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Are you the type who will take the knee to Trump? The loyalty test?
Opinion INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 6
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How come every protest you don’t like is paid for by big donors yet MAGA protests and the trucker convoy etc are grass roots?
Did you see the report, the ICC about who was behind the trucker convoys?
The connection with Ginni Thomas and big church actors, NAR, Opus Dei etc behind the Jan 6 mob?
Are you aware there were agitators in the BLM riots?
Are you aware, at all, that Big Fossil Fuel and Russia are behind a lot of the agitation?
Are you aware how gullible you are?
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The Lincoln project ffs as a source.
Who remembers the Lincoln Project’s 2021 tiki torch stunt in Virginia, meant to criticize Republican Glenn Youngkin.
They are a part of Antifa.
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You really do draw some weird conclusions at times.
I've never said that Tesla share prices were in death spiral and would never recover. I just explained why I believe they've dropped recently.
Share prices are constantly in a state of flux.
At present Tesla sales are down 50% across Europe and down 70% in Australia. Share prices are normally a sign of consumer confidence and figures like that spook investors.
I'm sure their shares will eventually rebound at some point, it'll take an announcement of new tech, an increase in sales, a new acquisition or a new model to trigger it.
Its no doubt mostly big investors who have most likely jumped ship and its not political. They just recognise its a bad investment at this time and wanted to sell as high as they could. Most mid range and lower investors probably are likely just sitting on it long term.
Its like when covid hit and big investors sold everything they could. Its purely recognising poor market conditions.
Elon made Tesla political by his involvement with the most unpopular US president in world history and world markets have reflected this.
Investors have money and its not because they are stupid. They will sell out, buy other stock in the mean time and if Tesla sales start picking up world wide they will be straight back on it. Its buying low selling high. When buying stocks myself, not once have i ever ever considered the political ideology of the idiot in charge of the company. I surely am not alone in this. Whatever makes me money. However there probably is a few big investors in truth who probably drew the line at a Nazi salute. Which I mean, can we really blame them.
Its narrative control. There is minimal savings to be made by Doge without absolutely gutting every department to its knees, withdrawing funding for everything etc and if he did that the government cant function. So they are creating every narrative they can because their idiotic supporters just take their word for it, and they turn a group in need into the enemy of maga purely so they can cut funding and save a few bucks. People will die because of Trump and Musk. There is no question.
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Oh how convenient
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He sure has increased the size of his kleptocracy.
Keep trying to ignore it.
Just shows your ignorance.
Or you could come out of the closet and say that now that Trump is a proven fascist that suddenly fascism is cool.
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Everything you’ve highlighted there (I agree with all of it) only ratifies the point that the success of the company is not tied to his politics in any meaningful way.
You’ve come full circle. You first said you’d sell the shares and now are certain they’ll rebound. Well if you’re certain they’ll rebound now would be the absolute worst time to sell them!
Musk has been very open about his politics for a few years now. These attacks on Tesla are coordinated and recent, a lot more recent than his support of Trump and years more recent than his purchase of Twitter (which a few people here also predicted would go “bankrupt”).
If you owned the shares, I’d advise you not to sell, because as you correctly pointed out (while defeating your own argument) — this too shall pass.
Musk’s politics on the other hand are going to stay the same. Clearly. So if you were correct that his politics were a huge issue, that would spell a fatal blow for Tesla.
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Why are you do so upset about some attacks on Tesla?
Surely there are more important things to be outraged about than the richest man in the world losing a few cars?
What about the school children who will
go hungry, the pensioners who will starve?
I wouldn't touch Tesla with a 15 foot barge pole at the current price. It's valuation is based on the cult of Elon though. Maybe he can convince people that Tesla will pivot to robots or AI or whatever. As long as enough people believe him, it doesn't matter if it's expensive.
Im not sure Tesla will remain the world leader in this market anyway, im not sure it even is now. Most car companies are now producing their own electric vehicles with far better designs and the cyber Truck is . Car yards are full of them around Portugal. All brands. Tesla was the innovator but car companies with their bigger resources and designers are smashing Tesla in the market. Doesnt mean Tesla is a bad car. Its just a fact.
But here is the thing. Elon is the spokesperson and he used his power as a major share owner to control the company direction and he does crave technological innovation. But he doesnt come up with any of it himself nor designs it. He is merely the face. Its the same as space x. virtually has nothing to do with any of it other than using his power to control the direction.
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It is though
The falling sales are a direct result of his political profile, it's sheer foolishness to suggest otherwise.
Whether you want to admit it or not, his association with Tesla is currently hurting the brand. He's literally insulting half of his customer base so of course there's a flow on effect.
Personally it wouldn't deter me from buying one if I was in the market for an EV, but there's a contingent saying F this guy and buying a competitors car instead.
If you're investing in shares of course you're going to sell if you suspect that share prices will drop. That's how the market works, once the poor sales figures came out people tried to get ahead of the game by selling their shares at a higher value knowing that the prices were going to drop.
Obviously at this point if you still have shares and haven't sold them then you'd most probably hold unless you suspect they will drop further.
I'm terms of their share price going up, it won't be immediate. but I expect it will be more in the medium to long term once there's been an improvement in their sales or they have announced something that gives investors confidence that their sales will improve.
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My one main issue with Telsa's business model is that they sell you a car that can already do everything, but the features are locked behind a paywall.
Consumers then have to pay thousands to unlock features that were already on the car when you bought it
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i did not know that. interesting and kind of crap. Especially since even a cheap model is close to 50k.
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He’s had this political profile for a long time. It’s not a secret. He actively campaigned with Trump all through last year.
What’s happening now is a result of the attacks on the brand, the coordinated campaign against it, and people seeing viral videos and stories of cars being keyed, set alight, owners of the cars being attacked and firebombing and vandalism of the dealerships.
Of course that is going to affect sales and tank the stock.
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Ketamine has kicked in.
You’re in good hands US.
You’re in good hands US.
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