Interchange costs Hawks the game

[kosifantutti]

Given that it was Riewoldt's comeback game at home you would of thought the Saints should of had the edge in this game. I'm sure he will get continually better but it doesn't bode well for the rest of the team which apart from Gram has been fit virtually all season. Hawthorn on the other hand had 9 more inside 50's and 8 more scoring shots. Apart from Baker who has got to comeback? Hawthorn still have Hooper to come back and players like Young, Gibson, Burgoyne, Brown, Sewell are continually improving from the their injuries.

You'd expect a guy to dominate in his third game back from a 13 week injury.

I don't know who Hooper is so I can't really judge how huge an impact he would have on your team, but I'd back Baker, Clarke and Armitage against him.

 

[kosifantutti]

I wasn't making any excuses, i was simply refuting the claim the the Hawks were at their best while the Saints can play alot better. The Saints certainly cant kick any straighter than last night while the Hawks can. We created almost twice the chances you did. 9 times out of 10 you lose when that happens.

If last night wasn't the Saints near their best what was last week ?

You were using it as evidence that everything went the Saints' way. I'd call that making excuses.

 

[Falchoon]

Yet you had a whopping 17 scoring shots against it.

only needed 18

 

[Roby]

You'd expect a guy to dominate in his third game back from a 13 week injury.

I don't know who Hooper is so I can't really judge how huge an impact he would have on your team, but I'd back Baker, Clarke and Armitage against him.

Hooper is only 17 but he is already a gun, will be better than Rioli.

 

[TheBloods]

I was at the game last night and thought the Saints looked better with their structures - offense and defense - but wasted the ball with some poor turnovers. I think the Saints have room for improvement going into finals, but not sure about the Hawks.

 

[JoondalupJ]

What a disgrace.

The bastardisation of this game summed up just there - a side misses a win not because they were beaten by a better side but because of an administrative oversight.

Putting aside who the teams are - I'd have preferred a Saints win here TBH - it's just a ridiculous example of how over-officiated this sport has become.

I couldn't agree more. Obviously a little biased but to change the whole mindset of the team and the game situation over something so trivial is a tragedy because it makes our game a laughing stock.
The AFL must change this nonsense and some of the other rubbish that goes on with absolutely over the top petty umpiring decisions.
I never want to hear an umpire or notice one for that matter. But these prancing ballet
dancers are infuriating at times and its putting me and many many others off our game at top level.
And beleive me, all you punters out there, all you club members, all you fans and football goers , all of you , we own the game , we pay for it too, the rot has got to stop or they'll kill it.

 

[JoondalupJ]

I thought Hawthorn lost it by defending that stoppage poorly. Mark was way too loose for a bounce that close to goal with less than a minute to go.

That last minute and a bit was devastating to let that goal get scored. But they were shocked and put off by the whole situation changing for them when they had won, some idiotic miniscule foot over the line infringement gets the donkey flag waver up , he may as well have been given the ball to kick for St Kilda right in front from a metre out.
Hawthorn always will be the winner of that game, we had the saints when it counted and buried them with Cyrils goal, then out jump the bullshit rule committee. The rule was not bought in to kill a win, it was bought in to stop blatant cheating at the interchange.
I saw a north player slip onto the ground on tv tonight and take a mark all on his own and drive north into attack no one saw or knew its sneaky and unfair and thats what should be stopped not bulldust. Hang your heads rule committee you are making to many mistakes and you need to allow some descretion and common sense, but the calabre of the people you hire as umpires would all make great parking inspectors, they are painful.
If your excuse is that no one wants to umpire, then PAY THEM TO BE FULL TIME and improve there capabilitys, I 'm lost for words now our wonderful game is being screwed up badly!

 

[TheBloods]

he may as well have been given the ball to kick for St Kilda right in front from a metre out.

That's just a stupid comment. StKilda kicked the goal needed three minutes later from a stoppage.

Hawthorn always will be the winner of that game, we had the saints when it counted and buried them with Cyrils goal, then out jump the bullshit rule committee. The rule was not bought in to kill a win, it was bought in to stop blatant cheating at the interchange.

Wah wah wah.

I saw a north player slip onto the ground on tv tonight and take a mark all on his own and drive north into attack no one saw or knew its sneaky and unfair and thats what should be stopped not bulldust.

Maybe because he was replacing someone who had already come off the ground? That happens every week.

 

[PCORF]

This descision probably cost Hawthorn a top 4 spot.

 

[dipper86]

That's just a stupid comment. StKilda kicked the goal needed three minutes later from a stoppage.

Thats amazing considering there was only 2 min left.....they must have kicked it while channel 7 was conducting interviews with Luke Hodge after the match.

 

[TheBloods]

Thats amazing considering there was only 2 min left.....they must have kicked it while channel 7 was conducting interviews with Luke Hodge after the match.

3 minutes running clock time, 2 minutes with stoppage time.

So, therefore, it is still a stupid comment.

 

[rose jam]

This descision probably cost Hawthorn a top 4 spot.

yes the decision for a 19th Hawthorn player to go onto the playing field at a crucial time. Dumb.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

18th actually rose jam.

Blame a technical glitch or an incompetent official, we had four on the bench even IF Birchall and Whitecross were outside the box for 2 seconds.

Regardless it's done, and we never should have let the Saints stay that close to us that a few dodgy calls changed the game.

 

[mysainters]

This descision probably cost Hawthorn a top 4 spot.

That's a bit dramatic, I'd say the first six rounds probably had more of a bearing actually.

Still a huge threat this finals series, if they continue in this kind of form, they could win the GF from any position IMO.

 

[kosifantutti]

18th actually rose jam.

Blame a technical glitch or an incompetent official, we had four on the bench even IF Birchall and Whitecross were outside the box for 2 seconds.

Regardless it's done, and we never should have let the Saints stay that close to us that a few dodgy calls changed the game.

A FEW dodgy calls? I'd be interested to hear about them.

 

[Murraj1966]

I don't see why OUR runner running over OUR mark is any reason to take the ball out of OUR hands? Kosi deserved his kick, and it was taken away.

You weren't the only one getting shafted by the rules.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Sorry didn't mean it that way.

In general play we were a 3-4 goal better side, and had either side's accuracy been closer to 'normal' we would have had that margin. Fact is we weren't, otherwise it's doubtful anyone apart from Hawthorn fans would be talking about it.

It's only because it appears to have directly affected the result it's a media/general public issue.

 

[mess]

I don't see why OUR runner running over OUR mark is any reason to take the ball out of OUR hands? Kosi deserved his kick, and it was taken away.

Fair point. Is it a free kick if a team mate runs through the mark?

 

[JeddaB]

Neither Hawthorn nor St Kilda had a chance to win the game. Umpiring made sure of that. Too many precious calls ruined the game from the first bounce.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

I've already had my say but i just wanted to mention that YES - we were very fortunate to get two points. However, I don't think we were outplayed all night, it was played in fits and spurts. Hawthorn for example played better in the second half of the first quarter and the first half of the final quarter, but we played better in the first half of the first quarter and the second half of the final quarter (the middle quarters were pretty even I thought)

I think Hawthorn would've won had that goal counted - they were too far ahead and i don't think we had enough time to kick the two or three goals needed... Although who knows?

That's about it.

 

[Pie eyed]

A few different things went both ways in the last, which you always notice more, that effected the result. None the least Roo missing what should have been a goal late and the interchange free. I think the Cost was amplified by when it happened. If it happened in the first 110 minutes it would possibly have got small notice in the long run.

The Hawks having no-one goal side of the ball up and the Saints not giving up till the siren were the real contributing factors.

A draw is always unfulfilling even to a neutral observer, but it was probably a fair result to a cracking game.

 

[Pariah]

No it didn't Hawthorns poor accuracy in front of goal did.

 

[Swampfox]

Interchange costs Hawks the game ?

And to those posters who say StKilda were lucky to draw

What part did StKilda play in Hawthorn making an illegal interchange ?

You go 61 in a 60 zone you get booked

Whats so hard to understand

Even if they change the interchange cap it wont stop it happening

If your teams interchange official doesnt stop an over eager player entering the arena before the player coming off the ground its his fault

Get Kennet to do it

Be a great front page when he stuffs it up

If it happened in the first quarter it wouldnt have been a topic like it is now

 

[seysearles]

This decision probably cost Hawthorn a top 4 spot.

I don't think you've thought that comment through very well.

4. Western Bulldogs
44 points (11 wins, six losses) 137.98 per cent

5. Fremantle
44 points (11 wins, six losses) 111.62 per cent

6. Hawthorn
38 points (nine wins, seven losses, one draw) 107.71 per cent

There is no chance we were ever going to make up 20.27% to surpass the Bulldogs % so effectively all the draw has done is maintained our 2 win differential with them. If we take 4th it will be because Freo anf Bulldogs both drop 2 games more than us on the run home (which was going to be the case had we won also).

Perhaps you could argue that it may be the difference between us finishing 5th or 6th. However I hardly see this as an advantage, one way or another. Will in all likelihood be a home elimination final vs either Sydney or Carlton and it's a toss of the coin where either of them will finish.

Conclusion:
The difference between winning and drawing that game on Saturday will prove insignificant.