Ins and Outs vs Brisbane

[Smokin]

yea Myers isnt at the level right now. IF he isnt fit, its not fair on him to be out there because he looks lost in most aspects of AFL level. If he is fit...

His agility with the ball at or around ground level is mind-blowingly ordinary.

After Dempsey stupidly aired a ball which cost Hille his season, Myers against aired a ball which made poor Lonergan take a big hit he didnt have to. He has a fair bit to work on I would have thought.

In regards to ins/outs - the fitness of McVeigh and Daniher needs to be ascertained before anything can be said.

Hurley has been ruled out until next week (BomberTV).

 

[efcboy]

too many here are picking a team that just looks good on paper - you need to keep in mind fitness levels. there's plenty of dyson bashers on here but in the last quarter it was the fit blokes that won it for us including dyson.

the best team to select is one remaining team balance and fitness. with this in mind:

with hille going out we need another ruckman, so bellchambers has to come in despite not really earning his spot. without bellchambers we might overload ryder if asking him to ruck another whole match - give him some support with t-bell.

due to team balance we cannot afford to drop lucas - we lose ryder as a forward going into ruck and bellchambers aint going to give much there. mcphee may also have to play stints down back and with lloyd overcoming a corkie its a no-brainer that lucas has to stay in this week (given gumbys absence and neagles worse form).

for fitness purposes i would leave out lonergan. it was his first senior match for a month and he copped a corkie - he will be quite sore. rest him for the following week. given houli performed well for bendigo he can replace him. i don't think mcveigh will be ready either.

given brisbanes likely forward/mid line is/was:

F: Henderson, Bradshaw, Sherman
HF: Rischitelli, Brown, Power
C: Brennan, Black, Adcock
Foll: Clark, Johnstone, Rich

then matchups:

Brown - Pears
Bradshaw - Fletcher
Henderson - Hooker (wouldn't risk daniher's groin, hurley not ready)
Sherman - Slattery
Rischitelli - Dempsey
Power - Dyson
Adcock - Winderlich
Black - Hocking
Clark - Ryder
Brennan - McPhee
Johnstone - Stanton
Rich - Watson

I think we need an extra defender - daniher went out and wasn't replaced last week. So i'd give Hooker an opportunity - good to have options if Brown and/or Bradshaw get on top. Lucky to get away with it against pies but i'd hope to use mcphee off wing/half forward instead this week possibly against Brennan.

So that gives a lineup of:

B: Hooker, Fletcher, Slattery
HB: Dempsey, Pears, Dyson
C: McPhee, Hocking, Winderlich
Foll: Ryder, Stanton Watson

then to our forwards:

HF: Lovett, Lucas, Zaharakis
F: Monfries, Lloyd, Davey

then bench: Bellchambers,

finals 3 spots to come from jetta, myers, lovett-murray, houli. For team balance i would retain jetta and bring in houli for mid rotations then the final utility spot comes down to myers or lovett-murray. Probably have to give lovett-murray another week on form ahead of myers.

So changes:

Out: Hille (inj), Myers (omit), Lonergan (rest)
In: Bellchambers, Hooker, Houli

If its forecast for heavy rain then i'd bring back in myers for hooker to not be so top heavy.

 

[cawshezy]

They stated on Essendonfc that Bellchambers or Hooker will be bought in to accompany Ryder in the ruck in case he gets injured

 

[Boucks09]

Without having a read a comprehensive report of the Benidgo game and reading various injury reports, i'll put in my 2 cents worth.

It's been interesting reading the discussions regarding when to play Bellchambers. We all know its a matter of when not if. Whilst Brisbane do have a depleted ruck division, this did not stop Geelong from playing two ruckman (Blake and Mumford) against them in terrible conditions. The question which needs to be asked is whether Bellchambers is going to be able to give us ANYTHING around the ground. If not then he could be a liability, but if he can atleast compete around the ground for 20-30% of game time this could help Paddy out immensly.

I would also be a little cautious about only playing him against bigger ruckman. Whilst all VFL reports seem to suggest he is struggling against mobile-type ruckman (O'hAilpin) i think he will need to get comfortable and gain confidence at this level before taking on the likes of Campbell/Taylor, Gardiner/King.

So I say bring him in for Hille.

The obvious exclusion is Myers. I just feel that playing him underdone is harming his confidence. I'm not getting into a Myers bashing thread because too many people are already doing that and it achieves nothing. He needs time to get confidence and conditioning and at the moment he is a liabilty at AFL level on the half back line.

Without knowing the intricate details I would suggest saving McVeigh until the Hawks game. He was CLEARLY underdone against North and a 2 week break with training should see him be able to come back in and make an impact. I really hope we don't rush him back in. Given that Hocking and Lonergan appear to be ok and able to play, that gives us sufficient players who can win the hard contested ball in addition to Watson.

I think given he has had 4 weeks in the 2's, now is the time for Houli to come into the side. Surely by now his defensive pressure is improving, and I'm sure he will be hurt to miss out on ANZAC Day and one of the club's greatest wins. He could be damaging for us provided he do the things that is required. We have seen in the last 2 weeks that Dempsey has been able to do the hard things for the team at the expense of his own game (back into back, spoil, put his body on the line) and we need the same commitment from Bachar.

There were elements of Leroy's game on Saturday that frustrated me, but when he put his head down and when the pressure was on he stepped up. With a bit of luck he could've kicked the last 3 goals of the game (holding the ball and taking possession rather than fummbling). He is an x factor and could stretch the likes of Ash McGrath. He must stay in the side.

Daniher won't come back this week and Hurley will play 2's. So we could have both back in the coming weeks which will make things interesting at selection.

Lucas keeps his spot. He was better than Lloyd on Saturday and still presented well. HE WILL FIRE it's just a matter of time.

In a nutshell:

Outs: Hille (knee), Myers (omitted)
Ins: Bellchambers, Houli

 

[Longy413]

Belly was rubbish yesterday.

 

[The Donners]

Out: Hille (inj), Myers (omit), Lonergan (rest)
In: Bellchambers, Hooker, Houli

If its forecast for heavy rain then i'd bring back in myers for hooker to not be so top heavy.

Great summary, ditto with changes!

 

[HULK HOGAN]

that's Lucas ****ed then.

In any case, I agree with the principle, and I'd drop Lucas because he's been a liability; but I also don't believe you should **** with a winning team too much.

Minimal changes. Unless someone is bashing the door down, which they aren't.

I nearly agree but lets give Lucas 1 or 2 more weeks??
I hope Spike is knocking on the door, also whats your opinion fo Daniher?
I reckon hes gonna be great in the future for us.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

that's Lucas ****ed then.

In any case, I agree with the principle, and I'd drop Lucas because he's been a liability; but I also don't believe you should **** with a winning team too much.

Minimal changes. Unless someone is bashing the door down, which they aren't.

The only guys we have to replace Lucas with are Neagle and Hooker.

Considering Neagle is doing less at VFL than Scotty at AFL it is hard to drop the bloke. Hooker is playing CHB and would be another pot luck selection if we picked him.

If Gumby wasn't injured and Neagle was showing a bit of form then Lucas would be in serious trouble.

Unless everyone's pulling their weight I see no reason why we can't make multiple changes to a winning team.

Houli for Myers seems a no brainer to me and we need another ruckman - enter Bellchambers even though Longy said he was rubbish. If McVeigh's over his ankle then he comes in also.

 

[Longy413]

Had no idea he was that close.

You know anything about Laycock's injury?

It's probably more likely to be 3-4 weeks but from what I can gather his recovery is quite advanced.

Don't know anything about Laycock.


Kelvin - Bellchambers played the game like he expected a senior recall, I don't think that attitude is anywhere near good enough. Hooker did just about as much of the ruck-work and has been in fantastic form. I'd pick him before Bellchambers and I think he'd give us more against the Lions pair.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Bellchambers played the game like he expected a senior recall, I don't think that attitude is anywhere near good enough. Hooker did just about as much of the ruck-work and has been in fantastic form. I'd pick him before Bellchambers and I think he'd give us more against the Lions pair.

Agree, Hooker would be a very good match up for when Mitch Clark pinch hits in the ruck, as he pushes forward a lot, Hookers defensive side will be a big advantage.

 

[Skeeta Olly]

Belly was rubbish yesterday.

Conditions wont favour him either.

 

[Yoda_]

Do we need to take Bellchambers, there are two sides to the coin, Bring in Bellchambers, see if he can tear apart a bit parts ruckmen in Mitch Clark, or do we leave him out and take in Hooker who can ably chop out Ryder.

On Myers, I think we are using him in the wrong position, i think he needs to play off a wing or from HF, Houli IMO cannot replace Myers, he (apparently) has been showing nothing at VFL level to suggest he can apply himself at AFL level. Which is a worry. We also have to see who the lions take into the game, key match ups:

Pears -> Bradshaw
Hooker -> Brown
Hocking -> Black
Zaka -> Rich
Lloyd -> Merret
Lucas -> Patful

I think that mcphee has to play forward, Mcphee will be a decoy for Lucas, he has been towelled up a couple of times by Patful but that could open up Mcphee to play a starring role up forward.

just a few things to note.

 

[Longy413]

Conditions are irrelevant to having a decent crack at it.

 

[loopy_cam]

It's probably more likely to be 3-4 weeks but from what I can gather his recovery is quite advanced.

Don't know anything about Laycock.

Thanks for the info.

 

[yaco55]

Do we need to take Bellchambers, there are two sides to the coin, Bring in Bellchambers, see if he can tear apart a bit parts ruckmen in Mitch Clark, or do we leave him out and take in Hooker who can ably chop out Ryder.

On Myers, I think we are using him in the wrong position, i think he needs to play off a wing or from HF, Houli IMO cannot replace Myers, he (apparently) has been showing nothing at VFL level to suggest he can apply himself at AFL level. Which is a worry. We also have to see who the lions take into the game, key match ups:

Pears -> Bradshaw
Hooker -> Brown
Hocking -> Black
Zaka -> Rich
Lloyd -> Merret
Lucas -> Patful

I think that mcphee has to play forward, Mcphee will be a decoy for Lucas, he has been towelled up a couple of times by Patful but that could open up Mcphee to play a starring role up forward.

just a few things to note.

You cant have Hooker as a back up ruckman and have him play back.

It is too difficult !

The back up ruckman needs to play forward.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

So he'll miss another week, but that won't do him any harm. Prismall, Reimers, Hurley and Welsh could all come back in the same game.

Surely not. He can't be that advanced in his rehab from the brake.

 

[ant555]

Surely not. He can't be that advanced in his rehab from the brake.

He is actually coming along very well and is a bt further in front than they thought he would be.
The interesting thing will be if he finds a bit of form after two or three games with Bendigo or he struggles a bit for a while like a few others who have suffered broken legs.
Even if he does come up early i dont see any midfield roles for him for a while as he wont have the miles in the legs.

 

[ant555]

You cant have Hooker as a back up ruckman and have him play back.

It is too difficult !

The back up ruckman needs to play forward.

They where prepared to play Ryder in defence and have him back up Hille in the ruck at various stages this year so you can not say they cant do it.
It would be prefered if the back up ruck played forward.

 

[ant555]

Kelvin - Bellchambers played the game like he expected a senior recall, I don't think that attitude is anywhere near good enough. Hooker did just about as much of the ruck-work and has been in fantastic form. I'd pick him before Bellchambers and I think he'd give us more against the Lions pair.

Agree. T-Bell has not really played that well at all this year and the most disappointing thing about his game has he has given nothing around the ground. If you can not have an input possession wise then you may as well play one short.
Even if Hooker can not win the ruck contest he will give us more around the ground and we can always set up to rove their ruckman.

 

[efcboy]

if bellchambers does get a game which i think will happen i would start him in the ruck with ryder up forward for at least the first 5 minutes. big t-bell with his bulk could knock clark around a bit early to soften him up and fatigue him before paddy takes over.

 

[Yoda_]

If Bellchambers has not earnt a spot in the seniors, do not give it to him, although it would be nice if he was giving us something in the VFL, but in reality, he has done nothing to suggest he can step up to some sort of AFL level.

As someone said, at least Hooker could give us something in the seniors, around the ground, then as a backmen.

Will Mcveigh come in, or will they rest him for the big game versus the Hawks in two weeks.

 

[efcboy]

i suspect bellchambers knew he'd get a call-up so played like a man not wanting to get injured. i see no reason not to bring in both hooker and bellchambers.

 

[lemon chicken]

In Hooker, McVeigh and Williams

Out Hille, Lucas and Myers

Id bring in Hooker as an extra option down back firstly, we need a few options for Brown/Bradshaw. Both are looking ominous for a big game. Lucas i would tell to get his elbow right, not dropping just get it right for a week . The only replacement i see is Williams who offers something we dont have, unpredictability in the forward line instead of the same two leading, marking targets. He can sit in the goal square and fly for speccies all day and give Lloyd the freedom to roam a bit, if he kicks 2 goals it would be good return. Myers I wouldnt have played on the weekend and McVeigh has to play if fit.

 

[rioli brownlow]

i suspect bellchambers knew he'd get a call-up so played like a man not wanting to get injured. i see no reason not to bring in both hooker and bellchambers.

i tend to think that seeing brisbane haven't got a proper ruckman either maybe play hooker as the 2nd ruckman and leave bellchambers fpr the games where teams have proper ruckman.

 

[pazza]

Out: Hille (injured), Myers
In: Hooker, McVeigh

B: Slattery, Fletcher, Dyson
HB: Dempsey, Pears, McPhee
C: Winderlich, Watson, Lovett
HF: Monfries, Lucas, Davey
F: Jetta, Lloyd, McVeigh
R: Ryder, Stanton, Hocking
Int: Zaharakis, Hooker, Lonergan, Lovett-Murray
Emerg: Myers, Nash, Houli