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Is Essendon's list still the worst in the AFL?
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Armfield, Thornton, O'hAilpin, Austin, Carrazzo is fast becoming one, McLean hasn't shown much since arriving.
DaSawx
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Love it, Davey isn't as good as Betts so that means he's a crab, keep it up BF.
I don't ever claim our list's great; but when people crank out the "worst in the league" and "Melbourne are far better" or "no kids" I just can't cop it...
Probably bottom 8 list. 4 or 5 kids come through, it looks a hell of a lot better.
Mark25Jackson
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i actually think they do have the worst list in the AFL
Reason being, they have a horrible forward line, and only one decent midfielder in Jobe Watson, and even then he isn't a legitimate a grader.
Your back 6 has Pears and the 36 year old Fletcher. From there they have no one who'd force any of Collingwood or Geelong's back 6 out. Even then, not sure Pears could force his way in at Geelong or Collingwood.
Their midfield is the worst in the comp. Even Brisbane have Rich, Power, Black, and that little Ranga from last year who looks promising. Watson is admirable, but slow and has poor footskills. He is basically a very poor mans Greg Williams.
Their forward line is relying on the hope that Gumbleton (after 5 years in the system mind you) will actually get a kick. That and Neagle actually giving a crap. As another poster pointed out, Monfries winning your goalkicking is an indictment, given he is up and down like a yoyo. Just my opinion, but the worst forward line in the AFL.
Rucks are good at first glance and people talk their rucks up. But. Hille is nearing 30 and had a knee reco. Ryder actually went backwards last yer at a fat rate of knot. That said he has been played in other positions through the preseason so maybe Bellchambers comes into the equation.
Then there is their depth. They have none.
Finally, you have a first year coach with zero experience or apprenticeship.
"BUT WE CAME SECOND IN THE NAB CUP YOU GEELONG SUPPORTING DOUCHE" I hear you all screaming as you read this...
Carlton won it in their dark days...
Reason being, they have a horrible forward line, and only one decent midfielder in Jobe Watson, and even then he isn't a legitimate a grader.
Your back 6 has Pears and the 36 year old Fletcher. From there they have no one who'd force any of Collingwood or Geelong's back 6 out. Even then, not sure Pears could force his way in at Geelong or Collingwood.
Their midfield is the worst in the comp. Even Brisbane have Rich, Power, Black, and that little Ranga from last year who looks promising. Watson is admirable, but slow and has poor footskills. He is basically a very poor mans Greg Williams.
Their forward line is relying on the hope that Gumbleton (after 5 years in the system mind you) will actually get a kick. That and Neagle actually giving a crap. As another poster pointed out, Monfries winning your goalkicking is an indictment, given he is up and down like a yoyo. Just my opinion, but the worst forward line in the AFL.
Rucks are good at first glance and people talk their rucks up. But. Hille is nearing 30 and had a knee reco. Ryder actually went backwards last yer at a fat rate of knot. That said he has been played in other positions through the preseason so maybe Bellchambers comes into the equation.
Then there is their depth. They have none.
Finally, you have a first year coach with zero experience or apprenticeship.
"BUT WE CAME SECOND IN THE NAB CUP YOU GEELONG SUPPORTING DOUCHE" I hear you all screaming as you read this...
Carlton won it in their dark days...
Crab is the wrong term for Davey. He should be called Cinderella. He is fast, but he runs away from the ball!
Wernumberone
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Watch the other clips as well to see how clueless you are.
jonoman89 alias?
i actually think they do have the worst list in the AFL
Reason being, they have a horrible forward line, and only one decent midfielder in Jobe Watson, and even then he isn't a legitimate a grader.
Your back 6 has Pears and the 36 year old Fletcher. From there they have no one who'd force any of Collingwood or Geelong's back 6 out. Even then, not sure Pears could force his way in at Geelong or Collingwood.
Their midfield is the worst in the comp. Even Brisbane have Rich, Power, Black, and that little Ranga from last year who looks promising. Watson is admirable, but slow and has poor footskills. He is basically a very poor mans Greg Williams.
Their forward line is relying on the hope that Gumbleton (after 5 years in the system mind you) will actually get a kick. That and Neagle actually giving a crap. As another poster pointed out, Monfries winning your goalkicking is an indictment, given he is up and down like a yoyo. Just my opinion, but the worst forward line in the AFL.
Rucks are good at first glance and people talk their rucks up. But. Hille is nearing 30 and had a knee reco. Ryder actually went backwards last yer at a fat rate of knot. That said he has been played in other positions through the preseason so maybe Bellchambers comes into the equation.
Then there is their depth. They have none.
Finally, you have a first year coach with zero experience or apprenticeship.
"BUT WE CAME SECOND IN THE NAB CUP YOU GEELONG SUPPORTING DOUCHE" I hear you all screaming as you read this...
Carlton won it in their dark days...
Really?
We're relying on Gumby & Neagle for our forward line.
That tells me you've been watching the pre-season very, very closely.
Most people on Bigfooty don't even realise that Neagle isn't even on the senior list.
I also like it how so many selectively neglect to mention Hurley when discussing Essendon's forward line. I think he has shown enough to suggest that he may become a very good forward.
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This, both of them only played the one game in the NAB Cup, and Neagle wasn't even played up forward, he was down back.
Very harsh on Howlett. The kid has played 1 season of AFL football and ended the year as our 2nd best inside mid. Give him a couple more seasons before you write him off.
Hocking is not a back pocket player. What do you mean by impact games? I was pretty happy with the run with roles he did in the last few weeks. Kept Hayes and Swan quiet for the most part. I think he might surpise you this season.
Have you heard of something called a contract? Look it up. A few of those guys you listed will be lucky to be on the list in 2012.
Davey is a complete and utter crab. Lonergan adds virtually nothing, and McVeigh is one of the longest standing jokes opposition supporters make about your team. He's played what, 5 good games at the start of 2008?
Get rid of them and pick up some kids or mature age rookies.
A crab is a slow player who chips the ball sideways. You couldn't have picked a more stupid analogy.
Most people on Bigfooty are smart enough to know that good clubs treat their rookie list as seriously as they treat their rookie list. You dont need to be reminded how many ex-rookies Collingwood had in their premiership side.
Neagle is still at Essendon. Its a spot that could be used on a footballer.
So please explain how Essendon are relying on a player who is on the rookie list?
Don't worry about Hurley. Neagle is the key to our success!
DaSawx
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So please explain how Essendon are relying on a player who is on the rookie list?
Don't worry about Hurley. Neagle is the key to our success!
Not only that he'd be 3rd in line at best for a promotion.
Yeah but, but, he's our only forward!
I agree with guy above me
Never said they were. But they should be. I just find the old "he's only on the rookie list" line pretty tiresome. Every list spot can produce a quality player.
Neagle should not be on a list of any sort. Period. Essendon have a lot of work to clean out there other 7-8 dead wood players at the end of 2011 and some of them should have been dumped last year. Neagle is at the top of the list of players they should have sacked.
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When there is a team like the Brisbane Lions then there is no way.
But.
They have an ordinary list.
To challenge for the top 8 consistently they will need:
They will need Melksham, Zaharakis and Jetta to become close to A graders in the midfield.
They will need 2 of Hurley, Ryder or Gumbleton to become KP forwards that can regularly kick 30-50 goals a year. (possibility)
They will need Dempsey to become one of the best rebounding defenders in the game. They will also need a Heppel, Hibberd or Myers to become an excellent backup to Dempsey.
They will need Hooker and Pears to be fit and healthy and hold down the key defensive posts. One of the 2 needs to become of AA quality.
They will need Jobe Watson to remain injury free.
Both Hardingham and Crameri look like likely types, but it is the preseason and sometimes players can look like heroes until the real stuff starts. If these two can become versatile swingmen, and be both legitimate B grade AFL footballers then the team looks a lot more balanced.
I still see gaping holes in the midfield. At the moment they are being filled by very honest battlers like Lonergan, Hocking, Howlett, Prismall, Winderlich and though he is at the next level Stanton. These guys may do a Dane Swan and become stars, but the much more likely future is that they will never play a key midfield role in a team capable of winning a premiership. Although if we're talking about taggers, i think Hocking looks very good in that role, and he may complement a very good midfield nicely. Problem is Essendon don't have a very good midfield.
Lastly, they will start the year on fire, and may even win some of the tough matches they have. But by round 22 they will have fallen back to the pack. The confidence that Hird and Thompson will be giving them will only truly be tested in the second half of the year. We shall see how they fair. One thing is for certain, they are much better off this year with the new coaching staff, and they will be great competitive value for most of the season. I still can't see them being premiership ready for at least 5 years.
But.
They have an ordinary list.
To challenge for the top 8 consistently they will need:
They will need Melksham, Zaharakis and Jetta to become close to A graders in the midfield.
They will need 2 of Hurley, Ryder or Gumbleton to become KP forwards that can regularly kick 30-50 goals a year. (possibility)
They will need Dempsey to become one of the best rebounding defenders in the game. They will also need a Heppel, Hibberd or Myers to become an excellent backup to Dempsey.
They will need Hooker and Pears to be fit and healthy and hold down the key defensive posts. One of the 2 needs to become of AA quality.
They will need Jobe Watson to remain injury free.
Both Hardingham and Crameri look like likely types, but it is the preseason and sometimes players can look like heroes until the real stuff starts. If these two can become versatile swingmen, and be both legitimate B grade AFL footballers then the team looks a lot more balanced.
I still see gaping holes in the midfield. At the moment they are being filled by very honest battlers like Lonergan, Hocking, Howlett, Prismall, Winderlich and though he is at the next level Stanton. These guys may do a Dane Swan and become stars, but the much more likely future is that they will never play a key midfield role in a team capable of winning a premiership. Although if we're talking about taggers, i think Hocking looks very good in that role, and he may complement a very good midfield nicely. Problem is Essendon don't have a very good midfield.
Lastly, they will start the year on fire, and may even win some of the tough matches they have. But by round 22 they will have fallen back to the pack. The confidence that Hird and Thompson will be giving them will only truly be tested in the second half of the year. We shall see how they fair. One thing is for certain, they are much better off this year with the new coaching staff, and they will be great competitive value for most of the season. I still can't see them being premiership ready for at least 5 years.
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He is terrible. It looks ok at normal speed but in slow motion he closes his eyes, turns his head and drops the ball. Would not get a game in a decent side.
And to all those Essendon fans bagging Knights and already praising Hird - what happens if Essendon do not win more games in 2011 than they did in 2010? Will Hird be called a dud in the coaches box as well? Or because he is a club legend will be let off the hook?
Mate, what does this have to do with anything? You are talking about something that has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.
The discussion is about Essendon's forward line relying on Neagle for it to be any good. He wasn't relied upon last season and he most certainly will not be relied on this season.
End of discussion.
Do you know the definition of true courage? It is to still put your body on the line even though you are worried that you might get hurt. He is a 60kg stick (with a history of getting smashed) yet he still ran at full steam against the flight of the ball into the path of 2 big 90kg players.
Just on your last point. I will give Hird atleast 2-3 years, just as Knights was given. Why would we write Hird off after 1 season? If he still doesn't have a half decent game plan after 3 seasons I will be the first calling for his head.
Wernumberone
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If you had the intelligence to comprehend you would seen i posted that clip in reference to a clueless poster who said he runs away from the ball.
Actually you probably did but decided to troll anyway.
Armfield - best 22 player, chronically underrated
Thornton - agreed
Setanta - agreed, provided he doesn't turn on his early 2010 form again
Austin - agreed (unfortunately injury prone, played weln 2009 when he was on the park)
Carrazzo - best 22 player, played some outstanding defensive roles on Dal Santo etc. last year.
McLean - it's been one year and he played very good footy rounds 1-3.
Going by the precedent the Bombers have set McVeigh, Welsh, Dyson and co. will still be on their list next year. I'd eat my hat if all the above players remained on out list in 2012: that's the main difference.
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Anyone that disagrees with your one eyed comments are trolls.
You can defend Davey all you like end of the day his average of 12 disposals and 2 marks a game puts him right at the top of the terrible players currently on a list.
UrLordUnbeliever
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I don't know if you realise this, but Essendon have the exact same list now that we had before the pre-season.
If our list was the worst list before the pre-season, it still is the worst in the competition.
If our list was the worst list before the pre-season, it still is the worst in the competition.
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