Is giving away pick one really that bad?

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Guys Be Confident In The Swann Plan B If Judd Goes To The Psd, Thrust Me.

 

[Scotland]

Collignwood have #14, West Coast have #13

My mistake, edited the original post.

 

[Bluebear]

Is giving away pick 1 really that bad?

Lets see:

Is paying $600k for a house really that dumb when the next highest bid is $450k?

Therein lies the answer.

 

[Genesis67]

so your saying
Carlton get: Judd & Pick #13
WC get: Pick #1 & Pick #3

yea thats probably fair.. probably a win/win there

I'd sign up for that now.

Win/Win really.

Trade Morton to Richmond, possibly get our third first round-early second round pick back.

 

[Blue Dimension]

I would be very dissappointed if both our top 10 picks are traded - and in saying that, it is very unlikely that it will happen - infact i'd say it's almost close to 100%.

No other club will offer more than what Carlton will. Please what a joke, picks 1, 3, 20 and Kennedy...yep dream on. If WC play hard ball Swann always has plan B. Don't underestimate plan B.

WC have no pulling power. It has been said many times before. If they want to lose Judd for nothing then goodluck to them, go ahead shun away pick 3, 20 and a very promising HF prospect in Kennedy. Carlton will offer what they believe to be an adequate proposal and if WC are dumb enough to refuse a deal like that and instead get nothing, then they're more stupid than they appear.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

I would be very dissappointed if both our top 10 picks are traded - and in saying that, it is very unlikely that it will happen - infact i'd say it's almost close to 100%.

No other club will offer more than what Carlton will. Please what a joke, picks 1, 3, 20 and Kennedy...yep dream on. If WC play hard ball Swann always has plan B. Don't underestimate plan B.

WC have no pulling power. It has been said many times before. If they want to lose Judd for nothing then goodluck to them, go ahead shun away pick 3, 20 and a very promising HF prospect in Kennedy. Carlton will offer what they believe to be an adequate proposal and if WC are dumb enough to refuse a deal like that and instead get nothing, then they're more stupid than they appear.

Correct

W.C can accept the deal that Richmond offer but if Judd refuses to sign then they get nothing for him

JUDD HAS TO AGREE WITH THE DEAL BY THE END OF TRADE WEEK. if not then W.C get nothing.

All Juddy wants to do is play for us.

And that PLAN B, oh its good, trust me

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

to secure arguably the best player to ever play the game in Judd - carlton should be offering pick #1 & 3. No players, no pick 20s etc. 2 top 10 picks is fair for judd.

You say two top 10 picks is fair for Judd but then we have two top 3 picks and they are far better than two random top 10 picks. Pick 3 is far more likely to be a winner than pick 10.

Seems if others clubs could do 6 and 9 or something that is considered great, but I'd wager that Pick 3 alone is better than 6 and 9 because of the likelihood of success. The young player taken at #3 will have shown twice as much as a kid taken at #6 on some occasions.

Everyone is saying #1 and #3 because we have them. If we had 4 and 7 or any other combination, it would not be a hard decision.

Carlton should try to trade something else for a pick in the top 10. 3 and 9 would be fine. Not sure what we can trade though. Freo have 7. Wonder if they would do Kennedy and #20 for Pick 7. We then give Eagles #3 and #7 and lose #3, #20 and Kennedy in total as has been touted.

Mind you Kennedy may well want to stay in Melbourne. Dogs, Saints, Bombers are all possibilities to deal with.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Besides, Carlton would be laughing if they got to keep their picks and pick up Judd in the PSD. Imo i still don't see why Richmond would pick up Judd when he shows no interest in playing for their club.

Don't be stupid enough to refer to the Nick Stevens deal either, this is very much different. Carlton have pick 2 in the PSD. All Judd would have to do is express his disinterest to play with their club. No point in picking up a player who does not want to be apart of a footy club.

Also in saying that, a large price would be placed on Judd's head. Richmond would be stupid to draft not only a player who doesn't want to play for them, but a player in which takes up quite a large chunk of their salary cap.

 

[kouta6]

u guys r forgetting we need a ruckman so bad and kruzer is tipped 2 b as good as cox and if we give them pick 1 hell go be4 pick 3 if we keep pick 3 hes a star and we need him badly. judd would b nice but only at an afordable price pick 3 20 and kenno r a suitable package but wether the weagles take it is up 2 them

 

[LennyLeonard]

u guys r forgetting we need a ruckman so bad and kruzer is tipped 2 b as good as cox and if we give them pick 1 hell go be4 pick 3 if we keep pick 3 hes a star and we need him badly. judd would b nice but only at an afordable price pick 3 20 and kenno r a suitable package but wether the weagles take it is up 2 them

Are you sending a text message?

 

[LennyLeonard]

Besides, Carlton would be laughing if they got to keep their picks and pick up Judd in the PSD. Imo i still don't see why Richmond would pick up Judd when he shows no interest in playing for their club.

Don't be stupid enough to refer to the Nick Stevens deal either, this is very much different. Carlton have pick 2 in the PSD. All Judd would have to do is express his disinterest to play with their club. No point in picking up a player who does not want to be apart of a footy club.

Also in saying that, a large price would be placed on Judd's head. Richmond would be stupid to draft not only a player who doesn't want to play for them, but a player in which takes up quite a large chunk of their salary cap.

Richmond can afford Judd!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't afford him to go to the PSD

 

[LennyLeonard]

Besides, Carlton would be laughing if they got to keep their picks and pick up Judd in the PSD. Imo i still don't see why Richmond would pick up Judd when he shows no interest in playing for their club.

Don't be stupid enough to refer to the Nick Stevens deal either, this is very much different. Carlton have pick 2 in the PSD. All Judd would have to do is express his disinterest to play with their club. No point in picking up a player who does not want to be apart of a footy club.

Also in saying that, a large price would be placed on Judd's head. Richmond would be stupid to draft not only a player who doesn't want to play for them, but a player in which takes up quite a large chunk of their salary cap.

Richmond can afford Judd!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't afford him to go to the PSD

 

[SS_Fury]

you guys seem to think you know alot about 'Plan B'....does anyone know exactly what plan B is?

 

[Blue Dimension]

Richmond can afford Judd!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't afford him to go to the PSD

That's not my point. My point is Richmond would be stupid to draft a player which not only takes up a large chunk of their salary cap but also who has expressed no interest in playing for them.

 

[LennyLeonard]

That's not my point. My point is Richmond would be stupid to draft a player which not only takes up a large chunk of their salary cap but also who does not want to play for them.

Like Stevo?????????? we must trade with Eagles

 

[Blue Dimension]

Like Stevo?????????? we must trade with Eagles

Can you read my post fully? Clearly you have jumped the gun here.

 

[LennyLeonard]

Can you read my post fully? Clearly you have jumped the gun here.

I know what you are saying. But Judd in time will get used to playing at Richmond. Stevens said to Port that he only wanted Collingwood, now he is about to become Captain of Carlton.

 

[Bluebear]

You say two top 10 picks is fair for Judd but then we have two top 3 picks and they are far better than two random top 10 picks. Pick 3 is far more likely to be a winner than pick 10.

Seems if others clubs could do 6 and 9 or something that is considered great, but I'd wager that Pick 3 alone is better than 6 and 9 because of the likelihood of success. The young player taken at #3 will have shown twice as much as a kid taken at #6 on some occasions.

Everyone is saying #1 and #3 because we have them. If we had 4 and 7 or any other combination, it would not be a hard decision.

Carlton should try to trade something else for a pick in the top 10. 3 and 9 would be fine. Not sure what we can trade though. Freo have 7. Wonder if they would do Kennedy and #20 for Pick 7. We then give Eagles #3 and #7 and lose #3, #20 and Kennedy in total as has been touted.

Mind you Kennedy may well want to stay in Melbourne. Dogs, Saints, Bombers are all possibilities to deal with.

The problem with trying to trade for another top 10 pick is that everyone will see us coming a mile off (like they would have the Pies) and try to screw us Royaly for that pick.........can't see us getting one unless we really dupe someone.

Having said that Bower hasn't re-signed yet..........any chance of Bower + Blackwell to Freo for pick 7?

Probably not, but we could ask......they have been prone to bad trades.........but I think Harvey is not going to trade his very first top 10 pick - could be a short coaching career.

Dees and Dons would screw us hard for their picks........as we would top them........and the Dogs would only give pick 5 for 1 player, and Fev ain't going anywhere.

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

Correct

W.C can accept the deal that Richmond offer but if Judd refuses to sign then they get nothing for him

JUDD HAS TO AGREE WITH THE DEAL BY THE END OF TRADE WEEK. if not then W.C get nothing.

All Juddy wants to do is play for us.

And that PLAN B, oh its good, trust me

Great Posts. How much Judd is worth is a moot point. The facts are he is leaving West Coast, they are not trading a contracted player as such. If they were, they probably wouldn't accept pick 1,2&3 for the next three years for him!! All of these WCE supporters and others keep talking about what Judd is worth. We all know he is worth a lot - as a player more than picks 1 & 3, but in these negotiations the context is different - what matters is the situation.

WCE options are basically what we offer (ie anything that is marginally better than any other club who Judd is interested in goint to) or nothing. Now some WCE supporters suggest they would prefer the PSD Richmond option just to spite us. That is ridiculous, the biggest losers in the PSD pick 1 scenario will be Judd and WCE - and of those two, the club is the worst off.

All of this cr@p about whether we should give up pick 1 is a joke! I say to WCE find a better deal that Judd is happy with if you can, but given the playing field and all of the circumstances, WCE really don't hold many cards. That is just the way it is. No person with any business sense would give away more than is needed in the circumstances, irrespective of the inherent value of what is being traded.

The deal should be done without pick 1. If WCE try to strong arm like Chocco did, and end up with nothing, then the members should find a Board with more business sense. Frankly, I'd be surprised if that happened, for a long time I have regarded WCE as a benchmark on the field and off the field including their business decisions and recruiting manoeuvers!

 

[iscah]

If I were on the Carlton board I would say to Richmond ... look if West Coast keep asking too much, how about if we (carlton) give you pick 3 for an average sort of player on your list, and in return you don't draft him as an uncontracted player in the second draft.

That way Richmond win as they get a decent draft pick (3) , Carlton win as they get Judd, and West Coast don't take you to the cleaners on your draft picks.

 

[Scotland]

Great Posts. How much Judd is worth is a moot point. The facts are he is leaving West Coast, they are not trading a contracted player as such. If they were, they probably wouldn't accept pick 1,2&3 for the next three years for him!! All of these WCE supporters and others keep talking about what Judd is worth. We all know he is worth a lot - as a player more than picks 1 & 3, but in these negotiations the context is different - what matters is the situation.

It's not a moot point. His ideal value is irrelevant, but his actual value is still a key consideration.

If Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and West Coast reject it and rate the PSD (& any potential Veale deals) more favourably, everyone knows there are going to be Carlton people just itching to make the deal better, because arguably the best player in the competition is at stake.

Time for a dairy analogy: Consider Judd is a fine cheese, which retails for $50. We are lactose intolerant and can't eat the cheese anyway, and the cheese is going out of date at the end of trade week, so we have to mark it down or throw it out. You are having a wine and cheese night at the end of trade week. Come Friday afternoon, you won't expect to pay the full $50 for a cheese you have to eat that night, but you still want that fine cheese to impress your guests. Do you want to be the host with the fine cheese, or the host who baulked at $30 when a $50 cheese was going for $35?

The most important point is nobody knows exactly where each club will draw the line.

 

[FieryNayta]

It's not a moot point. His ideal value is irrelevant, but his actual value is still a key consideration.

If Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and West Coast reject it and rate the PSD (& any potential Veale deals) more favourably, everyone knows there are going to be Carlton people just itching to make the deal better, because arguably the best player in the competition is at stake.

Time for a dairy analogy: Consider Judd is a fine cheese, which retails for $50. We are lactose intolerant and can't eat the cheese anyway, and the cheese is going out of date at the end of trade week, so we have to mark it down or throw it out. You are having a wine and cheese night at the end of trade week. Come Friday afternoon, you won't expect to pay the full $50 for a cheese you have to eat that night, but you still want that fine cheese to impress your guests. Do you want to be the host with the fine cheese, or the host who baulked at $30 when a $50 cheese was going for $35?

The most important point is nobody knows exactly where each club will draw the line.

Hahaha, thats a classic paragraph.

 

[Scotland]

Hahaha, thats a classic paragraph.

C'mon mainstream media, reprint it somewhere. You know you want to.

Give Scotland his day in the sun.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

^^ lol

 

[Melbdave81]

It's not a moot point. His ideal value is irrelevant, but his actual value is still a key consideration.

If Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and West Coast reject it and rate the PSD (& any potential Veale deals) more favourably, everyone knows there are going to be Carlton people just itching to make the deal better, because arguably the best player in the competition is at stake.

Time for a dairy analogy: Consider Judd is a fine cheese, which retails for $50. We are lactose intolerant and can't eat the cheese anyway, and the cheese is going out of date at the end of trade week, so we have to mark it down or throw it out. You are having a wine and cheese night at the end of trade week. Come Friday afternoon, you won't expect to pay the full $50 for a cheese you have to eat that night, but you still want that fine cheese to impress your guests. Do you want to be the host with the fine cheese, or the host who baulked at $30 when a $50 cheese was going for $35?

The most important point is nobody knows exactly where each club will draw the line.

G O L D, and in a strange way, probably the most logical thing posted on BF about the whole Judd saga