, but we haven't lost and it's still difficult to gauge a formline throughout the competition

Now, you can't sustain winning games, consistently, with contests 2 goals and under (Pies will be an interesting watch this year), but it's still better than the alternative

IMHO, we were never a top 4 side this year (although you never set a ceiling), we were a team that was capable of 13-15 H&A games

The last 20, 10, or even last year, has nothing to do with this year

At what point do people look forward, or at the very least, enjoy the ride, no matter the speed humps

There is a difference between enjoying the ride and not reaching the premiership destination-Ask a StKilda fan

 

[Arr0w]

There is a difference between enjoying the ride and not reaching the premiership destination-Ask a StKilda fan

IMHO and stated previously, this is the first of our prime years. Making finals is the first step

Important to remember, finishing top 3, is the crucial aspect of being a genuine contender, 19 of the last 20 flags

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Just take it week by week and hope for not more injuries (gutted that Owies did his hammy and is out for a few weeks)

I am annoyed reading some posts suggesting we should hammer North/get a percentage boost next week.

Putting 4 precious points in the bank is all that matters right now (percentage can come later, we got a generously soft final month of the season fixture wise)

The way i see it we should be aiming to beat a team like North Melbourne pretty comfortably. We still haven't developed that killer instinct just yet i think.

The main thing is that we beat GWS, and we'll obviously take the four points whatever way they come.

I just want to see this team click and really go to town on someone. Hopefully we'll do just that next week against the Roos.

 

[Kruezing]

If people are waiting for streak of 10 wins, to enjoy our progression, that would be sad

We don't have to be on the same page, but IMHO, stating XYZ is poor without a morsel of what could improve a situation, is merely whining, or with some, wanting certain players in/out of the side based purely on bias

Ok

 

[Kruezing]

Yes that’s what we need a boxed set of 10 DVDs “The Streak” to show we’ve arrived as an AFL force - was that presented to the throng of adoring St Kilda supporters last night together with their 27 wooden spoons, one premiership cup and Molly Meldrum’s wrinkled arse.

Haha you’re funny Agro lol

 

[Gethelred]

Bump...

 

[bradfisher14]

Time to put a line through some of these passengers.