Ins and Outs rnd2

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Out
Hartlett: suspended
Betts: Looks slow...still quick over 10 metres but otherwise can not keep up. I would rotate Gibbs and Houlihan through the pocket. Maybe Ellard?
OHailpin: Looks out of sorts. Probably only played because the other rucks were out.

In:
Hampson
Kreuzer
Pfieffer - injection of skill and toughness.

Also thinking about Ellard as a possible inclusion for Betts. Can play pocket and has good tank.

Would keep Bannister - his decision making is terrible but he can lock down a variety of players (tall-small, strong-fast). He can also play the entire match, which means more bench rotations for other players. Can see him playing off and on until Walker gets back.

I think bench management is going to be crucial in the first few weeks as Judd, Stevens, Hadley, (Bentick, Hampson, Pfieffer if they play) hit their straps. Would also look at putting more running workload on Carazzo and Jackson by playing more in the engine room.

I wouldn't really have considered omitting Betts, particularly given he kicked 2 goals (& that is his job), but your suggestion of bringing in Ellard in his place has some merit. He showed a lot in the pre-season, he is a real terrier/hard nut, who is always giving plenty. His downside is his disposal, but as a crumbing forward that is not so important. I can't see Betts being dropped just yet, but if he is, Ellard would be my choice to replace him.

 

[TorresIsGod]

Any chance that Brad Fisher could play?

He's still listed as 3-4, but I think he could play against the Saints.

IN: Fisher, Kreuzer, Hampson
OUT: Edwards (unlucky), Hartlett (suspended), Bower (ommitted)

If Hampson plays, he and Cloke share the ruck duties, Setanta plays key defensively, no room for Bower.

Fisher comes in, means that Edwards will not play (although he showed something, he'll get more opportunities).

Hartlett being suspended means that Kreuzer will predominantly play key forward, if Fisher isn't ready to go, then Edwards will probably keep his spot.

Banno will play and will get first crack at tagging Dal Santo.

Betts will play, if we are to make another change, a player like Grigg might miss out and Bentick plays if he's fit.

 

[DonFletch]

i was at the game last night, and hartlett didnt do to badly. What really stood out was when the half foward line led for the ball, they were ignored in preferance to a sideways kick or short kick, and then they were out of position....was happening all night ..
our backline is a massive problem...i seem to remember setanta playing his best footy for the club there, he cant ruck so i think its a no brainer, FB of CHB.

 

[TorresIsGod]

It wasn't the fault of Setanta or Ratten for him rucking last night, it was out of necessity, we had no-one else, which is why when Hampson plays, he'll play key defensively.

 

[Silvagnis]

Why is every third suggesting we drop Bower?

He will be a good player based on last night and will learn more from playing in the firsts.

We lack defenders and you're wanting to drop one.

Who on earth would replace him?

Saddington is soft and a waste of time.

 

[Doza]

I hope to god that Hartlett gets suspended he is so crap and i cant beleive Jordan Banister was playing total dud. I hope carlton gets rid of Banister, Hartlett and maybe Jackson or Edwards (have nothing against them just not ready for afl standards) and puts Hampson, Kreuzer, Russel and Pfeifer back in. And one thing that really annoyed me from watching the game last night was that Jamieson was playing on the best forward they have got. Bloody O'hailpin should be playing on him from start to finish. My team for round 2 would look something like this.

FB: P.Bower S.O'hAilpin M.Jamieson

HB: B.Thornton J.Waite H.Scotland

C: M.Murphy A.Carrazzo K.Simpson

HF: R.Houlihan M.Kreuzer B.Gibbs

FF: E.Betts B.Fevola J.Russell

RR: S.Hampson C.Judd N.Stevens

INT: A.O'hAilpin D.Feifer A.Bentick C.Cloke R.Jackson

And hopefully Fisher can hurry up and come in so he can let Gibbs run free in the mid.

This is a terrible post. Bannister did exactly the job we asked him to. Did a good job on Deledio. Have a listen to Ratten's press conference. He singles out Bannister for a good game. The only reason he will be dropped if is there is no tagging/shut down opponent for him. Stop bagging Bannister until you analyse the game properly.

You've named 5 on the bench including Aisake who is still injured.

Jackson is way better than Pfeiffer. He proved this last year but wasnt given much of a chance last night. We all want Pfeiffer to become good, but he hasnt showed enough yet. And it was Edwards first game, so go easy, we have no other options at the moment. And seriously Bentick? I'm sick of hearing about him. He showed great service, but he won't play again if we are going any good.

 

[Doza]

Some of these Outs and Ins are a bit crazy.

You cant just take out who you think were the worst 4, and bring in who you think are the next best 4. Its about team balance..if you are going to take out two potential backs in Grigg & Bannister for example, please dont bring in Armfield as their only replacement

Likewise with the forward line

Well said mate. It's just people who don't understand the game or our team properly.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

We should go in with a similar game plan as we had vs. the saints last year.

Jacko to run with Harvs

Murphy vs. Montagna

Hampson to come in for Carlos (unless we play him as a forward).

Bring Pfeiffer into the line up to win the hard ball.

Hartlett will be suspended.

and maybe Ellard could get a run - because I'm sick of Betts.

 

[Styxx]

Has Eddie Betts become the Jordan Bannister stand in or something?

Guy does his job, did it last night which is more than you can say about half the team at least.

Hartlett is out, I don't exactly know who else would be after that yet.

I'd bring Hampson in. Put him as first ruck move O'Ailphin down back and use Cloke as a possible part time forward to see if he can do that position.

 

[blues4flag]

Why is every third suggesting we drop Bower?

He will be a good player based on last night and will learn more from playing in the firsts.

We lack defenders and you're wanting to drop one.

Who on earth would replace him?

Saddington is soft and a waste of time.

Exactly.

Personally, I'm not so sure if Grigg is ready to be in the 22. Only second year - let him further develop in the 2's, and give one of Pfeiffer or Armfield a chance, who have been playing senior footy for a few years now and both are capable of a small/medium defensive position.

 

[Pratt = Premiers]

Hartlett is obviously gone, how long, don't know.

Other than that, i don't think anyone else dissappointed me that much.
Depending on who is available (Hampson, Kruizer, Fisher) i think the only logical change at this stage will be Saddinton for Hartlett. If we don't bring Saddington in, who is going to play on Reiwoldt, Kossie and Gehrig?? Jamieson will be good in the future, i have no doubt about that, but he doesn't have the strength to go with Gehrig. O'hAlpin will need to play back and take one of Kossie or Gehrig and Saddinton take the other. Waite will be an obvious choice for Reiwoldt. Bower could be an omission at the expense of Hampson if fit.

The other thing we lacked Thursday night was some toughness at the ball and some hard tackles. Wouldn't make any changes to the team due to this, but some of those guys running around the in the middle need to pull their finger out and have a crack. Watching the Geelong game after it, they just proved what hard tackling and running straight at the ball does.

My changes would be

Out:
Hartlett (suspension)
Bower

In:
Saddinton
Hampson.

Only reason i have Bower going out is we will be a bit top heavy down back if O'hAlpin goes down there and i'd like to give Jamieson a good run this year, i really think with a 20/30 games under his belt he will be a great player for us.
Midfield should stay the same for the time being, let them settle, get to know each others style of play. Tempting to give Pfiffer a run, but would hold back a few weeks yet. Get him biting at the bit to get out there.

Forward line played ok, but lacked someone who could kick straight, missed quite a few set shots, will put this down to start of season jitters, look forward to this improving.

 

[Murph_The_Smurf]

Well said mate. It's just people who don't understand the game or our team properly.

its not hard to understand our team.... alot of soft players

 

[Kramer1]

Kenneth your a tool

Here here...same goes for all of the other knobs running around claiming that the sky is falling.

The guys we are missing are structurally very important to the team...far more importnat than just thier individual contributions. Fisher is a target, and draws a quality tall defender, meaning Fev is not double and triple teamed every entry into the forward line.

Unfair to expect too much of Hampson at this stage, but he eases pressure on Cloke, and has the athleticism to push forward for a goal, or back to help out the defense, and could easily run with an athletic type like Simmonds (Don't rate Simmonds at all, but he didn't have a bad game).

This also means Setanta can stay back, and hopefully help out Jamieson, who was thrown around like a rag doll.

Walker provides rebound through the middle, something we sorely lacked on Thursday night. This will be the biggest obstacle to overcome, We were cut up by Richmond rebounding off their HB line.

Judd and Stevens will only get better. Judd must have had half a dozen clearances and 20+ possies...not a bad first up effort. Stevens spent too much time looking for cheap possessions out near the boundary. Hopefully with time he gets back to full confidence.

A bad game? Sure. End of the world? Not yet.

 

[Doza]

Good post Kramer. Agree with all of that. Some of the changes people are suggesting are just over the top after one round. But we will have to develop a mindset that we won't have Walker.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

As a tiger fan I thought Bannister did a great job.
I don't see a lot of future in dropping players like Bower,Edwards and Hartlett and from what I can gather about Ratten neither does he.
The finger should be pointed at guys who just keep letting you down.I am in no position to say who they might be,but I know at Richmond it goes on and surely must at Carlton?

 

[thylacine60]

Hartlett is obviously gone, how long, don't know.

Other than that, i don't think anyone else dissappointed me that much.
Depending on who is available (Hampson, Kruizer, Fisher) i think the only logical change at this stage will be Saddinton for Hartlett. If we don't bring Saddington in, who is going to play on Reiwoldt, Kossie and Gehrig?? Jamieson will be good in the future, i have no doubt about that, but he doesn't have the strength to go with Gehrig. O'hAlpin will need to play back and take one of Kossie or Gehrig and Saddinton take the other. Waite will be an obvious choice for Reiwoldt. Bower could be an omission at the expense of Hampson if fit.

The other thing we lacked Thursday night was some toughness at the ball and some hard tackles. Wouldn't make any changes to the team due to this, but some of those guys running around the in the middle need to pull their finger out and have a crack. Watching the Geelong game after it, they just proved what hard tackling and running straight at the ball does.

My changes would be

Out:
Hartlett (suspension)
Bower

In:
Saddinton
Hampson.

Only reason i have Bower going out is we will be a bit top heavy down back if O'hAlpin goes down there and i'd like to give Jamieson a good run this year, i really think with a 20/30 games under his belt he will be a great player for us.
Midfield should stay the same for the time being, let them settle, get to know each others style of play. Tempting to give Pfiffer a run, but would hold back a few weeks yet. Get him biting at the bit to get out there.

Forward line played ok, but lacked someone who could kick straight, missed quite a few set shots, will put this down to start of season jitters, look forward to this improving.

 

[jonoman89]

As a tiger fan I thought Bannister did a great job.
I don't see a lot of future in dropping players like Bower,Edwards and Hartlett and from what I can gather about Ratten neither does he.
The finger should be pointed at guys who just keep letting you down.I am in no position to say who they might be,but I know at Richmond it goes on and surely must at Carlton?

good post . there is no use dropping players who have to become the backbone of our future success....so what they may have had an average game, they are young and not very experienced - they will make mistakes. our team will benefit in the long run by playing them. players who should be dropped are repeat offenders who have no excuses.

dropping bower, edwards or betts is stupid. bower has shown a lot, edwards is neccessary in our undermanned forward line, and betts is our only small crumbing forward (though if we had another im sure he'd be dropped). bannister has also been good at shutting down lids and many other players - he doesn't get a gig every week because some teams don't have a suitable target for him.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

In: Bentick, Hampson
Out: Betts, Hartlett (susp).

Need a hard nut in the guts v the aints,
Betts looks unfit/lacks interest.

 

[Silvagnis]

Would you play Carlos dorward to replace Hartlett if Hampson plays?

Or down back on Gehrig with Waite thrown forward?

I think he might mind Koschitzke when he's thrown forward.

 

[BlueBelle]

Carlos and Waite would both need to play down back IMO.

Put Kreuz in a forward pocket

 

[TorresIsGod]

Why are people suggesting we keep Bower in the side?

He's shown nothing and he gives the ball away far too much, and if Saddington plays/O'hAilpin plays in defence, he doesn't fit in the side anyway...

 

[Silvagnis]

Why are people suggesting we keep Bower in the side?

Because he can play.

He's shown nothing and he gives the ball away far too much

And the "footballer" who centred a hospital ball to Judd and turned it over for a goal should stay in the side?

 

[TorresIsGod]

Yes, because he kept Delidio to 2 goals and 13 possessions, and 1 of those goals was from a freekick which was 50/50 and should have been play on, which would have resulted in a behind because Banno spoiled it.

Bower cant play, he's shown nothing at all in the games he's played, he doesn't deserve his spot.

 

[celtic_pride]

Drop Jamieson following that awful performance on Richo ..

I am sorry, but I tend not to be very forgiving when a player (Jammo) plays a deadset shocker, and doesn't deserve to be in the seniors the following week, even if we are short for decent defenders..

I'm off the Jamison bandwagon, back to Bullants he goes..
time to give more of a go to Bow-Wow (Bower) IMHO, for all his faults, he actually seems to play with hearts and guts, unlike Jamison against Richmond.

 

[TorresIsGod]

I'd have Jamison playing with a broken leg and a broken arm before I picked a 100% fit Bower