Analysis Is Leppa the Right Man for the Job?

[Lionmoe21]

i reckon we shouldnt sack leppa if we dont have a replacement or if there isnt someone who has shown intrest in coaching our club, if we get stuck with another former brisbane player as coach with a few years assistant coach expirience then obviously we havent learned. we need an expirienced afl coach or a successful assistant coach. anyway cant wait till we have a coaching race of aker, black and power for our next coach

 

[lionsbest]

I would love mark thompson or paul roos

 

[dizzysquizz]

Not sure if this is the right thread.. but can anyone comfirm training loads each week? We only trained for 35 minutes last week and we are only doing 90 minutes over 8 days this week? WTF!? It must be industry standard but i would have thought there would be at least 4-5 hours of training each week?

Yeah saw this on Dan Dalys coaches wrap and shocked me as well. They only had 1 so called skills session last week, this week pretty sure its 2 sessions.

 

[lioninthesand]

Yeah saw this on Dan Dalys coaches wrap and shocked me as well. They only had 1 so called skills session last week, this week pretty sure its 2 sessions.

Yeah it is 2 but still only 90 minutes. The mind boggles at how improvement can be made in that shorter time, but one would assume thats industry standard and learning is also done watching tape etc

 

[FFB1]

I'm very surprised it's 35 minutes - the skills often shown suggest more in the 10-15 minute range a week. Someone's having a lend.

 

[chopperduck]

It would be the main skills training. They are at the club every day doing recovery, game review and meetings, gym and fitness work, game plan work for up coming game and somewhere in there they have training. Training has some warm up and fitness elements, but what was displayed would be the skills components of training. Would also do some match sim stuff as well.

Outside of all that players need to work in any outside study they are doing. Also pretty sure as part of the AFLPA standards there are limits on how many days players are at the club. Essentially working conditions like any other job.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Yeah saw this on Dan Dalys coaches wrap and shocked me as well. They only had 1 so called skills session last week, this week pretty sure its 2 sessions.

Yeah it is 2 but still only 90 minutes. The mind boggles at how improvement can be made in that shorter time, but one would assume thats industry standard and learning is also done watching tape etc

Guessing there might have been shyte loads of corrective/educational video footage from the pies game that needed to be drummed home?

 

[FFB1]

Guessing there might have been shyte loads of corrective/educational video footage from the pies game that needed to be drummed home?

Think we're talking last week, not this week Freddie. Recall him saying they got a Monday flight home after the port game effectively leaving a 5 day break before the Pies game so they could only manage 35 mins in between all other stuff.

 

[Tairy Greene]

Yeesh, I think it may be as simple as a 6 day turnaround last week compared to the 8 day break this week.

 

[lioninthesand]

Yeesh, I think it may be as simple as a 6 day turnaround last week compared to the 8 day break this week.

Hey mate, just to clarify.. what I think most people are saying regardless of turn around.. only 90 minute training sessions a week is surprising. Not the sudden jump in difference or one low amount due to a short week, that's pretty obvious. 90 minutes was presented as some huge amount of time this week.

regardless of anything, 90 minutes a week for a long turn around is about half of the average I would assume is spent players having ball in hand. I am sure it is industry standard, just a surprise.

On top of that 35 minutes in a shorter week is just total LOL's. that would go so quick, you wouldn't even get the witches hats down.

 

[ColdWarWarrior]

90 minute training session a week? My kids under 16 team does 180 minutes a week and they are rank amateurs. These guys are young adults, they should be able to handle a greater training load than 90 minutes a week.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Hard to interpret the training session numbers without knowing what other clubs generally do.

 

[James North]

90 minute training session a week? My kids under 16 team does 180 minutes a week and they are rank amateurs. These guys are young adults, they should be able to handle a greater training load than 90 minutes a week.

Probably don't take quite the beating that goes on during an AFL game.

 

[lioninthesand]

Hard to interpret the training session numbers without knowing what other clubs generally do.

My Guess is we would be right on par, would be interesting to know.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Think we're talking last week, not this week Freddie. Recall him saying they got a Monday flight home after the port game effectively leaving a 5 day break before the Pies game so they could only manage 35 mins in between all other stuff.

Pies, Port all 4 letter P words... yeah jumped the gun on the week.

 

[notliondown]

Obviously excluding those drafted under his watch:

Rockliff, 2014.
Hanley, 2014.
Zorko, 2014-2016.
Martin, 2015.
Bewick, 2016.
Lester, 2016.

But why exclude them and the ones just before... one of the constant criticisms is that we can't develop players...

Andrew goes alright.
Reckon Lewy went alright too until he started worrying about a contract.
Gardner goes well.
Cutler look good.
Paps has grown hugely in his game.
Dawson has promise.
Beasley was developing well.

The players right now giving everyone heartache are players who have played longer under other coaches than they have under Leppa. I suppose any bad habits they picked up along the way are his fault too?

 

[dlanod]

But why exclude them and the ones just before

Because I knew the first response would be dismissive of the post for including them. As it was, it was instead dismissive for the ones I listed having their best year in 2014 or 2015, not 2016, as if Leppa can only be responsible for this year - no credit for previous years!

 

[notliondown]

the kick it to a pack of stagnant players game plan?

And where did you see this written as the game plan?

Was it last years or the newly developed one at the request of the players at the end of last season?

You know... the one we don't follow. The one the players obviously don't like??


Oh. Wait. Bit of a problem with bagging a game plan developed at the behest of players who then ultimately don't apply it...

 

[Eons]

But why exclude them and the ones just before... one of the constant criticisms is that we can't develop players...

Andrew goes alright.
Reckon Lewy went alright too until he started worrying about a contract.
Gardner goes well.
Cutler look good.
Paps has grown hugely in his game.
Dawson has promise.
Beasley was developing well.

The players right now giving everyone heartache are players who have played longer under other coaches than they have under Leppa. I suppose any bad habits they picked up along the way are his fault too?

It's all Burton's fault.

 

[Eons]

At the end of the day it's simple. If the coach can't get the best out of the players then he has to go.

 

[notliondown]

Interesting to see Daly's video and Rog's presser. A coach who explains just exactly what was tried during the game, who expresses his frustration and bewilderment and mentions how hard they take a game like that as coaches.

Then Rog. His speaks for itself.

Blaming the coach is the easy answer - not the right answer.

People on here talk like these guys aren't invested.

That there's not enough emotion. Or too much emotion.
That Leppa is too hard. Or too Soft.
We have no game plan. Other than the one the players drove.
We should drop players to teach them a lesson. But we should pay them more and be nice to them so they stay.
We should promote players. But we've got no talent and depth.

Short of walking down to the boundary line with a whip and lashing the players on Saturday night I'm not sure what any coach could have done. I saw plenty of disbelief and fury during those first 2 quarters in that coaching box. That wasn't a guy thinking "yep this is the plan I wanted them to execute tonight". And as for the look of being lost in the 4th apparently, he was probably thinking how do I do a press conference with blood on my shirt?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

More should have been learned in those "frank and open" honesty sessions between the players than Leppa or any coach for that matter could teach in 5 years.

 

[notliondown]

At the end of the day it's simple. If the coach can't get the best out of the players then he has to go.

What if the player's can't get the best out of themselves? What if we have got the best out of them? What if this is as good as it gets with the cattle we got?

 

[Eons]

What if the player's can't get the best out of themselves? What if we have got the best out of them? What if this is as good as it gets with the cattle we got?

And who's fault is that? How many list changes have we had since Leppa came in? This is the team that Leppa assembled and the players he wanted to keep. If he wanted to get rid of Rich etc, he wouldn't have let them sign off on his new deal, same goes for any player that has re-signed during his reign. If he chose the wrong cattle and kept the wrong players then that's on him.

We know this isn't as good as they are going to get. Look at the games against North and the Swans. We know we have the talent to push some of the top teams, it's up to the coach to bring out the effort and intent every week in the players. If he can't do that and the players aren't responding to him then something is terribly wrong.

 

[James North]

And who's fault is that? How many list changes have we had since Leppa came in? This is the team that Leppa assembled and the players he wanted to keep. If he wanted to get rid of Rich etc, he wouldn't have let them sign off on his new deal, same goes for any player that has re-signed during his reign. If he chose the wrong cattle and kept the wrong players then that's on him.

We know this isn't as good as they are going to get. Look at the games against North and the Swans. We know we have the talent to push some of the top teams, it's up to the coach to bring out the effort and intent every week in the players. If he can't do that and the players aren't responding to him then something is terribly wrong.

It's consistency that makes great players great ... our mids have been very inconsistent under two coaches now (perhaps other than Rockliff?).

In terms of the list/coaching team - this is the best team he could assemble. The task up here is not very inviting to many staff/players, I imagine.

I do feel that to some degree we've offered big long deals to players who we consider senior and who want to stick around in order to keep the word 'exodus' out of the papers.

 

[notliondown]

And who's fault is that? How many list changes have we had since Leppa came in? This is the team that Leppa assembled and the players he wanted to keep. If he wanted to get rid of Rich etc, he wouldn't have let them sign off on his new deal, same goes for any player that has re-signed during his reign. If he chose the wrong cattle and kept the wrong players then that's on him.

We know this isn't as good as they are going to get. Look at the games against North and the Swans. We know we have the talent to push some of the top teams, it's up to the coach to bring out the effort and intent every week in the players. If he can't do that and the players aren't responding to him then something is terribly wrong.

Not sure I can recall anyone other than the hysterical on here wanting to get rid of anyone. I certainly don't recall any coach wanting to sack any player who recently signed on again (which may or may not be the problem).

What I am saying is that players are recruited on potential. A coach can teach them skills. He can teach them a game plan. He can instill a style.

But he can't teach them hunger. He can't infuse want. He can't burn in desire.

It's up to the player to use the tools he's given both naturally and those he's been taught. They have to own their own standards, their own pride, their own beliefs, their own values.

Do you really think too many walked away Saturday night proud of their efforts? It doesn't matter who your coach is if you stand there and watch your man run past you.

You've let yourself down first and foremost. Everyone after that is collateral damage.