Ins & Outs V Hawks for FINALS FOOTY

[passionate pup]

I tend to agree that Skipper will not play, his only chance may be if Hudson doesn't get up, but I doubt Eade will go with 3 ruckmen, he hasn't done it all year, why do it now? I think the only other spot to be offered up will be Reid's, and either Ray or Everitt will claim it, I think Everitt has more flexibility, he can play on the wing and take a semi-tall forward (Williams maybe) if we need him to, which is important against the Hawks.

Out: Skipper, Reid
In: Hudson, Everitt

 

[Reptilia]

I do! I haven't got the numbers, but I am pretty confident our win/loss ratio without Williams or Wight has been pretty ordinary. However, I suspect Wight may have had his card marked for this year. The problem is we then suffer in the match-ups for Morris, Hargrave, Callan, etc. Also, do we really expect Eade to play Akermanis in the backline throughout the finals?

I like Tiller's attack on the ball and I think there is a good chance he may come back in this week. Of course, the problem is that the Hawks rolling flood requires precision passing skills to beat it and this is not Tiller's strength.

Out: Skipper, Reid, Harbrow
In: Hudson, Ray, Tiller

With Akermanis to move forward and Tiller to go into the backline.

Tiller may be hard at the ball and plays well at the VFL but at this stage he is just not up to AFL standard, his disposal lets him down so much, and not only him, the team.. it's what cost us in a couple of games this year (north melbourne)

the ins will obviously be Hudson, but i have no idea who the other one will be.. i have no idea how Eade is looking to play this game, ud think that Ray isn't gonna get a go this week because he had a run in the seconds.. i mean what could that really do, also he had a bad game it seems.. so i really have no idea what Eade is gonna do!

 

[acker]

Skipper is gone. G-A-W-N. He's not in the plans for the finals or the future, yesterday was his farewell match. What ever physical advantages he has is outweighed by the fact he's not up to AFL standard.

Pretty much right, but Street is not a long way ahead of him.

If Hudson is still injured Cameron Wight might leapfrog both of them into the ruck.

I would prefer to sacrifice hit-outs to get some accountability around the ground on the Hawk rucks. Unfortunately with Street or Skipper their opponents will run around as loose men in dangerous positions, while Street and Skip run around in every non-dangerous position.

In : Hudson and Tiller

Out : Skipper and Ried (sorry son)

 

[acker]

Tiller may be hard at the ball and plays well at the VFL but at this stage he is just not up to AFL standard, his disposal lets him down so much, and not only him, the team.. it's what cost us in a couple of games this year (north melbourne)

the ins will obviously be Hudson, but i have no idea who the other one will be.. i have no idea how Eade is looking to play this game, ud think that Ray isn't gonna get a go this week because he had a run in the seconds.. i mean what could that really do, also he had a bad game it seems.. so i really have no idea what Eade is gonna do!

I saw Cross after a good team build up kick the ball directly to a Crows player which resulted in a goal, and Gilbee fluff a handpass that ended up with a Crows player goaling 15 metres out. Those two players have about 300 games up between them and far fewer reasons to stuff up disposal than 14 gamer Stephen Tiller..

Are they protected species ??

Or are we being over critical of Tiller ??

He actualy had a disposal efficiency rate of around 90% the game he coughed up the ball to the Kangaroos.

 

[Reptilia]

I saw Cross after a good team build up kick the ball directly to a Crows player which resulted in a goal, and Gilbee fluff a handpass that ended up with a Crows player goaling 15 metres out. Those two players have about 300 games up between them and far fewer reasons to stuff up disposal than 14 gamer Stephen Tiller..

Are they protected species ??

Or are we being over critical of Tiller ??

He actualy had a disposal efficiency rate of around 90% the game he coughed up the ball to the Kangaroos.

but lets not forget all the good stuff Cross and Gilbee do.. sure they stuff up but geez the reason they are 'protected' is because a lot of good comes with an occasional stuff up here and there, you can't say Tiller provides that many positives that his negatives are to be ignored..

 

[acker]

Tiller may be hard at the ball and plays well at the VFL but at this stage he is just not up to AFL standard, his disposal lets him down so much, and not only him, the team.. it's what cost us in a couple of games this year (north melbourne)

I thought being hard at the ball was what you later describe as "good stuff"

but lets not forget all the good stuff Cross and Gilbee do.. sure they stuff up but geez the reason they are 'protected' is because a lot of good comes with an occasional stuff up here and there, you can't say Tiller provides that many positives that his negatives are to be ignored..

After 300 games I would expect a lot of good stuff, in fact a lot more than a guy whos played 14.

I would also expect a lot less stuff-ups from experienced players.

The two goals those two players gave away costed us the match yesterday.

I dont think their performance positives outweighed that.

 

[Reptilia]

I thought being hard at the ball was what you later describe as "good stuff"



After 300 games I would expect a lot of good stuff, in fact a lot more than a guy whos played 14.

I would also expect a lot less stuff-ups from experienced players.

The two goals those two players gave away costed us the match yesterday.

I dont think their performance positives outweighed that.

they havent played 300 games, but anyway yeah so why would we put in tiller in.. he has only played 14 games and isnt showing much of the good stuff.. so no real point playing him in a final

 

[gs17]

I think one of Wight or Tiller will come in just to have another back up for Franklin. You would think if Lake plays he will play on Roughead the whole game. That leaves Morris or Hargrave on Buddy. I would much prefer Hargrave & Callan to play on Williams or Rioli. Morris on Buddy with the option of Tiller or Wight to help give him a chopout.
Ins: Hudson, Ray & Wight (or Tiller)
Outs: Skipper, Reid, Harborw (or Hill)

 

[Mr. Walker]

Add Harbrow to the list of protected species on this Board. I understand the love of forward pressure but this seems to only result in a couple of tackles a game and even fewer disposals. Maybe next year for Harbrow but this year we have finals to win.

We are too short at the moment.

In Hudson, Ray, Wight

Out Skipper, Reid, Harbrow

 

[doggiesin08]

Add Harbrow to the list of protected species on this Board. I understand the love of forward pressure but this seems to only result in a couple of tackles a game and even fewer disposals. Maybe next year for Harbrow but this year we have finals to win.

We are too short at the moment.

In Hudson, Ray, Wight

Out Skipper, Reid, Harbrow

I thought Harbrow was solid yesterday and I thought at times he really limited McLeod's ability to have clean disposals out of the backline even if he didn't get many himself. In saying that I would really like to see those 3 ins and I'd imagine either Hill or Harbrow would have to be the 3rd out.

**Also are you an Adelaide supporter or a Dogs supporter (perhaps lost a bet and had to change ur team for the week?)

 

[Mr. Walker]

I thought Harbrow was solid yesterday and I thought at times he really limited McLeod's ability to have clean disposals out of the backline even if he didn't get many himself. In saying that I would really like to see those 3 ins and I'd imagine either Hill or Harbrow would have to be the 3rd out.

**Also are you an Adelaide supporter or a Dogs supporter (perhaps lost a bet and had to change ur team for the week?)

Six disposals and 4 tackles is just not enough in my mind. Last week it was 9 and 1. I think Harbrow has a future but i think there are better options this year.

I am a Bulldog member. Not sure why my BigFooty profile has altered itself to Adelaide but Slater and Gordon have been retained and i am expecting a big payout.

 

[Dogs Rule]

In: Hudson, Ward,
Out: Reid, Skipper

 

[Dorval6]

I think you will find that on a number of occasions, Ray has put his body on the line to take some very good overhead marks. Plus, you also forget that he was our best player in that Collingwood final, which is definitely something to consider.

Glad you at least remember that.
I mentioned it the other week and got shouted down.

In: Ray, Hudson
Out: Reid, Skipper

 

[StringyDog]

I do! I haven't got the numbers, but I am pretty confident our win/loss ratio without Williams or Wight has been pretty ordinary. However, I suspect Wight may have had his card marked for this year. The problem is we then suffer in the match-ups for Morris, Hargrave, Callan, etc. Also, do we really expect Eade to play Akermanis in the backline throughout the finals?

I like Tiller's attack on the ball and I think there is a good chance he may come back in this week. Of course, the problem is that the Hawks rolling flood requires precision passing skills to beat it and this is not Tiller's strength.

Out: Skipper, Reid, Harbrow
In: Hudson, Ray, Tiller

With Akermanis to move forward and Tiller to go into the backline.

Yep agree here. Still think we need another tall in side and Tiller was one of best yesterday in reserves. Only thng I think Harbrow is needed as he adds defensive pressure to forward line and has played well over last 4-5 weeks. Hopefully Hudson comes up and Lake is fine as they are both keys to beating Hawks as Skipper is hopeless and there is no alternative for Lake.

In :Hudson, Tiller
Out:Skipper, Reid

 

[radziminski]

Much prefer Wight's adaptability. Can go into ruck if necessary, or add genuine height to forward line. OK he doesn't set the world alight in any particular position, but he can do enough to justify his inclusion.

In: Wight Hudson
Out: Skipper Reid

 

[acker]

they havent played 300 games, but anyway yeah so why would we put in tiller in.. he has only played 14 games and isnt showing much of the good stuff.. so no real point playing him in a final

Righto somewhere between 200-300

Tiller still sitting on 14

Tiller has an upside

They have peaked

 

[acker]

I thought Harbrow was solid yesterday and I thought at times he really limited McLeod's ability to have clean disposals out of the backline even if he didn't get many himself.

Solid yes, but Hill was doing some pretty expansionary stuff all game.

Harbrow seems to retreat into his shell and go missing a little bit to easilly.

Hill comes a gutser a lot of times, but that is probably because he is more prepared to trust his ability and take a risk than Harbrow.

Hill is a bit of a thrillseeker, Harbrow likes to stay close to the ground.

 

[Libba39]

**Assuming Lake gets off and plays on Friday night.

Apparently Ray wasnt that impressive yesterday and hasnt earnt himself his spot back? Tough one.

Nontheless, Ray is a good player and in our best 22 i think.

INS: Ray, Hudson
Outs: Reid, Skipper

totally agree. I've got feeling the dogs are foxing with Hudson. Hopefully he should be back. Last time we played the Hawks he and Minson beat Campbell and Taylor comprehensively.

Ray will play. I think he is the last piece in the puzzle. He ran well against Brisbane and the coaching staff will be thinking back 2006 when he played well at the G against the Pies.

 

[Madfish_23]

out skipper and reid
in hudson and ray

leave harbrow in. he might just lay the winning tackle.

 

[Gooka]

Keep Hill in.

I'd like to see Ward get a game too. He'll be a captain one day. Get him into the finals now.

I don't rate Harbrow.

 

[Blasé]

Why?

Hawthorn have a hard nosed team with solid bodies. Therefore i would prefer Ward over Ray. Ward as we saw in the North game will go back with the flight of the ball no matter what the situation. The same cannot be said for Ray however.

hard-nosed and solid bodies. well, we're not quite. still requiring some young bodies to mature. hard-nosed, well there are a few soft players. we're still a work in progress. when we have hodge in the middle we become hard-nosed, but our definicency in defence is making us play him down there - probably a little easier on his body as well.

appears that hudson's selection is certain provided that he's close to fit.

i presume the mesiah williams isn't ready to part the sea?

 

[robbo3005]

Add Harbrow to the list of protected species on this Board. I understand the love of forward pressure but this seems to only result in a couple of tackles a game and even fewer disposals. Maybe next year for Harbrow but this year we have finals to win.

We are too short at the moment.

In Hudson, Ray, Wight

Out Skipper, Reid, Harbrow

Long time no hear Mr Walker.

As usual I pretty well agree with your thoughts.

Ray has proven MCG finals experience, can rack up +20 possies, has done ok when tagging and can break lines. Kicking could improve though.

Hudson must play and hopefully at his early season form.

With Wight, well I just think we are too short down back. Shaggy has played pretty well this year but have you noticed that this has been when he plays as the third or fourth tall defender?

 

[Butane]

Long time no hear Mr Walker.

As usual I pretty well agree with your thoughts.

Ray has proven MCG finals experience, can rack up +20 possies, has done ok when tagging and can break lines. Kicking could improve though.

Hudson must play and hopefully at his early season form.

With Wight, well I just think we are too short down back. Shaggy has played pretty well this year but have you noticed that this has been when he plays as the third or fourth tall defender?

Firstly, I think Ray should play, but not because of one game 2 years ago.

Secondly, yes I have noticed Hargrave plays his best while he's the 3rd or 4th defender. He never was going to be a CHB/FB! Just look at the size of him compared to Buddy, J.Brown, T.Cloke ect ect! Of course he's going to play better against opponents that suit him. Lake doesn't do to well against the Cyril Rioli's of the world either.

 

[Fossie 32]

Reid got a fair bit of it considering he was off the ground for quite a while and good attack on the ball. But I would probably leave him out for Farren and Skip for Hudson. Definitely keep Hill in!

 

[Hot Spenny]

Bulldogs 4 bucks for the win? Shit, might put a pineapple on that!