Is Buckley A Good Coach?

[jathanas]

The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5

 

[Scodog10]

It’s pretty sad that posters are still tipping into this thread on both sides. We’re 2-7 with 3 of the top 6 over the next month and playing the worst footy the club’s seen since 05. It’s over.

 

[Matt_352]

No if that were true you'd be screaming that he shouldn't be involved and should let the professionals in list management and recruiting do their job

They did, they just happen to be abysmal at it and you want a scapegoat for their incompetence

They're all implicit every single one of em

 

[No SPIN]

If Buckley's resume is so good, then why have this team gone backwards for 9 out of 10 years?

Was Buckley's the best resume on the board table in 2009 when the succession plan was hatched? Were there even any other coaches considered for the position?

No - he was parachuted into position because he was an ex-player.

It's utterly irrelevant whether some phantom resume is or isn't better than Buckley's - the team has any number of faults from game plan to forward structure to poor skills that have existed most of Buckley's tenure. He has to wear the failure for that. He has had input into this list - it's his. Does Longmuir have a better resume than Buckley? Because he sure as sh*t is a better coach.

Too many players - Grundy, DeGoey, Pendlebury, Sidebum, Hoskin-Elliott, Cox and Thomas have gone backwards at an alarming rate. Others like Brown have failed to develop at all. The ones like Daicos who have, have stated that it was due to other coaches - Hocking, in his case (ditto Phillips).

Almost any assistant coach who has been in the system for at least 5/6 years, preferably under two coaches, and especially if they have been part a Premiership as either player or coach, or preferably both, would have a vastly superior resume to Buckley.

He is a failure on every level, apart from media performances, where he excels.

Just to be clear, I’m defending Buckley’s Coaching record against the absurd hyperbole of the critics like yourself.
As to whether he should be extended I have confidence GW will make the right decision and I have no problem if he wants to make a change.

Now going back to the Coaching record.

So who are these Coaches with better resumes you speak of that are waiting for a call?

You made that statement- not me.
Or are you now retracting it?

 

[No SPIN]

Nothing wrong with the stat. Buckley will be the 8th longest serving coach never to win a flag.
And when you add in his playing career, well.......

Gee Doc the guy that was previously 8th must be relieved that Bucks has taken his spot.

Seriously - some of the inane attempts to discredit Buckley are just laughable.

 

[Doc1763]

Gee Doc the guy that was previously 8th must be relieved that Bucks has taken his spot.

Seriously - some of the inane attempts to discredit Buckley are just laughable.

Its a long time to be mediocre, but continue on trying to justify his existence, its quite entertaining.

 

[Matrix10]

Buckley is fool`s gold as a coach, speaks well, very articulate, but at the end of the day he does not cut the mustard as a coach, gifted player and an all time champion of our club, our romance and adoration of our past greats is a major reason we fail to reach the ultimate glory, we let our rose coloured glasses impair our vision, a determination to seek the best candidates for any position, be it the boot studder or the coach, we live in fairy land as we continue to look after the "boy`s" club, enough is enough, stop treating your supporter base with contempt and as imbeciles ,we are relevant, it is us supporters, members that makes us, it`s not one man`s club, be it Ed or Bucks, it`s the ones who are invested emotionally and financially that you represent every time you are given the honour of putting on that Black and White jumper.

 

[No SPIN]

Its a long time to be mediocre, but continue on trying to justify his existence, its quite entertaining.

i will happily defend his record against the vacuous criticisms like yours above.
Do you actually think Buckley’s future Coaching prospects will be scuttled by that irrelevant stat?

 

[domus]

Just to be clear, I’m defending Buckley’s Coaching record against the absurd hyperbole of the critics like yourself.
As to whether he should be extended I have confidence GW will make the right decision and I have no problem if he wants to make a change.

Now going back to the Coaching record.

So who are these Coaches with better resumes you speak of that are waiting for a call?

You made that statement- not me.
Or are you now retracting it?

Buck's coaching record is mediocre at best. How could you think otherwise?

 

[Aussie pie]

Buckley is fool`s gold as a coach, speaks well, very articulate, but at the end of the day he does not cut the mustard as a coach, gifted player and an all time champion of our club, our romance and adoration of our past greats is a major reason we fail to reach the ultimate glory, we let our rose coloured glasses impair our vision, a determination to seek the best candidates for any position, be it the boot studder or the coach, we live in fairy land as we continue to look after the "boy`s" club, enough is enough, stop treating your supporter base with contempt and as imbeciles ,we are relevant, it is us supporters, members that makes us, it`s not one man`s club, be it Ed or Bucks, it`s the ones who are invested emotionally and financially that you represent every time you are given the honour of putting on that Black and White jumper.

Agree with what you said but I can’t let the atrocious use of punctuation go unnoticed. Please use a full stop, it’s the little dot. Your paragraph is like our game plan. All defence and no attack, you go all commas and no full stops.

 

[Kalidakope]

Buck's coaching record is mediocre at best. How could you think otherwise?

And he had all those advantages of 8 x 1st round draft picks down the drain and bloated contracts given to injury riddled slow duds

 

[No SPIN]

Buck's coaching record is mediocre at best. How could you think otherwise?

I’m not aware that Coach of the Year is won in a raffle.
Nor that Finals , Top4 , PF or GF spots were part of the same raffle.
You could definitely argue Buckley was mediocre before 2017, but not since.
And recent form is the only form that matters.

 

[Doc1763]

i will happily defend his record against the vacuous criticisms like yours above.
Do you actually think Buckley’s future Coaching prospects will be scuttled by that irrelevant stat?

He'll never get another senior gig, and rightly so.

 

[No SPIN]

He'll never get another senior gig, and rightly so.

Clearly the opinion of an emotional and biased supporter.
The people who’s opinions count are far more astute.

 

[Carringbush2010]

We are though, so fretting about the past is not going to change that. We face massive upheaval.

That doesn't mean we just let the club / Buckley off scott free, the future is bleak and the fan base is rightly pissed off and will be until there is real tangible evidence of the team going back up the ladder in a positive way. How is the roll going by the way?

 

[Doc1763]

I’m not aware that Coach of the Year is won in a raffle.
Nor that Finals , Top4 , PF or GF spots were part of the same raffle.
You could definitely argue Buckley was mediocre before 2017, but not since.
And recent form is the only form that matters.

Our recent form since halfway through last year isn't mediocre? Nor the downward trend since the outlier season?
No? Obviously not. Keep spinning.

 

[Doc1763]

Clearly the opinion of an emotional and biased supporter.
The people who’s opinions count are far more astute.

Like yourself, I suppose.

 

[Kalidakope]

The reality is you need to forget everyone older than Adams Crisp and Grundy (27yrs) and start filling in the holes to get back as soon as possible, if you look at that side on paper it's years away from being ready even taking the odd recruit into account, won't matter who is at the helm

Quaynor Keane Murphy
Maynard Moore Crisp
Macrea J Daicos Poulter
McInnes Kelly McCreery
De Goey McMahon Dib

Grundy N Daicos Adams

Henry Rantall Bianco Cameron
Chugg T Brown Ginnivan Tohill

 

[domus]

I’m not aware that Coach of the Year is won in a raffle.
Nor that Finals , Top4 , PF or GF spots were part of the same raffle.
You could definitely argue Buckley was mediocre before 2017, but not since.
And recent form is the only form that matters.

We were never in contention other than 2018. It's nice to play finals but we were terrible to watch in 2019 and 2020. Buck's horrible game plan has simply become harder to watch in 2021. There have been some good moments scattered throughout Buck's tenure, but the grinding monotony of most of the seasons is burned into my brain. So often, even after a win in 2019, 2020 I would feel as wound up and frustrated as I did when we were wooden spooners in 76.

There is such a stagnant, negative mindset in our team. Winning is the most important aspect of each game but dear lord, instinctive, exciting, fast, energetic footy comes a close second. Give us something to scream about. Look at Richmond tonight. Their passion, aggression and willingness to take the game on electrifies their fans and that in turn inspires the players. That Gold Coast game had the atmosphere of a funeral even very early in the encounter. Chip. Stop. Look sideways, chip, turnover, win it back...chip.

If recent form is all that matters we have been on a downhill trajectory since 2018. Using your logic, Bucks is a dead man walking.

 

[ottoman]

Clearly the opinion of an emotional and biased supporter.
The people who’s opinions count are far more astute.

Are they the same astute people who botched the salary cap?
Are they the same astute people who gave a ruckman 7 mill over 7 years?
Are they the same astute people who gave up 2 first rounders for an ageing Beams?
Are they the same astute people who gave Wells far too much for too many years?
Are they the same astute people who see us paying 300k a year for a player who wanted to stay with us play at another club?
Are they the same astute people who gave a guy who was banned for gambling a contract extension on big coin only to then march him out the door?
Are they the same astute people who see us in a position where we have nothing to show for our last 8 first round picks.

The problem is Spinny the peoplw who's opinions count aren't astute.
That's why we are in this mess.

 

[Doc1763]

Are they the same astute people who botched the salary cap?
Are they the same astute people who gave a ruckman 7 mill over 7 years?
Are they the same astute people who gave up 2 first rounders for an ageing Beams?
Are they the same astute people who gave Wells far too much for too many years?
Are they the same astute people who see us paying 300k a year for a player who wanted to stay with us play at another club?
Are they the same astute people who gave a guy who was banned for gambling a contract extension on big coin only to then march him out the door?
Are they the same astute people who see us in a position where we have nothing to show for our last 8 first round picks.

The problem is Spinny the peoplw who's opinions count aren't astute.
That's why we are in this mess.

Well, the most "astute" of them all is gone, so hopefully, his biggest bungle will be consigned to history very soon.

 

[No SPIN]

Our recent form since halfway through last year isn't mediocre? Nor the downward trend since the outlier season?
No? Obviously not. Keep spinning.

These are the vacuous arguments - selective facts that are meaningless.
He lifted the team from 13th to 2nd in one year, and has not missed finals since, achieved 2 x Top4, 2 x PF and a GF, and Coach of the Year.
That you guys need to use his record prior to 2018 to prove mediocrity is laughable, and desperate.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The reality is you need to forget everyone older than Adams Crisp and Grundy and start filling in the holes to get back as soon as possible, if you look at that side on paper it's years away from being ready even taking the odd recruit into account, won't matter who is at the helm

Quaynor Keane Murphy
Maynard Moore Crisp
Macrea J Daicos Poulter
McInnes Kelly McCreery
De Goey McMahon Henry

Grundy N Daicos Adams

Dib Rantall T Brown Cameron
Bianco Chugg Ginnivan Tohill

And whose fault is that? There are a number of incompetency's responsible for where we shouldn't be. Hint - the club.

 

[Doc1763]

These are the vacuous arguments - selective facts that are meaningless.
He lifted the team from 13th to 2nd in one year, and has not missed finals since, achieved 2 x Top4, 2 x PF and a GF, and Coach of the Year.
That you guys need to use his record prior to 2018 to prove mediocrity is laughable, and desperate.

Yeah, we're just flying.
He can't coach.
Keep spinning.

 

[No SPIN]

Like yourself, I suppose.

yes - I’m rational enough to acknowledge his achievements while understanding the need for change.

 

[domus]

These are the vacuous arguments - selective facts that are meaningless.
He lifted the team from 13th to 2nd in one year, and has not missed finals since, achieved 2 x Top4, 2 x PF and a GF, and Coach of the Year.
That you guys need to use his record prior to 2018 to prove mediocrity is laughable, and desperate.

If he had won two flags in his first two years and done nothing since you would be using his early success to argue for his re-instatement as coach. Talk about vacuous arguments.