Is Brisbane's Forwardline Good Enough To Get Them Into Finals?

[Harris Specter]

lol even your own supporters laughed at your post, I'm sorry but it's totally absurd. I really don't know how to respond other than to say that you have an average to poor list with little scope for improvement relatively speaking.

I stopped reading when you said we have an average to poor list with little scope for improvement.

Seriously, do you even watch the Lions, or do you just go off the highlight reel? And to think the top draft picks from the last few years won't be playing a lot of footy this year shows the great depth we're building.

 

[Sherrinator]

No I didn't actually because Adelaide had a good draw and a team of talented players with a good mix of elite players in their top 22. So their rise to the top 4 was hardly unexpected to those who know about football. Geelong started the year slowly last season and we got whooped a few times as a result.

Brisbane has a list of good players on the rise but no real elite players apart from Black & Brown who are both on the ends of their careers. They wont make the 8 in 2013 but I think they're a realistic chance in 2014 if they keep progressing.

So saying things like, "I'm sure you said...." when you are only making a huge assumption just makes you look dumb.

Who is elite? Dangerfield?

 

[kylegee28]

You must be a troll, I'll start down back:
Daniel Merrett - easily A+ caliber, one of the top 2-3 full backs in the league
Matt Maguire - B+, brilliant at picking of long kicks inside 50, spoiling and pack marks
Joel Patfull - Well, won the Merret-Murray, takes the third tall, good run and carry of half back, good disposal as well, I'd say C+ to a B+
Simon Black - A, nothing else to add
Redden, Rockliff and Rich - All A's and improving
Moloney - B+ to A, clearance king so far with his time here, can't wait to see more
Zorko - B+, unlucky not to be and A, brilliant pace
Leuenberger - Top 2 or 3 ruck in the league, if can stay out of injury problems he will be a star and is probs an A at this point, but to add Martin and Longer we already have a growing, learning gun in the making (Longer) and a guy who can play either forward or ruck in Martin
Brown - B+ to A, obviously getting old, if you really think that we are relying on him you need to pay closer attention
Green, Cornelius, Martin - All can kick a small bag of 2-4 goals on their day, takes a huge amount of pressure of Brown
And finally if you add all the other B's and C's we have a fairly solid list, it's clear to everyone that you don't really understand the game of football or just don't concentrate to much, just wait and see us dominate over the next 6 years

I thing you are overestimation our list a bit here.

Merrett - A
Patfull - B
Black - B-
Redden - B
Rockliff - B-
Rich - B
Moloney - Hasn't played a home & away game for us yet, so still a bit too early to comment (Should help our clearances though)
Zorko - B+
Leuenberger - B- (In 2011, was in the top 5 ruckmen in the comp, but we're still relying on him to get that form back)
Brown - Anywhere from D - B (Unfortunately, not what he used to be - Can still tear games apart, but not the same way he used to)
Green, Cornelius and Martin are all D+ to C+ players from what we've seen at this stage.

Also,

Hanley - B-
Adcock - B-

The good thing about our list is that we've got a large crop of young B players who are well on their way to becoming A players (Zorko, Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Hanley) and if some of these guys make the jump this year, we should be considered an outside chance for finals.

 

[policegetthatman]

Cornelius is way too inconsistent at this point. Our forward line is clearly our weak point and it's still up in the air how Stef Martin will go this year. We will improve this year and be on the cusp of the 8, but going by this thread a few Lions fans might get a little disappointed. Too many people taking nab cup form too seriously.

 

[the distributer]

Brisbane are the only team in the comp with talented youngsters.

 

[matwt73]

I think we have the right players in our forward line (and across the park), but finals this year would need some to develop further, (Green, Beams, Bewick, Karnezis, Longer, Golby) some to come back and pwrform immediately at their previous best level (Staker, Leuey, Moloney) and some to get no worse, (Black, Brown).

That hardly ever happens and i wont be counting on it.

Having said that i do think the young core of our side still gets underated by many (Rich, Redden, Hanley, Rockliff, Merret, Patful) and i'd not be surprised to see a few of those names in AA conversations.

 

[richoatthedisco]

No, it's not.

This.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Brisbane are the only team in the comp with talented youngsters.

Definitely.

 

[Lions43]

I dunno man, I think our backline is pretty strong

Golby Merrett Patful
Yeo Maguire Adcock

Hanley floating around there or on the wing

I agree that forward line is more potential than proven though the post on McGrath is spot on. He will easily kick 30 if he plays forward all year - speed, good on lead, accurate long kick etc.

Lions backline is top 8 quality for certain though. Is there a club in the league who would have two better defenders than Merrett and Patful? Maybe one or two at most and that would be debateable....

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

lol even your own supporters laughed at your post, I'm sorry but it's totally absurd. I really don't know how to respond other than to say that you have an average to poor list with little scope for improvement relatively speaking.

Just wait buddy, we will dominate this year

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I thing you are overestimation our list a bit here.

Merrett - A
Patfull - B
Black - B-
Redden - B
Rockliff - B-
Rich - B
Moloney - Hasn't played a home & away game for us yet, so still a bit too early to comment (Should help our clearances though)
Zorko - B+
Leuenberger - B- (In 2011, was in the top 5 ruckmen in the comp, but we're still relying on him to get that form back)
Brown - Anywhere from D - B (Unfortunately, not what he used to be - Can still tear games apart, but not the same way he used to)
Green, Cornelius and Martin are all D+ to C+ players from what we've seen at this stage.

Also,

Hanley - B-
Adcock - B-

The good thing about our list is that we've got a large crop of young B players who are well on their way to becoming A players (Zorko, Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Hanley) and if some of these guys make the jump this year, we should be considered an outside chance for finals.

Just wait buddy, we will dominate this year

 

[Full Wingspan]

I think you're a bit of an imbecile to try and 'grade' every player on our list. Just let the AFL world wait and see.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

This has been a hilarious read
Wait until you actually play a game for premiership points before getting all high and mighty Lions fans

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

You must be a troll, I'll start down back:
Daniel Merrett - easily A+ caliber, one of the top 2-3 full backs in the league
Matt Maguire - B+, brilliant at picking of long kicks inside 50, spoiling and pack marks
Joel Patfull - Well, won the Merret-Murray, takes the third tall, good run and carry of half back, good disposal as well, I'd say C+ to a B+
Simon Black - A, nothing else to add
Redden, Rockliff and Rich - All A's and improving
Moloney - B+ to A, clearance king so far with his time here, can't wait to see more
Zorko - B+, unlucky not to be and A, brilliant pace
Leuenberger - Top 2 or 3 ruck in the league, if can stay out of injury problems he will be a star and is probs an A at this point, but to add Martin and Longer we already have a growing, learning gun in the making (Longer) and a guy who can play either forward or ruck in Martin
Brown - B+ to A, obviously getting old, if you really think that we are relying on him you need to pay closer attention
Green, Cornelius, Martin - All can kick a small bag of 2-4 goals on their day, takes a huge amount of pressure of Brown
And finally if you add all the other B's and C's we have a fairly solid list, it's clear to everyone that you don't really understand the game of football or just don't concentrate to much, just wait and see us dominate over the next 6 years

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I'm not sure that it's funny, but it is true, that's for sure, I never ever said that Brisbane has the best list in the comp, it's just that you are so inconsiderate, you say we rely on Brown: False, you say we have no midfield: False, you say we have no AA or A+ players: once again false. You just need to learn your facts dude.

The only AA player Brisbane have had since 2004 is Brown who was named in 2007 and 2009. He's been injury prone and not the same player since.

And you don't have any A+ players, otherwise they would've made the AA team.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Who is elite? Dangerfield?

Thompson and Walker would also be very close, if not in that company.

 

[Lion for Life]

As with all teams vying for success, ours doesn't rely soley on the output of our forward line to get us there. We recquire improvement in all areas and I beleive we are building a list capable of doing that.

Whilst we still need Brown, he is no longer our only avenue to goal and further improvement from the likes of Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Green, Bewick, Karnezis, Hanely and Beams as well as key position prospects Martin, Lisle and Cornelius will provide us with a great spread of goalkickers capable of combining to kick a winning score.

It also starts in the midfield and more than anything we them to step up to the next level to become competitive with the sides above us, the addition of Moloney is a great help, but it is definitely the younger brigade that will make the difference.

Whether it all comes together this season or not is the big question, but if it does, then yes, our team is as much capable as others to make the finals. 2014 though is where I really think we will announce ourselves. GO LIONS!!

 

[Happy_Neale]

The only AA player Brisbane have had since 2004 is Brown who was named in 2007 and 2009. He's been injury prone and not the same player since.

And you don't have any A+ players, otherwise they would've made the AA team.

I don't agree with what that poster has said about our players but the AA team is hardly an indication of elite.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

The only AA player Brisbane have had since 2004 is Brown who was named in 2007 and 2009. He's been injury prone and not the same player since.

And you don't have any A+ players, otherwise they would've made the AA team.

Simon Black not A+? he came 2nd in the brownlow in 07 and 08 and then 4th in 09, if that isn't good enough to be AA then i don't know what is but it is A+, what you say doesn't matter to me, goodbye

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Simon Black not A+? he came 2nd in the brownlow in 07 and 08 and then 4th in 09, if that isn't good enough to be AA then i don't know what is but it is A+, what you say doesn't matter to me, goodbye

2009 was 4 seasons ago, he's no longer an A+ mid and not even in your best 3 players. Take the goggles off son, if all these guys you're saying are so good then you would have performed better than a measly 13th last year

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Simon Black not A+? he came 2nd in the brownlow in 07 and 08 and then 4th in 09, if that isn't good enough to be AA then i don't know what is but it is A+, what you say doesn't matter to me, goodbye

In 2009 Richo was still playing and Craig Bolton, Simon Goodwin and Brendan Fevola were all AA. It was a long time ago.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

2009 was 4 seasons ago, he's no longer an A+ mid and not even in your best 3 players. Take the goggles off son, if all these guys you're saying are so good then you would have performed better than a measly 13th last year

he was talking about AA players from 2004, have a read before you reply. BTW did you know that players get better as years go by? we also finished with the same amount of wins as you guys so you shouldn't be one to talk.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

In 2009 Richo was still playing and Craig Bolton, Simon Goodwin and Brendan Fevola were all AA. It was a long time ago.

I know but what I'm saying is that he should have been AA which is what you were initially talking about

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I know but what I'm saying is that he should have been AA which is what you were initially talking about

Sure. But he hasn't been at the level for 2-3 years, which is what you were originally talking about.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Sure. But he hasn't been at the level for 2-3 years, which is what you were originally talking about.

Ok whatever mate, I overrated our side a bit, I'm just a little excited that we are starting to become on the verge of success, I'm sure you guys over at Tigerland understand, aye?