Coach Is Hardwick now the second best coach in the league behind Clarkson?

[BF Tiger]

It just goes to show that winning away from home is hard

your 2017 and 2018 away form showed this.

luckily you get to play every single gf at home

We don’t get to play every single GF at home... only the ones we qualify for... apart from the ones in Brisbane.

But I do agree winning away from home is tough. It’d be nice to have that HGA against all our opponents, but it is something only interstate sides get.

Regardless, Adelaide weren’t beaten by the stadium. They were favourites, they were confident having even booked a seat for the cup, they were more experienced. They crumbled under pressure. And history since shows they weren’t actually that good.

I don’t think Eddie Betts needed more experience at the MCG. How many more times did Taylor Walker, Rory Sloane or Sam Jacobs have to play at the MCG so it wasn’t “new”? Over a quarter of Richmond’s 2017 premiership team had less than 40 games under their belt, Adelaide had two.

 

[kranky al]

We don’t get to play every single GF at home... only the ones we qualify for... apart from the ones in Brisbane.

But I do agree winning away from home is tough. It’d be nice to have that HGA against all our opponents, but it is something only interstate sides get.

Regardless, Adelaide weren’t beaten by the stadium. They were favourites, they were confident having even booked a seat for the cup, they were more experienced. They crumbled under pressure. And history since shows they weren’t actually that good.

I don’t think Eddie Betts needed more experience at the MCG. How many more times did Taylor Walker, Rory Sloane or Sam Jacobs have to play at the MCG so it wasn’t “new”? Over a quarter of Richmond’s 2017 premiership team had less than 40 games under their belt, Adelaide had two.

That quarter of richmonds team had more games at the mcg than almost all of its opposition had in their entire careers

 

[PhatBoy]

That quarter of richmonds team had more games at the mcg than almost all of its opposition had in their entire careers

The ball doesn’t have a conscience that kicks in once the ball leaves a player’s boot that tells it to go in the wrong direction ‘coz the guy that kicked me doesn’t play here often.’

 

[BF Tiger]

That quarter of richmonds team had more games at the mcg than almost all of its opposition had in their entire careers

Broad - 6 games at the MCG prior to the GF, 12 games in total.
Butler - 12 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Graham - 5 games in total.
Nankervis - hadn't played at the MCG before he first pulled on a Richmond jumper in 2017.
Townsend - 9 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Castagna - 17 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Rioli - +/-25 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Dion Prestia had probably played in less than 20 games at the MCG, having crossed from the Suns at the end of 2016. Josh Caddy maybe a few more than Prestia having played his career at the Suns and Cats prior to 2017.

Whatever your arguments for the GF being rotated or played at the higher ranked team's home ground, and I accept they may be valid, the MCG was a very small factor in the Tigers beating the crows in the 2017 decider.

 

[queensberryrules]

Clarkson fell of the perch with the Vickery deal. He dug a hole with the Patton thing. And he, miraculously, filled it in himself with Hartigan. Incredible incompetence.

The Birth of Tragedy was a good read, but honestly, who actually bought Ecce Homo? Come on be honest now.

 

[kranky al]

Broad - 6 games at the MCG prior to the GF, 12 games in total.
Butler - 12 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Graham - 5 games in total.
Nankervis - hadn't played at the MCG before he first pulled on a Richmond jumper in 2017.
Townsend - 9 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Castagna - 17 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Rioli - +/-25 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Dion Prestia had probably played in less than 20 games at the MCG, having crossed from the Suns at the end of 2016. Josh Caddy maybe a few more than Prestia having played his career at the Suns and Cats prior to 2017.

Whatever your arguments for the GF being rotated or played at the higher ranked team's home ground, and I accept they may be valid, the MCG was a very small factor in the Tigers beating the crows in the 2017 decider.

Liam ryan zero games at the mcg 2018

as i said - you can go through adelaides players and you will find their OLDER players have similar numbers of games at the mcg as your youngest.

richmond in 2017 were crap away from the g

as were adelaide - both teams were awful away from their home ground.

Saying the venue made no difference completely ignores all the evidence

 

[PhatBoy]

Funny how adelaide’s alleged allergy to the mcg didn’t kick in until around 35 minutes into the match.

did a runner Go out midway through the second term and remind them what venue they were at?

 

[Noidnadroj]

yes.

we were 5-8 away from home.



yeah sorry but having a home ground that we don’t play all our home games at doesn’t give us an unfair advantage and our record elsewhere supports this.

Why is this soooo hard for Cats fans to understand. Let me explain:
1. Cats get 8-9 genuine home games.
2. Cats get 8-9 neutral games (games at Marvel or MCG where they play all the time.
3. Cats get 5 x genuine away games.

Other Vic clubs get:
1. 4-5 genuine home games (games at Marvel or MCG against non-Vic teams)
2. 11-12 x neutral games.
3. 5 x genuine away games.

Non-Vic teams:
1. 10 genuine home games.
2. 2 neutral games
3. 10 genuine away games.

No other team trains at the Cattery or plays
at the Cattery more than once per season. It’s a very narrow and long ground that is not even close to other ground dimensions.

That’s a HUGE advantage other Vic teams don’t have. There is basically no home ground advantage playing the Cats at Marvel or MCG … Cats have plenty of crowd support and play on those grounds all the time.

So to deny Cats have a H&A advantage over every other team is ignorant of the facts.


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[Noidnadroj]

It just goes to show that winning away from home is hard

your 2017 and 2018 away form showed this.

luckily you get to play every single gf at home

48 and 89 point Gf margins from memory …. Floggings of the highest order. But yeah, probably would have lost if the GF were not at the MCG, just like what happened in 2020… oh, hang on …..


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[Noidnadroj]

post 2017 ie 2018 you went to play adelaide in adelaide and had your pants pulled down. You went to optus to face eagles and had your pants pulled down again. You went to adelaide to play port and lost by 14 points and went to sydney and lost to the giants

you did manage to beat suns at gold coast.

If an interstate team lost 4/5 games interstate - ie 9 for the year we would be very lucky to make finals.



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Didn’t we finish 2-games and a huge percentage on top of the ladder in 2018..?? interesting debating skills on this forum …


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[PhatBoy]

Why is this soooo hard for Cats fans to understand. Let me explain:
1. Cats get 8-9 genuine home games.
2. Cats get 8-9 neutral games (games at Marvel or MCG where they play all the time.
3. Cats get 5 x genuine away games.

Other Vic clubs get:
1. 4-5 genuine home games (games at Marvel or MCG against non-Vic teams)
2. 11-12 x neutral games.
3. 5 x genuine away games.

Non-Vic teams:
1. 10 genuine home games.
2. 2 neutral games
3. 10 genuine away games.

No other team trains at the Cattery or plays
at the Cattery more than once per season. It’s a very narrow and long ground that is not even close to other ground dimensions.

That’s a HUGE advantage other Vic teams don’t have. There is basically no home ground advantage playing the Cats at Marvel or MCG … Cats have plenty of crowd support and play on those grounds all the time.

So to deny Cats have a H&A advantage over every other team is ignorant of the facts.


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We play less than half our games at home. That is all there is to it.

if it was such a significant advantage we wouldn’t have a 62 per cent winning record away from Geelong under Scott.

deal with it. Accept it.

Edit: the dimensions part is the funniest.
Two teams in Adelaide play on a ground that’s the same
Length and 4 metres less width on either side.
Oh my God how do the players even know how to find a teammate in those surroundings

two Perth teams played up until a few years ago on a ground even narrower again - three whole metres wider on either side than kardinia park. My goodness that must have been tough.

 

[PhatBoy]

F***en hell even making the grand final playing an entire season at neutral venues isn’t enough to penetrate the double bricked skulls of some

 

[BF Tiger]

Liam ryan zero games at the mcg 2018

as i said - you can go through adelaides players and you will find their OLDER players have similar numbers of games at the mcg as your youngest.

richmond in 2017 were crap away from the g

as were adelaide - both teams were awful away from their home ground.

Saying the venue made no difference completely ignores all the evidence

Richmond were just the better team, from coaching to players to tactics to mindset. How hard is that to accept?

Adelaise are (were?) a professional sporting organisation. They knew the game would be at the MCG, it’s not like it was sprung on them a day of two out. As their season progressed do you think they might have done some planning for playing on the MCG? Maybe set-up an oval with similar dimensions somewhere? Discussed amongst themselves how to play that specific arena, what was similar, what was different etc? Do you really think the MCG being the Richmond home ground was the reason why the Tigers outscored the Crows eleven goals to one from the start of the second quarter to early in the fourth quarter?

 

[big_rig]

How do people on here actually judge the quality of a coach other than the team's performance and some outside perception of tactical moves (which are pretty limited in AFL e.g Moore forward, ooh loose man behind the ball etc). Do people go down to training and actually see the coaches "coach"?
E.g everyone has now decided Leon Cameron is a trash coach - based on a perception of likeability on an Amazon tv show.
I'm baffled at the quantity of opinions about something about which there's pretty limited stuff shared with us.

 

[Genghis Tron]

How do people on here actually judge the quality of a coach other than the team's performance and some outside perception of tactical moves (which are pretty limited in AFL e.g Moore forward, ooh loose man behind the ball etc). Do people go down to training and actually see the coaches "coach"?
E.g everyone has now decided Leon Cameron is a trash coach - based on a perception of likeability on an Amazon tv show.
I'm baffled at the quantity of opinions about something about which there's pretty limited stuff shared with us.

Sports fans man. Sports fans.

 

[kranky al]

Richmond were just the better team, from coaching to players to tactics to mindset. How hard is that to accept?

Adelaise are (were?) a professional sporting organisation. They knew the game would be at the MCG, it’s not like it was sprung on them a day of two out. As their season progressed do you think they might have done some planning for playing on the MCG? Maybe set-up an oval with similar dimensions somewhere? Discussed amongst themselves how to play that specific arena, what was similar, what was different etc? Do you really think the MCG being the Richmond home ground was the reason why the Tigers outscored the Crows eleven goals to one from the start of the second quarter to early in the fourth quarter?

The two games you played adelaide either side of that grand final were in adelaide.

you got flogged.

Your gameplan works well on wide grounds and terribly on skinny grounds

thats why the mcg and gabba are great grounds for richmond where marvel and adelaide oval arent.

and of course vice versa for adelaide.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It just goes to show that winning away from home is hard

your 2017 and 2018 away form showed this.

luckily you get to play every single gf at home

Shit we won 15 games last year and only two were at home. The rest weren't even in the same state.

 

[kranky al]

sh*t we won 15 games last year and only two were at home. The rest weren't even in the same state.

Thats nice

in 2018 the eagles kicked arse interstate

in 2017, 2019, 2020 and so far in 2021 weve been rubbish interstate.

Its almost like its really hard to win interstate

 

[Ron The Bear]

Its almost like its really hard to win interstate

Harder for some than others. The 90's Eagles were better at it.

 

[kranky al]

Harder for some than others. The 90's Eagles were better at it.

Some years - some we were awful.

our fans watch away wins very carefully. If the formline away doesnt improve as the year goes on we get very pessimistic come finals time

 

[Ron The Bear]

Some years - some we were awful.

our fans watch away wins very carefully. If the formline away doesnt improve as the year goes on we get very pessimistic come finals time

Might be a valid benchmark. In the early-mid 90's, the Eagles won outside WA at 60%. The current incarnation wins at 50%. They're a rung or two below.

 

[kranky al]

Might be a valid benchmark. In the early-mid 90's, the Eagles won outside WA at 60%. The current incarnation wins at 50%. They're a rung or two below.

You wont find many on our board thinking we are going far in september - unless of course we get players back AND start winning against good teams away

 

[kranky al]

The ball doesn’t have a conscience that kicks in once the ball leaves a player’s boot that tells it to go in the wrong direction ‘coz the guy that kicked me doesn’t play here often.’

Yet astonishingly teams play better at home than they do away.

where would you rather play richmond?

mcg or gmbha?

 

[kranky al]

Didn’t we finish 2-games and a huge percentage on top of the ladder in 2018..?? interesting debating skills on this forum …


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Well yeah

because you only play 5 games interstate.

if you played 10 like us and lost 4/5 you would have been lucky to scrape into the 8

 

[kranky al]

Broad - 6 games at the MCG prior to the GF, 12 games in total.
Butler - 12 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Graham - 5 games in total.
Nankervis - hadn't played at the MCG before he first pulled on a Richmond jumper in 2017.
Townsend - 9 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Castagna - 17 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Rioli - +/-25 games at the MCG prior to the GF.
Dion Prestia had probably played in less than 20 games at the MCG, having crossed from the Suns at the end of 2016. Josh Caddy maybe a few more than Prestia having played his career at the Suns and Cats prior to 2017.

Whatever your arguments for the GF being rotated or played at the higher ranked team's home ground, and I accept they may be valid, the MCG was a very small factor in the Tigers beating the crows in the 2017 decider.

Shannon hurn

our game record holder… 27 games at the mcg….including finals….

Jeremy mcgovern - multiple aa player 13 games at the mcg inc finals

Tom cole 5 years at the eagles - 5 games at the mcg inc finals.