Expansion Is league in western sydney really that strong

[genghiskhan]

littleDuck is fast losing his credibility if he ever had any. He's really searching now, getting desperate.

The point he was making is that a stadium doesn't have to be sold out every weekend to be of value to a city. Whether the stadium is 55 per cent empty 90 per cent of time or 45 per cent empty 90 per cent of the time doesn't really matter.

 

[jackmac7]

The point he was making is that a stadium doesn't have to be sold out every weekend to be of value to a city. Whether the stadium is 55 per cent empty 90 per cent of time or 45 per cent empty 90 per cent of the time doesn't really matter.

The point is he is just throwing random numbers around to the point where he has confused himself. He puts so much effort into research for all these figures which goes to show how worried he is about AFL on the Gold Coast spoiling the party for his Titans, yet he maintains he doesn't care. He will have some serious pyshcological problems if he can't accept that the Gold Coast will have an AFL team.

 

[Rob]

The point he was making is that a stadium doesn't have to be sold out every weekend to be of value to a city. Whether the stadium is 55 per cent empty 90 per cent of time or 45 per cent empty 90 per cent of the time doesn't really matter.

A point which doesn't make a whole lot of sense when he's trying to show that the 15% capacity Homebush isn't a white elephant.
Thankfully the Swans are there to boost the attendances this weekend.

 

[Holding The Ball]

Pennant Hills is about 15-20 km west of Parramatta, about 6 or 7 km from Blacktown. Really, I think they are better off putting a team in the Hills areas, where there are no clear cut lines on what people support, and a burgeoning economy of young families lives.

No, that's Seven Hills you dolt.
Pennant Hills is a Barry Hall missed goal from Epping.

 

[Holding The Ball]

They catered for the Olympics .


You can't have an Olympic rectangular stadium.

Actually, yes you can.

Exhibit A: Eastlands (COMS) in Manchester

Track and field stadium (Commonwealth Games)

Football stadium (Manchester City)

 

[ssfc0203]

No, that's Seven Hills you dolt.
Pennant Hills is a Barry Hall missed goal from Epping.

The Pennant Hills that borders on Kellyville. Gawsh, I should just've said Kellyville shouldn't I ?

 

[Funkalicous]

No, that's Seven Hills you dolt.
Pennant Hills is a Barry Hall missed goal from Epping.

Yeah basically. I used to live in Pennant Hills actually. We always had awesome Aussie Rules sides. Plenty of support for AFL in that area. I always used to see people wearing Swans, Brisbane and Victorian team jumpers at Castle Hill Towers. Definitely ahead of the times in regards to AR in Sydney. But it's North Sydney, and a touch West. But certainly not Western Sydney. In fact I reckon the Swans would better represent the area than a Western side.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Yeah basically. I used to live in Pennant Hills actually. We always had awesome Aussie Rules sides. Plenty of support for AFL in that area...

I know stuff all about Pennant Hills, but the above post could explain why its produced 4 current AFL players - and good ones too -

Mark McVeigh, Essendon,
Jarrad McVeigh, Sydney,
Lenny Hayes, St Kilda,
Keiran Jack, Sydney

 

[Ancient and Loyal]

I know stuff all about Pennant Hills, but the above post could explain why its produced 4 current AFL players - and good ones too -

Mark McVeigh, Essendon,
Jarrad McVeigh, Sydney,
Lenny Hayes, St Kilda,
Keiran Jack, Sydney

It's part of the North Sydney RL district, which was pretty notorious for not giving a sh*t about junior football.

 

[genghiskhan]

A point which doesn't make a whole lot of sense when he's trying to show that the 15% capacity Homebush isn't a white elephant.
Thankfully the Swans are there to boost the attendances this weekend.

The Swans are indeed useful, but more useful is the Bledisloe Cup, NRL Grand Final, State of Origins and the occassional soccer match. If you could get some international cricket out there as well, it could grow into a good stadium one day. More variety of sports than the MCG, and international sports as well, but it doesn't have the MCG's heritage and feel.

 

[Doctor Jolly]

The Swans are indeed useful, but more useful is the Bledisloe Cup, NRL Grand Final, State of Origins and the occassional soccer match. If you could get some international cricket out there as well, it could grow into a good stadium one day. More variety of sports than the MCG, and international sports as well, but it doesn't have the MCG's heritage and feel.

I think you'll find the order of "tennants" as far as crowds are:

Rugby League - GF's, finals, and SOO. Then add weight of numbers of 15K H&A games.
AFL - 3 or 4 H&A games at 50K plus final (70K).
RU - 2 tests per year (NZ - 80,000, other 50,000)
Soccer - 2 ad hoc "tests" or exhibition games per year.
cricket - Sweet FA.

With the AFL commiting to more games via WS, they will cement their place as No.2 tennant.

 

[genghiskhan]

I think you'll find the order of "tennants" as far as crowds are:

Rugby League - GF's, finals, and SOO. Then add weight of numbers of 15K H&A games.
AFL - 3 or 4 H&A games at 50K plus final (70K).
RU - 2 tests per year (NZ - 80,000, other 50,000)
Soccer - 2 ad hoc "tests" or exhibition games per year.
cricket - Sweet FA.

With the AFL commiting to more games via WS, they will cement their place as No.2 tennant.

You need to consider more than just the number of specatators. I would guess that Rugby Union is probably worth more to the stadium than AFL. It gives the stadium international exposure, which is good for building its reputation. The Bledisloe Cup also used to sell out in about 15 minutes and this made it very appealing to the corporate sector.

 

[Ronin]

You need to consider more than just the number of specatators. I would guess that Rugby Union is probably worth more to the stadium than AFL. It gives the stadium international exposure, which is good for building its reputation. The Bledisloe Cup also used to sell out in about 15 minutes and this made it very appealing to the corporate sector.

Even I will tell you that AFL is of more value to the stadium than Union.

AFL has killed Union in Sydney, as they have taken away their supporters.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Even I will tell you that AFL is of more value to the stadium than Union.

AFL has killed Union in Sydney, as they have taken away their supporters.

That's an exaggeration and a half.

 

[littleduck]

Even I will tell you that AFL is of more value to the stadium than Union.

Hang on, I reckon Stadium Members would be signing up for Bledisloe Cup more so than any potential Swans game.

 

[genghiskhan]

Hang on, I reckon Stadium Members would be signing up for Bledisloe Cup more so than any potential Swans game.

I'd guess the same thing. Getting tickets to the Bledisloe cup has a prestige that is like getting tickets to a grand final. That appeals to the corporates.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

The reason why the bloodyslow sells out so quick is because they only sell 10-15,000 tixs to the public, the rest are given to clubs, sponsors and big wigs to get rid of.

And that is a fact, you always hear union supporters complaining about this, they say, why can't we be more like the AFL and NRL where the fans get the first choice blah blah blah.

 

[littleduck]

I'd guess the same thing. Getting tickets to the Bledisloe cup has a prestige that is like getting tickets to a grand final. That appeals to the corporates.

Yeha, and Stadium Memberships are their bread and butter. Walk-ups are merely the vegemite on toast.

 

[ssfc0203]

Yeah basically. I used to live in Pennant Hills actually. We always had awesome Aussie Rules sides. Plenty of support for AFL in that area. I always used to see people wearing Swans, Brisbane and Victorian team jumpers at Castle Hill Towers. Definitely ahead of the times in regards to AR in Sydney. But it's North Sydney, and a touch West. But certainly not Western Sydney. In fact I reckon the Swans would better represent the area than a Western side.

LOL, that's what you get for living in Western Sydney for all your life. But I'll be moving there soon, so its good to know that at least. Apart from myself and a couple of people I know, i rarely see Swans jumpers around Parramatta. There are tons more than a couple of years ago, and Peter Wynn's actually have a whole 1/4 of the store dedicated to AFL.

Small, but good developments in 2 or 3 years, but everything would take so much faster near Pennant Hills. The NRL have deserted juniors there, and many don't like the dangerous contact the sports brings .. but so we're not mislead, because even I get caught up in the excitement that AR is catching, RL is still well and truly number 1.

 

[Doctor Jolly]

You need to consider more than just the number of specatators. I would guess that Rugby Union is probably worth more to the stadium than AFL. It gives the stadium international exposure, .

I think you'd be hard pressed to legitimate a case of what good a PERMANENT STRUCTURE like a stadium gets out of international exposure.

"International exposure" is great for up and coming Australian actors who are prepared to MOVE to the US to capitalise on that exposure.

 

[genghiskhan]

I think you'd be hard pressed to legitimate a case of what good a PERMANENT STRUCTURE like a stadium gets out of international exposure.

"International exposure" is great for up and coming Australian actors who are prepared to MOVE to the US to capitalise on that exposure.

Prestige. International awareness adds to that prestige. I am sure you will agree that a certain aura surrounds the MCG and an aura also surrounds Wembley, and Lords. This aura attracts spectators, attracts corporates and excites players. Also, a stadium's reputation, or lack of it, also counts when bidding for sporting events. For argument's sake, let's say that Dockland's was the same size of Stadium Australia and equally capable of hosting a union or soccer world cup final. In a bid to host a world cup, do you think Docklands would be considered for the final? I'd say unlikely or no chance at all. It is is easier to sell a story where the final scene is in a stadium that people are familiar with, and can imagine.

 

[grayham]

Prestige. International awareness adds to that prestige. I am sure you will agree that a certain aura surrounds the MCG and an aura also surrounds Wembley, and Lords. This aura attracts spectators, attracts corporates and excites players. Also, a stadium's reputation, or lack of it, also counts when bidding for sporting events. For argument's sake, let's say that Dockland's was the same size of Stadium Australia and equally capable of hosting a union or soccer world cup final. In a bid to host a world cup, do you think Docklands would be considered for the final? I'd say unlikely or no chance at all. It is is easier to sell a story where the final scene is in a stadium that people are familiar with, and can imagine.

what a load of horse sh1t.

 

[littleduck]

Prestige. International awareness adds to that prestige. I am sure you will agree that a certain aura surrounds the MCG and an aura also surrounds Wembley, and Lords. This aura attracts spectators, attracts corporates and excites players. Also, a stadium's reputation, or lack of it, also counts when bidding for sporting events. For argument's sake, let's say that Dockland's was the same size of Stadium Australia and equally capable of hosting a union or soccer world cup final. In a bid to host a world cup, do you think Docklands would be considered for the final? I'd say unlikely or no chance at all. It is is easier to sell a story where the final scene is in a stadium that people are familiar with, and can imagine.

Fair call, to a certain point.

 

[newbee]

let's say that Dockland's was the same size of Stadium Australia and equally capable of hosting a union or soccer world cup final. In a bid to host a world cup, do you think Docklands would be considered for the final?

Yes , especially with the retractable roof .
It'd be more a case of whether you want it in Melbourne or Sydney .
It'd be at the MCG because of the extra capacity
supposing that capacity was needed .

 

[Fitzcray]

More deplorable crowds in Sydney's west over the weekend.
13,000 for Parramatta and 16,000 for Penrith in a Sydney derby match.
Meanwhile the Swans attract 45,000 in the same part of town.
Those who believe we can't sustain a team in Sydney's west are just anti-footy.