Gym & Misc Irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym II

[peternorth]

i am lucky in that i dont go peak hours. lots of room!

 

[phantom13]

Every gym has signs saying don't drop weights? Jesus man. What gyms are you going to? Only one I've ever seen that at was fitness first Collins St because they are on the second floor

i wouldnt see that as selfish. Think of gym equipment like a car park. If someone is actually using it, and it causes me to miss out, that's my problem, I will have to deal with that. I'm not going to suggest someone is selfish for using things in a manner they should be

Of course I'm justifying my behaviour. I explained what I do, and you said it's selfish.

Peak time is peak time. Some gyms are just better manager than others, it sounds like you've signed up to a gym that doesn't have adequate equipment to the members they have.

We only have 5 adjustable benches. Sure it sucks if they're all in use when I want one. But if they're being used they're being used, there isn't a time limit. You adapt your training around it.

I just don't agree what you're saying is selfish (especially in the real scenarios I've given about my gym).

I only pointed out you using "gym rat" as it tends to be a negative term used by the casual social gym goers.

Current gym is ground floor and has mats. Dropping weights can be intimidating to other gym goers, its a consideration thing. I dont think ive ever seen a gym that didnt have those signs but either way.

Im going to highlight two things you have said here

Of course I'm justifying my behaviour. I explained what I do, and you said it's selfish.

I just don't agree what you're saying is selfish (especially in the real scenarios I've given about my gym).

This is basically it. If in your gym theres no scenario where someone misses out because you are on the treadmill for an hour then its fine, go nuts. At my gym, thats a very real scenario that has happened before.

However

i wouldnt see that as selfish. Think of gym equipment like a car park. If someone is actually using it, and it causes me to miss out, that's my problem, I will have to deal with that. I'm not going to suggest someone is selfish for using things in a manner they should be

This kind of indicates that you see you using the equipment (or someone else using for that matter) as "first in best dressed" so who cares about others.

Im saying be considerate. Is compromising on using the treadmill for 30 minutes instead of an hour going to be THAT bad for you? Is the compromise worth it to accommodate another gym goer?

In my opinion it is, you seem to have a more "tough s**t" attitude towards it, which is cool, i just dont agree with it.

AGAIN - im not saying you have or would do that, or that scenario has or would ever come up for you (it has for me, as you said we attend very different gyms).

 

[DemonTim]

Current gym is ground floor and has mats. Dropping weights can be intimidating to other gym goers, its a consideration thing. I dont think ive ever seen a gym that didnt have those signs but either way.

Im going to highlight two things you have said here

Of course I'm justifying my behaviour. I explained what I do, and you said it's selfish.

I just don't agree what you're saying is selfish (especially in the real scenarios I've given about my gym).

This is basically it. If in your gym theres no scenario where someone misses out because you are on the treadmill for an hour then its fine, go nuts. At my gym, thats a very real scenario that has happened before.

However

i wouldnt see that as selfish. Think of gym equipment like a car park. If someone is actually using it, and it causes me to miss out, that's my problem, I will have to deal with that. I'm not going to suggest someone is selfish for using things in a manner they should be

This kind of indicates that you see you using the equipment (or someone else using for that matter) as "first in best dressed" so who cares about others.

Im saying be considerate. Is compromising on using the treadmill for 30 minutes instead of an hour going to be THAT bad for you? Is the compromise worth it to accommodate another gym goer?

In my opinion it is, you seem to have a more "tough s**t" attitude towards it, which is cool, i just dont agree with it.

AGAIN - im not saying you have or would do that, or that scenario has or would ever come up for you (it has for me, as you said we attend very different gyms).

Dropping weights is intimidating? Jesus. I think I now understand why there's such a point of difference.

And yes, there is a vast difference in cutting your session in half just in case someone else wants what you're using.

As I said in an earlier page, it tends to be the casual gym goers who are more judgemental and negative towards others. I think you've shown that now.

 

[DemonTim]

Note: I was the same when I first started training, whinging about others for stupid things and judging the hardcore gym goers (gym rats)

 

[phantom13]

Dropping weights is intimidating? Jesus. I think I now understand why there's such a point of difference.

And yes, there is a vast difference in cutting your session in half just in case someone else wants what you're using.

As I said in an earlier page, it tends to be the casual gym goers who are more judgemental and negative towards others. I think you've shown that now.

Wow...showing your true colors here mate.

You dont think your girlfriend who isnt entirely comfortable at a gym would be intimidated by bodybuilders dropping huge weights on the floor? Wouldnt maybe make her feel like she cant go in the free weights area?

Im far from a casual gym goer as well.

 

[DemonTim]

Wow...showing your true colors here mate.

You dont think your girlfriend who isnt entirely comfortable at a gym would be intimidated by bodybuilders dropping huge weights on the floor? Wouldnt maybe make her feel like she cant go in the free weights area?

Im far from a casual gym goer as well.

It's actually the people she knows she doesn't like training around. Girls she works with. She trains in the free weights area fine. The crossfit class (predominately female) are the main weight droppers in the gym

Don't take the true colours rubbish. You got on, used negative terms about gym goers and made judgements about me (then tried to backtrack in the same post). If you want to claim people are something, expect them to bite back. And expect your attitude to be questioned. You've already backtracked on your original list of rules.

I was intimidated when I first joined gyms, but that was issues with myself, dropping weights, or using equipment wasn't an actual issue.

 

[phantom13]

I didn't pass judgement, i said i could have but wouldn't, i dont know you, you could be a wonderful guy in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Frankly everything you have said since then has just confirmed what i initially suspected (in spite of me willing to give you the benefit of the doubt)

If you cant see that people dropping weights could be intimidating to others (not me, frankly i couldnt care, trained with powerlifters cross fitters and everything in between) or that not giving a s**t about other people because you need to get your hour on the treadmill in is a selfish attitude then you're clearly not on the same page as me. All good man.

The thread is "Irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym II" not "DemonTim and why his attitude about others in the gym is more correct than yours".

You've taken everything i have said here personally, you should learn not to, you'll live longer.

 

[DemonTim]

I didn't pass judgement, i said i could have but wouldn't, i dont know you, you could be a wonderful guy in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Frankly everything you have said since then has just confirmed what i initially suspected (in spite of me willing to give you the benefit of the doubt)

If you cant see that people dropping weights could be intimidating to others (not me, frankly i couldnt care, trained with powerlifters cross fitters and everything in between) or that not giving a s**t about other people because you need to get your hour on the treadmill in is a selfish attitude then you're clearly not on the same page as me. All good man.

The thread is "Irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym II" not "DemonTim and why his attitude about others in the gym is more correct than yours".

You've taken everything i have said here personally, you should learn not to, you'll live longer.

Lol no. You gave the cowards judgement. You made a comment and concluded it with that you don't know me so won't judge. You posted a judgement. Then tried to say you weren't. And now you're back to doing it. Don't back down mate, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt. If you weren't already judging, you wouldn't have posted your attack with a criteria on if it applies, if it wasn't a judgement, it wouldn't have been posted. It's disingenous to claim otherwise. It was the old "no offence but..."

What evidence to the contrary? I've said I don't judge people for using equipment how it should be. I've said I happily let people work in. I clean off equipment. Put weights back. I've often said gyms should have to go through ettiquette when people sign up, not sure what evidence that I'm not a wonderful guy you're referring to. It seems you just dislike me questioning your opinion and disagreeing with it.

Isn't bigfooty for discussion? You're a mod, is there a rule that opinions can't be disputed? Isn't half of having an opinion, being able to justify it?

Well you said my actions were selfish and made a claim about what I 'seem' to be. You made it pretty directed. You had your opinion questioned and went the man in one of your initial responses.

As I said, it seems you've joined a gym that doesn't have adequate equipment for the needs of the client, people using equipment that you want isn't selfish or inconsiderate

 

[phantom13]

Lol no. You gave the cowards judgement. You made a comment and concluded it with that you don't know me so won't judge. You posted a judgement. Then tried to say you weren't. And now you're back to doing it. Don't back down mate, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt. If you weren't already judging, you wouldn't have posted your attack with a criteria on if it applies, if it wasn't a judgement, it wouldn't have been posted. It's disingenous to claim otherwise. It was the old "no offence but..."

No i didn't, youve taken it that way. Now im not backing down at all, you sound like a selfish, inconsiderate gym goer with a superiority complex. The evidence is passive stuff like "Dropping weights, jesus" or "I've worked at gyms" etc. Good on, none of those things makes you right or for that matter considerate and not selfish

What evidence to the contrary? I've said I don't judge people for using equipment how it should be. I've said I happily let people work in. I clean off equipment. Put weights back. I've often said gyms should have to go through ettiquette when people sign up, not sure what evidence that I'm not a wonderful guy you're referring to. It seems you just dislike me questioning your opinion and disagreeing with it.

See above. I dont think hogging equipment is using it properly. I agree with the etiquette training and all the other points youve listed sound great. Ive never said i was perfect either for the record, you do stuff that i dont agree with (it is about opinion).

For the record i dont dislike you, for the umpteenth time i dont know you, but frankly your attitude towards behavior i think is inconsiderate makes me think i'd have an issue with you in the gym.

Finally diasgree with my opinion all you want, we are discussing it, youre the one getting defensive here after you "called bullshit" on some generic behaviour i pointed out. You personalised it, not me. I never said "i hate the way DemonTim does this at the gym did i?

Isn't bigfooty for discussion? You're a mod, is there a rule that opinions can't be disputed? Isn't half of having an opinion, being able to justify it?

Well you said my actions were selfish and made a claim about what I 'seem' to be. You made it pretty directed. You had your opinion questioned and went the man in one of your initial responses.

I really didn't. I clearly articulated that i was talking about my gym as most people here do. Etiquette at different gyms is nuanced. I stated something that i dislike in my gym, you responded and here we are. Your actions in the gym i go to would be selfish to me. Thats it, im not an authority and neither are you.

As I said, it seems you've joined a gym that doesn't have adequate equipment for the needs of the client, people using equipment that you want isn't selfish or inconsiderate

You know what, you might be right, so how can we counter that at my gym? By being considerate of one another. Not rocket science

This is pointless so you can keep going if you want. Clearly my responses or justification for what irritate me and my gym isnt good enough for you so im not going to keep trying.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Every gym has signs saying don't drop weights? Jesus man. What gyms are you going to? Only one I've ever seen that at was fitness first Collins St because they are on the second floor

I've never seen a gym that didn't have a sign saying that. Maybe you saw it at yours but just repressed the memory of seeing it?

 

[DemonTim]

I've never seen a gym that didn't have a sign saying that. Maybe you saw it at yours but just repressed the memory of seeing it?

Goodlife Mooroolbark doesn't. Goodlife Docklands doesn't. Fitness first Brighton doesnt. Fitness first Collins St does. ENRG doesn't. Spartans doesnt.

 

[Brad Goodman]

All that really needs to be said regarding peak time at gym is that you are not entitled to do the same workout as you would when it's quiet. It's common decency.

 

[phantom13]

All that really needs to be said regarding peak time at gym is that you are not entitled to do the same workout as you would when it's quiet. It's common decency.

Well put.

 

[DemonTim]

No i didn't, youve taken it that way. Now im not backing down at all, you sound like a selfish, inconsiderate gym goer with a superiority complex. The evidence is passive stuff like "Dropping weights, jesus" or "I've worked at gyms" etc. Good on, none of those things makes you right or for that matter considerate and not selfish



See above. I dont think hogging equipment is using it properly. I agree with the etiquette training and all the other points youve listed sound great. Ive never said i was perfect either for the record, you do stuff that i dont agree with (it is about opinion).

For the record i dont dislike you, for the umpteenth time i dont know you, but frankly your attitude towards behavior i think is inconsiderate makes me think i'd have an issue with you in the gym.

Finally diasgree with my opinion all you want, we are discussing it, youre the one getting defensive here after you "called bullshit" on some generic behaviour i pointed out. You personalised it, not me. I never said "i hate the way DemonTim does this at the gym did i?



I really didn't. I clearly articulated that i was talking about my gym as most people here do. Etiquette at different gyms is nuanced. I stated something that i dislike in my gym, you responded and here we are. Your actions in the gym i go to would be selfish to me. Thats it, im not an authority and neither are you.



You know what, you might be right, so how can we counter that at my gym? By being considerate of one another. Not rocket science

This is pointless so you can keep going if you want. Clearly my responses or justification for what irritate me and my gym isnt good enough for you so im not going to keep trying.

So I am selfish and inconsiderate? Finally. We got there. Despite you saying it was about context and it was just in your gym

if your original judgement with addendum, wasnt a judgement, why post it? Why would it require the addendum?

For a mod you sure go the man very quickly

I pointed out I worked in a gym as a support for people not agreeing with your rule set. I don't anymore. The industry is destroyed by under qualified trainers and money hungry gyms

 

[DemonTim]

All that really needs to be said regarding peak time at gym is that you are not entitled to do the same workout as you would when it's quiet. It's common decency.

i agree for abnormal workouts that require large amounts of space or equipment. Otherwise surely it's not an issue. If you've got a set routine and no other time to do it, go ahead!

 

[phantom13]

So I am selfish and inconsiderate? Finally. We got there. Despite you saying it was about context and it was just in your gym

if your original judgement with addendum, wasnt a judgement, why post it? Why would it require the addendum?

For a mod you sure go the man very quickly

I pointed out I worked in a gym as a support for people not agreeing with your rule set. I don't anymore. The industry is destroyed by under qualified trainers and money hungry gyms

1- I'm not a mod on this board. So it has nothing to do with it
2- I'd say you have a real complex about people going you and that for a normal poster you take it personally very quickly
3- Its not a rule set, you either don't read or don't care. Its my opinion, not a rule. Do what you want. I think your behavior is selfish, you dont agree.

 

[phantom13]

i agree for abnormal workouts that require large amounts of space or equipment. Otherwise surely it's not an issue. If you've got a set routine and no other time to do it, go ahead!

Thats not what he said... At all.

 

[DemonTim]

Thats not what he said... At all.

He said you're not entitled to do the same workout...I elaborated on my thoughts on it. What exactly are you disputing or claiming I'm misrepresenting?

1- I'm not a mod on this board. So it has nothing to do with it
2- I'd say you have a real complex about people going you and that for a normal poster you take it personally very quickly
3- Its not a rule set, you either don't read or don't care. Its my opinion, not a rule. Do what you want. I think your behavior is selfish, you dont agree.

So you can't answer why you'd point out a possible judgement, then claim you won't judge? You can't specify a reason for it

You're going to need to make up your mind. You said I'm not selfish because I'm not preventing others. Now you're saying I am selfish? Pretty clearly said that as long as people arent taking up large amounts of space or equipment they can train as they wish, no issue. Not really sure how that's selfish, I'm literally saying I don't have an issue with others using equipment I want. Strange you'd conclude that as selfish.

 

[Dav1d]

People that celebrate finishing a set usually aren't annoying & sometimes they can be amusing.. but those that do it after every single set & get really pumped, sometimes I wish some would tone it down.

 

[phantom13]

He said you're not entitled to do the same workout...I elaborated on my thoughts on it. What exactly are you disputing or claiming I'm misrepresenting?

He clearly said "you are not entitled to do the same workout as you would when it's quiet". Your normal workout being an hour on the treadmill, meaning your not entitled to do that. So you don't agree with him.

So you can't answer why you'd point out a possible judgement, then claim you won't judge? You can't specify a reason for it

You're going to need to make up your mind. You said I'm not selfish because I'm not preventing others. Now you're saying I am selfish? Pretty clearly said that as long as people arent taking up large amounts of space or equipment they can train as they wish, no issue. Not really sure how that's selfish, I'm literally saying I don't have an issue with others using equipment I want. Strange you'd conclude that as selfish.

I have got no idea what your on about here. I said i wouldn't judge you cause i didn't know you and i didn't then, you elaborated on your thoughts and now i think i know enough to make a judgement. Basically you seemed selfish but i was willing to give you the BOD now i know more i'm sure you are.

I don't conclude you letting others workout as selfish, dont make a strawman argument, i conclude you are the sort of bloke that doesn't consider others in the gym (dropping weights isnt an issue because it doesn't bother you, f**k others who want a treadmill when its busy cause i need to do my hour). In your gym which is clearly a place with millions of square feet of floor area and two treadmills for every patron thats not an issue and if i went to your gym i clearly wouldnt care cause id have oodles of space and equipment no matter what time of day or night it is. At my gym what you do would be considered selfish by me and maybe others, who knows.

 

[DemonTim]

He clearly said "you are not entitled to do the same workout as you would when it's quiet". Your normal workout being an hour on the treadmill, meaning your not entitled to do that. So you don't agree with him.



I have got no idea what your on about here. I said i wouldn't judge you cause i didn't know you and i didn't then, you elaborated on your thoughts and now i think i know enough to make a judgement. Basically you seemed selfish but i was willing to give you the BOD now i know more i'm sure you are.

I don't conclude you letting others workout as selfish, dont make a strawman argument, i conclude you are the sort of bloke that doesn't consider others in the gym (dropping weights isnt an issue because it doesn't bother you, f**k others who want a treadmill when its busy cause i need to do my hour). In your gym which is clearly a place with millions of square feet of floor area and two treadmills for every patron thats not an issue and if i went to your gym i clearly wouldnt care cause id have oodles of space and equipment no matter what time of day or night it is. At my gym what you do would be considered selfish by me and maybe others, who knows.

So why say it mate? I'm happy to concede that it wasn't intended, but surely you can see that pointing out that I seem something, but you won't judge, comes off as a crack. I'll admit re-reading my calling bullshit came off aggressive. Not my intent. More just saying I disagreed, as I read your initial post as an absolute list, not based on your gym alone.

I'm saying how is my attitude of "I'm happy for people to do whatever training they want, as long as they use equipment how it's meant to be, and don't take up large amounts" selfish? You're claiming you know enough to make judgement. I'm asking how the above is selfish.

Entitled is a strong word. But your response doesn't show how I misrepresented him. He said that about entitlement. And I said I disagree as, they can do their normal workout as long as it doesn't take up a heap of space or equipment. Im still unsure what you're saying I'm misrepresenting him as. It doesn't seem like you're actually going at me for something I've done.

 

[phantom13]

DemonTim You have gone so far off track from what anyone is saying its hard to keep track dude.

- You don't agree with Abba Lonie read what you wrote and think about it.
- Being happy for people to do what they want in the gym isn't selfish, i dont think i ever said it was (if i did i apologise). Not giving a s**t about others in terms of dropping weights or using the treadmill when others might be missing out is. You have the capacity for good and evil. Its not that hard to follow
- "Why say it", why not? its not a bespoke phrase. 'You seem like this but maybe im wrong, happy to be proven otherwise". Since then we have progressed and I think (thats a key here, its only my opinon) you seem like a selfish dude in the gym in general, specifally you would seem even more selfish in MY gym.

Are we done now?

 

[Jab]

Yes, we are done.

 

[DemonTim]

DemonTim You have gone so far off track from what anyone is saying its hard to keep track dude.

- You don't agree with Abba Lonie read what you wrote and think about it.
- Being happy for people to do what they want in the gym isn't selfish, i dont think i ever said it was (if i did i apologise). Not giving a s**t about others in terms of dropping weights or using the treadmill when others might be missing out is. You have the capacity for good and evil. Its not that hard to follow
- "Why say it", why not? its not a bespoke phrase. 'You seem like this but maybe im wrong, happy to be proven otherwise". Since then we have progressed and I think (thats a key here, its only my opinon) you seem like a selfish dude in the gym in general, specifally you would seem even more selfish in MY gym.

Are we done now?

I wrote I agree. Then added a point of difference in disagreeing with what he said. You said "that's not what he said at all". You still haven't said how I misrepresented what he said.
Your second and third points seem contradictory. So you feel I'm selfish in the gym in general, but a major point of my attitude isn't selfish. You've also acknowledged that I don't go to gyms, where my behaviour is selfish (although you seem to be suggesting something by sarcastically talking about the size of my gym and the equipment

I was conceding maybe I took it wrong. All I asked was if you could see HOW it may have been taken wrong from what you said. You just keep repeating what you said and justifying it because now, in your opinion, the point is vindicated. If you can't see how saying "you seem *insert negative trait* but maybe I'm wrong" couldn't be construed as a personal attack, I worry.

Although you seem to just have a negative way of speaking at me now. Which probably isn't helping (again you'll probably just say I'm making it about me or some rubbish)

 

[DemonTim]

Funnily enough I'm at the gym now (pause sets and long cardio ). Irritating that a trainer is sitting on the gym floor. Next to a power rack, eating his dinner.