Roast Inner Feral Fan Unleashed - Warning - Unbridled, passionate, and objectionable opinions within

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I really don't get why, every year, people convince themselves that a grand final will be close. No, it won't. It doesn't have to be a contest; in some years, there's a clear winner before the ball's been bounced. It's also absolutely possible to limp into a GF; Sydney, GWS, Collingwood in 2011.

If you were ever going to fluke your way into a GF, it would be this year. Sydney won 2 games to make it; their victory against Melbourne is more noteworthy than their victory over Collingwood, but Melbourne were faltering themselves and they genuinely fell over the line against Collingwood. All season, Sydney would switch on and off within terms, and their worst was arguably as poor as anyone in the top 10.

Every year, people try and drum themselves up for the game, only to be let down by their own expectations. Don't go in with those expectations, and you're going to have a better time.
 
Gethelred said:
I really don't get why, every year, people convince themselves that a grand final will be close. No, it won't. It doesn't have to be a contest; in some years, there's a clear winner before the ball's been bounced. It's also absolutely possible to limp into a GF; Sydney, GWS, Collingwood in 2011.

If you were ever going to fluke your way into a GF, it would be this year. Sydney won 2 games to make it; their victory against Melbourne is more noteworthy than their victory over Collingwood, but Melbourne were faltering themselves and they genuinely fell over the line against Collingwood. All season, Sydney would switch on and off within terms, and their worst was arguably as poor as anyone in the top 10.

Every year, people try and drum themselves up for the game, only to be let down by their own expectations. Don't go in with those expectations, and you're going to have a better time.
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💯 this. There is almost always a clear cut better team every year and the next team is not even close. Happens in all sports. The disrespect Geelong got even after 13, 14 on the trot was baffling. They were leagues ahead of everyone in all aspects this year
 

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Our forward line is still dysfunctional.
If the long bomb isn't marked, we rarely have anyone front and square.
The guys with the ball often looks up to find a completely stagnant bunch of players thinking they are standing in acres of space no one else will get to.
We seem to forget to block and create space for each other.
Our half forwards are too slow to get back into space.
We rarely lead directly at the player with the ball.
 
While better sides can stiffle a gameplan, it becomes more imperative to be more disciplined, for longer, to adhere to your own system

While the backline held up incredibly well, the transition from deep in the bacline, to the wing was largely non-existent for large portions of the game

You just can't continue to bomb it long out of D50 and expect it to be effective. Either remain more patient, to exit with a short kick/mark, or run and carry/handball
 
Jabba73 said:
Our forward line is still dysfunctional.
If the long bomb isn't marked, we rarely have anyone front and square.
The guys with the ball often looks up to find a completely stagnant bunch of players thinking they are standing in acres of space no one else will get to.
We seem to forget to block and create space for each other.
Our half forwards are too slow to get back into space.
We rarely lead directly at the player with the ball.
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Our midfield sans Cripps and Walsh is overrated and many (aside from the kids) doesn't have enough high enough footy IQ (yet) or good enough kicks of the ball to give our forwards decent service.

And I think it's arguable you cannot coach some of those qualities in players, either they have that nous and skill to hit a leading forward target or they don't.

The Swans in the preseason absolutely exploited our midfield deficiencies.

Until we can rectify that, we were miles off being the top 4 team many expect us to be
 
Arr0w said:
While better sides can stiffle a gameplan, it becomes more imperative to be more disciplined, for longer, to adhere to your own system

While the backline held up incredibly well, the transition from deep in the bacline, to the wing was largely non-existent for large portions of the game

You just can't continue to bomb it long out of D50 and expect it to be effective. Either remain more patient, to exit with a short kick/mark, or run and carry/handball
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Too calm, analytical and measured for this thread?

The mental fortitude of this team is a disgrace. Compare it with a team like Collingwood, and it’s non-existent.

Patrick Cripps is probably the most over-rated player I have had the pleasure of watching. He is good but he is not a captain. His lack of decision making nous and calmness under pressure permeates through this team and is for all to see in the last 5 games.

McKay and Curnow could win the next 6 Coleman medals between them and I highly doubt we would make the 8.
 
Arr0w said:
While better sides can stiffle a gameplan, it becomes more imperative to be more disciplined, for longer, to adhere to your own system

While the backline held up incredibly well, the transition from deep in the bacline, to the wing was largely non-existent for large portions of the game

You just can't continue to bomb it long out of D50 and expect it to be effective. Either remain more patient, to exit with a short kick/mark, or run and carry/handball
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It is this that makes us vulnerable against any team (and why we lost to the Saints and Crows last year). We don’t get the return on investment for effort, which generally is pretty good.
 
LFTWNG11 said:
Too calm, analytical and measured for this thread?

The mental fortitude of this team is a disgrace. Compare it with a team like Collingwood, and it’s non-existent.

Patrick Cripps is probably the most over-rated player I have had the pleasure of watching. He is good but he is not a captain. His lack of decision making nous and calmness under pressure permeates through this team and is for all to see in the last 5 games.

McKay and Curnow could win the next 6 Coleman medals between them and I highly doubt we would make the 8.
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You can still be measured when being critical

Our mental fortitude, allowed us to improve last year from the previous year

We are 1 game in, so we need more data to determine our direction and or progress, but I believe we will win more games than last year

Ultimately for me, it will be more about the number/quality of layers that need to be added, to not only make finals, but to cement ourselves year after year
 
Crikey O'Riley, I thought I was a negative nelluy lol.

I think we should make the eight (our last 6-8 weeks of the fixture is a lot kinder than last year's) but still a bit off top 4

I am greatly heartened our drafting and young player development has improved ten fold in the last 3 or so years.

We fielded a lot younger/less experienced team than Spitmond don't forget, in hindsight a draw probably was the fair result on the night..

I strongly fancy our chances against The Catters, I really do.
 

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I watch lot of footy but I am not tactical expert but here is my take. Last year at time we looked a million dollars and scored at will but at the same time, teams scored heavily against us and came back from nowhere. This year we appear to have been working on being more defensive but have thrown out any sign of having an attacking flair. In other words, we have thrown the baby out with the bath water. I did not like what i saw on Thursday, i would rather lose trying to win and attack.
 
Arr0w said:
While better sides can stiffle a gameplan, it becomes more imperative to be more disciplined, for longer, to adhere to your own system

While the backline held up incredibly well, the transition from deep in the bacline, to the wing was largely non-existent for large portions of the game

You just can't continue to bomb it long out of D50 and expect it to be effective. Either remain more patient, to exit with a short kick/mark, or run and carry/handball
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We look at our best when moving it slowly and carefully out of the back half but even then the team seem to find it almost irresistible to bomb the ball long. Unless there is a wide open short it goes long.

It has been coached into them relentlessly to bomb the ball long - now it has become a compulsion for the players.

And I get it - we were extremely hard to score against on Thursday night and Voss will point to the gameplan of taking territory and ensuring the long kick forward gives us time to set up behind the ball defensively.

It just seems like there is no balance / nuance to it. It's all one thing - just bomb it - especially on F50 entries. We never ever get to within 70m of goal and then look for a short option inside. It just does not happen - and because of that we are the most predictable team in the comp. Good intercept marking defenders would love playing us.

Having said all that I do understand the defensive benefits but it just feels like we're setting a pretty low ceiling on what we can achieve with this gameplan. It doesn't seem like a premiership winning model.
 
teddy-hopkins said:
We look at our best when moving it slowly and carefully out of the back half but even then the team seem to find it almost irresistible to bomb the ball long. Unless there is a wide open short it goes long.

It has been coached into them relentlessly to bomb the ball long - now it has become a compulsion for the players.

And I get it - we were extremely hard to score against on Thursday night and Voss will point to the gameplan of taking territory and ensuring the long kick forward gives us time to set up behind the ball defensively.

It just seems like there is no balance / nuance to it. It's all one thing - just bomb it - especially on F50 entries. We never ever get to within 70m of goal and then look for a short option inside. It just does not happen - and because of that we are the most predictable team in the comp. Good intercept marking defenders would love playing us.

Having said all that I do understand the defensive benefits but it just feels like we're setting a pretty low ceiling on what we can achieve with this gameplan. It doesn't seem like a premiership winning model.
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I think what you and others need to understand is most if not all sides go long into F50, either to even numbers or a congested 50

The perfect gameplan ( doesn't exist) is quickish/safe ball movement deep in D50 either short kick/mark or by overlap handball, until HB-wing, then longer to open space/leading target, or to even numbers in the forward half

That's the staple for all clubs, no matter the speed

Defensive zones differ more depending the side

Kicker, every clubs knows each other's gameplan, the hardest element is trying to break it down, while being disciplined with your own strengths
 
I think we've bought into our own hype about how strong our clearance game is and how dynamic our big marking forwards are. That's what it looked like to me on Thursday. The 148 times we bombed it to the wing where our only hope was a contested grab from one of the big guys pointed that way.

We look a one trick pony team. If we're not crushing it out of the centre and tilting the field, it doesn't work. We're not good at covering the ground, our 2-way running and positioning looked WAY off Richmond's, and as an added bonus our footskills are - let's say - "bottom half of the AFL" to be generous.

The defenders are dour and honest, though not yet a well-oiled machine. Our big gun forward line is two legit guns (Harry and Charlie) and prettttty much 4 guys who barely deserve a game. (Motlop the exception, definitely deserves a game, but ideally would be the "kid" developing, not third picked in the forward line.)

Our one trick is a good trick, it'll win some games. But I hope Voss and co are looking real hard at Thursday because it had a huge stench of "same old same old" coming off it.

(This is the thread where I'm allowed to have a glass half empty sook, right?)
 
Faz 2000 said:
I think we've bought into our own hype about how strong our clearance game is and how dynamic our big marking forwards are. That's what it looked like to me on Thursday. The 148 times we bombed it to the wing where our only hope was a contested grab from one of the big guys pointed that way.

We look a one trick pony team. If we're not crushing it out of the centre and tilting the field, it doesn't work. We're not good at covering the ground, our 2-way running and positioning looked WAY off Richmond's, and as an added bonus our footskills are - let's say - "bottom half of the AFL" to be generous.

The defenders are dour and honest, though not yet a well-oiled machine. Our big gun forward line is two legit guns (Harry and Charlie) and prettttty much 4 guys who barely deserve a game. (Motlop the exception, definitely deserves a game, but ideally would be the "kid" developing, not third picked in the forward line.)

Our one trick is a good trick, it'll win some games. But I hope Voss and co are looking real hard at Thursday because it had a huge stench of "same old same old" coming off it.
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The way I see it is, you simply don't get better at your putting game spending all your time on the driving range.

You need to be shit, look shit and feel shit and work until what you're doing is no longer shit.
Faz 2000 said:
(This is the thread where I'm allowed to have a glass half empty sook, right?)
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(Yep)
 
We're still one tall marking player short in the forward half of the ground and two small to medium sized forwards from being dynamic enough to match it with the absolute creme playing at their best..Yet I still believe we can do most of it with the current list tho lots of room for improvement.

In an ideal world I'd love for Charlie Curnow to play the third tall role up forward. Combined with Pittonet into the side and TDK taking over the Jack Silvagni role as presently constituted is a big part of the solution for this year.

Right now structurally far too much is being asked of Harry and Charlie. Consequently both have a tendency to lose positive advantage when we force a turnover at halfback. The end result is what happened with the LOB play at the end of the game

Idealistically, I'd love for TDK and/or Harry to give an option at CHF while Charlie turns tail and gets deep with a Motlop/Durdin/Martin/Fisher getting into a supportive position should the ball drop. There's no third tall defender in the comp who has the cardio capacity of Charlie on the break.

As it is, Harry had to run 80m with three or four Richmond defenders knowing that he was the only viable option as both H and Charlie were overworked to be in position to support further up the ground. Unfortunately, Jack just doesn't have the physical attributes to be a contributor in this facet of the game.

Until this changes we will be working extra hard to get goals and lose a majority of what would be easy goal scoring opportunities.

The top teams on the rebound (i.e. the teams that make you pay) are the teams that play deep into finals.

Fix that and I'd be more confident against most teams in the competition. Don't fix it and we're a 6-12 ranked team at best fighting just to make it.
 
Wickzki said:
We're still one tall marking player short in the forward half of the ground and two small to medium sized forwards from being dynamic enough to match it with the absolute creme playing at their best..Yet I still believe we can do most of it with the current list tho lots of room for improvement.

In an ideal world I'd love for Charlie Curnow to play the third tall role up forward. Combined with Pittonet into the side and TDK taking over the Jack Silvagni role as presently constituted is a big part of the solution for this year.

Right now structurally far too much is being asked of Harry and Charlie. Consequently both have a tendency to lose positive advantage when we force a turnover at halfback. The end result is what happened with the LOB play at the end of the game

Idealistically, I'd love for TDK and/or Harry to give an option at CHF while Charlie turns tail and gets deep with a Motlop/Durdin/Martin/Fisher getting into a supportive position should the ball drop. There's no third tall defender in the comp who has the cardio capacity of Charlie on the break.

As it is, Harry had to run 80m with three or four Richmond defenders knowing that he was the only viable option as both H and Charlie were overworked to be in position to support further up the ground. Unfortunately, Jack just doesn't have the physical attributes to be a contributor in this facet of the game.

Until this changes we will be working extra hard to get goals and lose a majority of what would be easy goal scoring opportunities.

The top teams on the rebound (i.e. the teams that make you pay) are the teams that play deep into finals.

Fix that and I'd be more confident against most teams in the competition. Don't fix it and we're a 6-12 ranked team at best fighting just to make it.
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Marchbank to defence in the Gov role and Gov as the third forward …
 
outabounds said:
I watch lot of footy but I am not tactical expert but here is my take. Last year at time we looked a million dollars and scored at will but at the same time, teams scored heavily against us and came back from nowhere. This year we appear to have been working on being more defensive but have thrown out any sign of having an attacking flair. In other words, we have thrown the baby out with the bath water. I did not like what i saw on Thursday, i would rather lose trying to win and attack.
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Would not read too much into one round on all this. First few rounds can be very misleading if try to read into results or scoring as trends that indicate what season be like overall.
 
Kruezing said:
Marchbank to defence in the Gov role and Gov as the third forward …
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Think Gov's body is more suited to playing backline now

But I wouldn't mind it if it won't get him injured.
 
Jabba73 said:
Our forward line is still dysfunctional.
If the long bomb isn't marked, we rarely have anyone front and square.
The guys with the ball often looks up to find a completely stagnant bunch of players thinking they are standing in acres of space no one else will get to.
We seem to forget to block and create space for each other.
Our half forwards are too slow to get back into space.
We rarely lead directly at the player with the ball.
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Fix these things (which are really quite simple) and we're instantly top 4.
Our crumbing forwards have been an issue since Eddie, Jeffy and Yaz departed. They all pushed too far up the ground against Richmond, too often, and then didn't get back in time to crumb when attacking.
Happy for the Fisher/Martin types to push up a wing at times, but they should work to a rough rule of not going past the centre circle too often. The Owies, Motlop, Durdin types should push up to the flanks and try not to go too far past the attacking edge of the centre square.
And NEVER all at the same time!

The stagnant thing bothers me too. Movement creates opportunities. Statues are easy to defend.
You don't have to sprint everywhere and exhaust yourself, but jogging, even walking if your dragging a defender out of position, creates uncertainty and space.

It's like I tell my stepson with his basketball. If you're standing still on offence, you're doing something wrong. Work around the arc. Cut through the key. Set screens. Pick and roll. They don't have to use you, but you're giving your teammate options and making the defence work
 

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