Irish Papers bragging about beating us but they dont mention they played a 3rd rate Australian team

[AndSmithMustScore]

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Only a raw few could master Aussie rules ...the tough and aggressive nature of the game along with the skills required to master the oval ball would be beyond most Gaelic footballers.

This would be true but for the high amount of Irish lads who settle here and end up playing Aussie Rules.

Quite a few of the lads who'd play Gaelic football at Gaelic Park in Melbourne on sundays had played Aussie rules on the saturday for a local club.

So its definately not beyond them to pick up Aussie Rules.

 

[squareball]

Re: Irish Papers bragging about beating us but they dont mention they played a 3rd rate Australian t

Only a raw few could master Aussie rules ...the tough and aggressive nature of the game along with the skills required to master the oval ball would be beyond most Gaelic footballers.

Aussies would never feel the need to master gaelic football ..as it is a nothing sport ..whereas Aussie rules is a career ....the Irish come here to attempt to earn a decent living playing our game...so they throw everything they have at mastering it ...few out of the many that have tried actually succeed.

The series overall wins and losses are fairly even between both countries. It's the only real chance of both countries playing a competive international. SoO ,railway cup and rest of the world v aus will never happen

 

[cos789]

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It's not a new kicking style!

It's the same action that AFL players use to kick the oval ball all the time.

Just that point alone is utterly ridiculous.

 

[cos789]

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We had no prob beating u in the rugby

Exactly my point .
You beat a team under the Australian banner, a team from two states in a minority sport.

 

[cavanmaniac]

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I'd like to see a series where the Irish have to play our game, see how they go then, it would be a 200pt mauling.

What precisely would be the point of that? Or indeed what would be the point of asking AFL players to play a game of pure gaelic? Either way, both teams would be absolutely creamed. There's a lot of loose uneducated talk on here that this game is 90% gaelic and that if the Irish tried to play Australia in a game of AFL we would get mashed. I totally agree.

But flip the coin; if IR's so, so, so, so, like gaelic as, dare I say it, the whining on here suggests, it logically follows that any further adjustment the Aussies would have to make to play a pure gaelic game as opposed to IR, would be minimal - just another mere 10% going by the mathematics of some commentators on here. So on that basis, who feels that if Australia are already quite competitive in IR (this year excepted) and played a game of pure gaelic football, they'd be in any way close to the Irish?

Personally I know that Ireland would hand you your arses. And that's nothing to boast about, same as Australia hammering Ireland in a game of Aussie Rules would be nothing to crow about either.

But if nothing else playing a game of gaelic football and watching just how difficult it would be for the Aussies to play a game with no tackling and no marking and no stop-starting, well it just might finally open the eyes of some people on here to the fact that in IR the Irish do have to make some genuine big adjustments.

 

[Bollox]

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What the hell is so Wrong about them gloating or throwing a few pebbles. Whats the point in playing sport if u cant enjoy a win ?

We could always set sail like new age vikings and invade Ireland if you like...short of that what u gonna do about it ? be a sore loser ?
Learn to take a loss ...both countries had time to prepare, both countries played the same game..and they flogged us.
Let em enjoy it for christsake.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

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Thats the whole point of playing one normal game of each. We play the Gaelic game without the bumping and tackles and they have a huge advantage also, It evens itself out.
Or do my second option as we have the advantage of the sherrin in there game and vice versa.

Yeah, we would lose the normal Gaelic game, but if we fielded a decent team, I bet we could still be somewhat competitive and not be absolutely blown away.

On the other hand, a game of Australian rules against the Irish would be way too one sided to be considered.

You would be pitting a group of guys who play Australian Rules professionally against guys who pretty much play air soccer without any physical contact. The physicality of our game is a huge element - tackling to gain the ball, bumping, even just working in and under to win the contested ball are all things our players are trained extensively in.

If you want an example of what it would be like, think back to the Geelong vs Melbourne game this year, but I imagine it would be far worse.

It may sound arrogant, but I think the transition from Gaelic to Australian rules is very steep and they would struggle. They may be able to learn how to kick the ball, make position and tackle to some degree but then how would they go doing this when playing professionals who have been playing the game for years.

 

[mcuzzy]

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if i could kick a soccer ball with a footy kicking action with near perfect accuracy over 15-35 meters 9/10 times when i was in primary school then surely professional aussie rules players can do it. pull yourself together lads and get more practice in!

also nothing wrong with the irish celebrating, they deserve it, they are amateur players and they outplayed us in every way, even tackling.

 

[Rockford]

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Good on them. They're allowed to brag, that's why they call them bragging rights.

 

[cos789]

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Yeah, we would lose the normal Gaelic game, but if we fielded a decent team, I bet we could still be somewhat competitive and not be absolutely blown away.

In fact a Irish team came out in the 1970s and played a WAFL team at Gaelic Football at Leederville Oval. Cannot remember the exact result but it was a competitive game.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

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What precisely would be the point of that? Or indeed what would be the point of asking AFL players to play a game of pure gaelic? Either way, both teams would be absolutely creamed. There's a lot of loose uneducated talk on here that this game is 90% gaelic and that if the Irish tried to play Australia in a game of AFL we would get mashed. I totally agree.

But flip the coin; if IR's so, so, so, so, like gaelic as, dare I say it, the whining on here suggests, it logically follows that any further adjustment the Aussies would have to make to play a pure gaelic game as opposed to IR, would be minimal - just another mere 10% going by the mathematics of some commentators on here. So on that basis, who feels that if Australia are already quite competitive in IR (this year excepted) and played a game of pure gaelic football, they'd be in any way close to the Irish?

Personally I know that Ireland would hand you your arses. And that's nothing to boast about, same as Australia hammering Ireland in a game of Aussie Rules would be nothing to crow about either.

But if nothing else playing a game of gaelic football and watching just how difficult it would be for the Aussies to play a game with no tackling and no marking and no stop-starting, well it just might finally open the eyes of some people on here to the fact that in IR the Irish do have to make some genuine big adjustments.

I don't see the marking and stop-starting being that big of an adjustment. In fact, surely it just gives them more time to pick the best option with their kick.

I decided to watch some actual gaelic football and it's not a whole lot different to IR really. The lack of tackling made me wonder if I was watching netball and some dude scored by handballing.

The game seems to resemble soccer, except they kick it through the air most of the time.

 

[Gman12]

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Yeah, we would lose the normal Gaelic game, but if we fielded a decent team, I bet we could still be somewhat competitive and not be absolutely blown away.

On the other hand, a game of Australian rules against the Irish would be way too one sided to be considered.

You would be pitting a group of guys who play Australian Rules professionally against guys who pretty much play air soccer without any physical contact. The physicality of our game is a huge element - tackling to gain the ball, bumping, even just working in and under to win the contested ball are all things our players are trained extensively in.

If you want an example of what it would be like, think back to the Geelong vs Melbourne game this year, but I imagine it would be far worse.

It may sound arrogant, but I think the transition from Gaelic to Australian rules is very steep and they would struggle. They may be able to learn how to kick the ball, make position and tackle to some degree but then how would they go doing this when playing professionals who have been playing the game for years.

Jim Stynes, Tadgh Kennelly, Marty Clarke amongst others would care to disagree. with proper training, the Irish have shown an ability to adapt quickly.

all this talk about playing AFL in one game and Gaelic in the other is ridiculous though. I dont remember hearing this amount of moaning over rules last year when Australia made en effort, brought a decent squad and trained properly.

But when they lose, oh its not fair, its just Gaelic, the ball is hard to kick waaa waaa waaa.

the fact you dont see much of a difference between Gaelic and soccer shows your understanding of sport.

 

[Righteo]

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if i could kick a soccer ball with a footy kicking action with near perfect accuracy over 15-35 meters 9/10 times when i was in primary school then surely professional aussie rules players can do it. pull yourself together lads and get more practice in!

also nothing wrong with the irish celebrating, they deserve it, they are amateur players and they outplayed us in every way, even tackling.

Hard to say, considering our boys were just too slow to get close enough to tackle.

And they don't use a soccer ball so not the best comparison.

 

[Blessed]

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Frankly the Irish have every right to feel a sense of superiority.

They are better than us in every way when it comes to the hybrid game.

Right now; Gaelic football looks like it produces better, more physical, more skilful players than AFL.

They deserve to feel a sense of achievement.

Where as, AFL goes back to being a game that no one in the rest of the world understands or cares about.

Without International Rules, AFL has no footprint on the world stage. We are a backwater sport that can’t grow out of being played in 4 Southern states at the bottom of the world.

 

[King Elvis]

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^ Wtf? As opposed to Gaelic, which is taking over the world, right?

Who cares about the global stage, AFL is our game - everybody else can have soccer.

Do you think the Americans care that nobody else bothers with NFL?

If we select a proper team, and play properly, we smash them - fair enough, they're amateurs.

If we select a half-arsed team and don't take it seriously, they smash us, and it's boring as hell.

The team we put on the park was crap, but that's not the fault of the Irish.

 

[Blessed]

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But that is not the view of the AFL commission or executive and they drive the agenda.

Their view is that AFL can and should be taken to the world.

Thus our game of AFL is slowly morphing into the hybrid game after each International Rules series finishes.

Your view, while understandable is not the view of the people in power of our great game.

As such, you can expect some further significant rule changes.

 

[Connoisseur]

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^ Wtf? As opposed to Gaelic, which is taking over the world, right?

Who cares about the global stage, AFL is our game - everybody else can have soccer.

Do you think the Americans care that nobody else bothers with NFL?

If we select a proper team, and play properly, we smash them - fair enough, they're amateurs.

If we select a half-arsed team and don't take it seriously, they smash us, and it's boring as hell.

The team we put on the park was crap, but that's not the fault of the Irish.

Nov 11 says it all.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Blessed]

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No troll, anyone new is a troll hey. I am just putting forward the perceived AFL commission’s point of view on IR. I don’t necessarily agree with it.

 

[cos789]

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Jim Stynes, Tadgh Kennelly, Marty Clarke amongst others would care to disagree. with proper training, the Irish have shown an ability to adapt quickly.

They adapted. Quickly ?

I dont remember hearing this amount of moaning over rules last year when Australia made en effort, brought a decent squad and trained properly.

As you said they trained properley last time.

This time we had almost zero experienced players, 5 days training and coached to be non-aggressive lest the series be cancelled(first match).
Though been trounced on the scoreboard the team racked up the same number of posessions as the Irish and most of it the descrepancy could be put down to absolutely poor shooting. The other part was due to Ireland playing well.

Kudos to Ireland they did everything that was required, but don't suggest the ballance point of adaptability is right smack in the middle.

 

[cos789]

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Right now; Gaelic football looks like it produces better, more physical, more skilful players than AFL.

So why doesn't Ireland do better at Australian Football then ?

Without International Rules, AFL has no footprint on the world stage.

The IR series does little for Australian Football. It's better showing AFL games across the world on pay TV etc and promoting the fact you can AR in 60 countries and can contest the International cup.

 

[Sloth]

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I would love to see the Irish trained up in Aussie Rules and the Aussies trained in in Gaelic. Alternate games each year.

 

[Blessed]

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The IR series does little for Australian Football. It's better showing AFL games across the world on pay TV etc and promoting the fact you can AR in 60 countries and can contest the International cup.

No mainstream broadcasters around the world are prepared to put it on. It doesn’t even rate in Queensland and NSW let alone other countries.

Have you ever tried to talk about AFL football with a kiwi? They just aren’t interested and they are our closest neighbour and ally.


PayTV around the world has shown little if no willingness to show Australian Rules Football. ESPN in North America play one game a week and Setanta show some AFL football but you have to go and find it.

It is the opinion of the AFL commission, that the best way to sell the game on an international level is through

1) International Rules
2) Slowly aligning the rules of AFL football to International Rules.

There was no question in the minds of AFL executives that 2013 and 2014 would not be played.

The game of AFL football will continue to morph to align itself with the drive towards an International Rules agenda.

We have seen that take place over the last 10 years.

And yes, the AR International Cup will continue to grow as part of that agenda as the game morphs.


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[cos789]

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No mainstream broadcasters around the world are prepared to put it on. ]

That is true of a lot of sports but you deliberately wanted to disguise the fact you can watch AR in most parts of the world if you search the pay TV or the Australia network. Some leagues now televise their local AR games.

Have you ever tried to talk about AFL football with a kiwi?

Yes, I actually found a Kiwi that plays AR and says the code has recieved a big push along recently. Though most people follow RU he says the main interest is from rugby types.

ESPN in North America play one game a week and Setanta show some AFL football but you have to go and find it.

You acknowledge it yourself.

The game of AFL football will continue to morph to align itself with the drive towards an International Rules agenda.

You know, the trick to being a troll is to make your troll sound plausible.
The game of Australian Football has taken a definitie leap away from IR and towards rugby if anything. The interpretation for a tackle returns to a very firm tackle and the "carried forward" has been rejected.Gone are the days of the quick bouncedown. Now the ball has to be completely dead before the umpire calls it his bringing on calls that it looks like a rugby scrum.

 

[Blessed]

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Man, you are arguing AFL is like Rugby. I laughed out loud at that one.

The whole objective of the AFL Rules commisison is to make it less like rugby and less congested.

Keep Dreamin.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: Irish Papers bragging about beating us but they dont mention they played a 3rd rate Australian t

Frankly the Irish have every right to feel a sense of superiority.

They are better than us in every way when it comes to the hybrid game.

Right now; Gaelic football looks like it produces better, more physical, more skilful players than AFL.

They deserve to feel a sense of achievement.

Where as, AFL goes back to being a game that no one in the rest of the world understands or cares about.

Without International Rules, AFL has no footprint on the world stage. We are a backwater sport that can’t grow out of being played in 4 Southern states at the bottom of the world.

Massive troll.

Thankfully we only have to put up with you GAA tools for a couple of weeks a year.

You Irish sports fans are even worse than our more closely related moronic RL brethren.