Analysis Is Leppa the Right Man for the Job?

[lioninthesand]

Carlton is our new poster child? Ok good.

Clearly we've moved on from 2 years ago and from Port. Spectacular rise to fame. Why can't we be more like Port. Wish we had Hinkley.

Last year I thought the Dogs were our new favourite wanna be... Why can't we be more like the Dogs. We need Bevo.

What about Melbourne... they've won a couple now... anyone want to be like them? Or should I wait until Sunday to ask that question?

It's hard keeping up with the latest fad team and coach that we should be...

Haha you have proven the frustration with our coach (from a growing number of people) perfectly, whilst all other teams improve, year on year and become the new darling.. nothing.. absolutely nothing in the way of improvement has happen with us, you're right it is hard to keep up with these rebuding teams that shoot up each year, also don't get people mentioning hinkley like its bad, id take ports journey in a heart beat even if it ended with a drop off.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Carlton Honeymoon periods?

2016 Bolton – lost first 4 won next 4 – final… unknown? – 50% first 8

2015 Barker – won 2 of first 3 – final record 3W 10L – 25% first 8

2013-15 Malthouse – lost first 3 won next 3 – final record 20W 33L 1D – 50% first 8

2007-12 Ratten – lost first 10 games – final record 60W 59L 1D – 0% first 8

2003-07 Pagan – first eight 3W 4L – final record 25W 75L 2D – 37.5% first 8



Hinkley…

Won first 5 lost next 5 – currently sitting @ 45W 34L 57% - currently 50%


And yes, I know Leppa's current %...

 

[Happy_Neale]

Carlton is our new poster child? Ok good.

Clearly we've moved on from 2 years ago and from Port. Spectacular rise to fame. Why can't we be more like Port. Wish we had Hinkley.

Last year I thought the Dogs were our new favourite wanna be... Why can't we be more like the Dogs. We need Bevo.

What about Melbourne... they've won a couple now... anyone want to be like them? Or should I wait until Sunday to ask that question?

It's hard keeping up with the latest fad team and coach that we should be...

Lol. I'd take being a flash in the pan at this point. At least we'd get one good year of footy.

 

[matwt73]

no different to the Brisbane Lions & Fitzroy

um... accept it is...

 

[GordonBlue]

But Carlton might have won 4 on the trot, but they are playing no youngsters. They were the 3rd oldest side in terms of age and experience on the weekend with an average age 26.20. They are playing an older team than Hawthorn and WestCoast.

Bolton is spin doctoring as whilst they drafted players, none of them are actually playing. Its the experience that is getting them over the line, and just.

They will fall pretty quickly once they get injuries and they start playing first gamers.

Sorry to intrude, but a slight correction:

Every single player that we drafted last year have been injured the last two weeks.

This includes all 5 in the ND and 2 in the RD.

We have played Weitering and Curnow as soon as we can. McKay has been injured since preseason and is still at least 6 weeks away. Cuningham is injured, Silvagni playing his first game back in the 2nd this weekend, Glass-McCasker is injured and so is Galluci.

And from our traded in players, basically everyone of them have played every game that they have not been injured, with the exception of Gorringe, who I don't rate.

With regards to the Brisbane situation, I definitely think you need a new coach. Being a Carlton supporter, I know all too well about holding hope that the coach will deliver.

Not one Carlton fan is under the impression that suddenly we have fixed all our problems. Our list is still very weak. In fact, I believe our list is weaker than Brisbane's list. But I can tell you that Brendon Bolton is the single most important signing my club has signed since Diesel Williams. Yep, more important that Judd.

As you are well aware, we were in your position last year, with a worse list, no youngsters, terrible forwardline, terrible defense, shit midfield, still heading Southwards and just nothing at all to look forward to (Patty Cripps aside). We then lost 4 players that would be considered among out top 10, 2 other top 10 players retired, so reality we have even a worse list; the worst forward line that I can recall that any team has had; Defense that was ranked 18th, lost a CHB and a running back; Midfield lost our best player and our best tagger.

So to turn it around like Bolton has, even if it's for a limited time, shows that whilst Cattle is important when it comes to winning a flag, the coach is essential!

You guys might be down and not seeing how it will turn around right now, however it takes a new coach (and new assistant, which is also really important) to turn misery into delight.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Lions just have absolutely no structure and it is Leppas 3rd year

 

[Balony_pony16]

I believe in the fact that history tends to play a factor in most things in footy, but especially coaching. I remember saying many times that Vossys winning percentage was getting so low that he was bound to get the sack eventually after many uears in charge. If he wasnt he was going to be the exception to what history tells us.

On Leppa his winning percentage is shocking as we all know, but considering it wont get better for years it is only going to get worse. Next year will be his 4th year and his winning percentage will continue to plummet. I just cant see him becoming the exception to the rule and especially when you consider how inept our team looks right now with no signs of improvement coming in the future

 

[Jemima]

Michael Voss' coaching success rate overall was 39.91%. His final seasons at the helm however yielded 45.45% in 2012 and 42.11% in 2013 when he was sensationally 'flicked' after 19 games. All this was without performing an assistant's role which, according to those in the know, was the big problem.

Compare Justin Leppitsch who has a dismal overall success rate of 23.08% thus far – 2014 was 31.82%, followed by 18.18% in 2015, this season to date is 12.50%. All this is after performing an assistant's role at Richmond, which we are led to believe would have better prepared him for the role.

Football is based so much on statistics - we are bombarded with them ad nauseum.

And yes, I know there have been retirements and player turnover due to family reasons/homesickness/general unrest etc but seriously??? Guess you know my vote in the poll.

 

[royboys4eva]

But Carlton might have won 4 on the trot, but they are playing no youngsters. They were the 3rd oldest side in terms of age and experience on the weekend with an average age 26.20. They are playing an older team than Hawthorn and WestCoast.

Bolton is spin doctoring as whilst they drafted players, none of them are actually playing. Its the experience that is getting them over the line, and just.

They will fall pretty quickly once they get injuries and they start playing first gamers.

100% spot on. Carlton has been playing the regulars and Bolton has done a great job in getting a response out of them and playing to a good structure. But don't be fooled they have barely played any kids this season other than Weitering. If i look at the current Carlton side i see a couple superstars in the making in Weitering and Cripps but the majority of their side that has been picked this season wont be in there when they next play finals. Credit to Bolton for getting 4 wins on the trot it's a big effort but sometimes this gives supporters a false dawn. We saw it with Leppa in his first year finished with 7 wins and we recruited Beams and Christensen and we were all speaking about a big 2015.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Leppa says in his presser today that we probably do more contested work at training than any other club (not sure how he would know, but anyway) but that it hasn't transferred into games. My question is why? when so many of our midfielders are experienced and a guy playing his second game can make more contests than three or four of his colleagues combined.
He also said something which baffled me which is that it sometimes takes three or four weeks for these things to show through. Surely he's not suggesting we only just started emphasising contested footy at training within the last few weeks given it has been a major weakness of the team for three years and is the very reason we recruited Bell, Bastinac, Jansen and prior to that Robbo, Beams and Christensen.

 

[James North]

Now that Roos says he thinks Leppa is doing a 'fantastic job', can we abandon any requirement to get him? (please?)

 

[MacMum]

....and how would Roos know whether Leppa is doing a fantastic job?....could only be hearsay seeing as he is not there to witness said coaching methods.

 

[M Malice]

....and how would Roos know whether Leppa is doing a fantastic job?....could only be hearsay seeing as he is not there to witness said coaching methods.

just a bit of coaching brotherhood on display.

i have been burnt before trying to interpret postings but i think James North s post had a hint of sarcasm in it.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Now that Roos says he thinks Leppa is doing a 'fantastic job', can we abandon any requirement to get him? (please?)

nice of him to show mercy early

 

[Betty Noir]

Watching Bolton on 360, he is clearly more proficient on the psych side of sports. I'm guessing this is Leppa's shortcoming. Also with a team of gen y's you have to tread carefully. Not like the good old days when you could give them a kick. I think the loyalty to team is a thing of the past. Some of these guys don't care about losing. It's a job. Like EPL.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Now that Roos says he thinks Leppa is doing a 'fantastic job', can we abandon any requirement to get him? (please?)

I imagine every opposition coach thinks Leppitsch is doing a "fantastic job" because he makes their jobs so much easier when they play Brisbane. Under Leppitsch, Brisbane have effectively become the BYE for opposition clubs who can bank the 4 points and think about their next game. I imagine Bill Shorten would have said Tony Abbott was doing a "fantastic job" if it meant the Liberals would have kept him as Leader and Shorten would be facing him in the current Federal Election.

But let's look more deeply at what Roos has apparently said about Leppitsch, because what looks like praise is anything but. The Oxford Dictionary defines Fantastic as "Extravagantly fanciful, capricious, eccentric; grotesque or quaint in design." I think that Roos was actually pretty spot on and what some people are taking as praise was actually ridicule. The dictionary also tells us that colloquially Fantastic means "excellent, extraordinary," but clearly he didn't mean that and if he did he was taking the piss, surely.

I think this is a FANTASTIC SONG but does that mean it's good?



THE FALL - "Fantastic Life"
Got eighteen months for espionage
Too much brandy for breakfast
And people tend to let you down
It's a swine.
Fantastic life
No penicillin to [eastern Great] Britain
And one thing I have found
What you cast out will hit back
And a man of pride has to deny his
Fantastic life
Ours is not to look back
Ours is to continue the crack
Met a fifty-four year old dustbin man
And four years he'd been in Jerusalem
Sell surplus oil to Arab fighters for aircraft.
Fails to burn Jewish terrorists
Well it's a little..
Fantastic life
Spells too easy to buy nowadays
And there's interference with the mail
And you just can't get out the words
Some people think if they had a job they'd be well
Hell!
A fantastic lie!
The Siberian mushroom Santa
Was in fact Rasputin's brother
And he gets to walk round Whitechapel
To further the religion of forgive, sin, and murder
Fantastic lie!
The white bread prole [big head]
He said he had a barney on Corporation Street
He said he told the policeman what he really thought
But knowing him I don't believe that crap
A Fantastic lie
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you
About fantastic life
And I just thought I'd tell you
Some fantastic lies
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you
I walked right round Wakefield Jail
A fantastic life
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you

 

[Alas Smith]

I imagine every opposition coach thinks Leppitsch is doing a "fantastic job" because he makes their jobs so much easier when they play Brisbane. Under Leppitsch, Brisbane have effectively become the BYE for opposition clubs who can bank the 4 points and think about their next game. I imagine Bill Shorten would have said Tony Abbott was doing a "fantastic job" if it meant the Liberals would have kept him as Leader and Shorten would be facing him in the current Federal Election.

But let's look more deeply at what Roos has apparently said about Leppitsch, because what looks like praise is anything but. The Oxford Dictionary defines Fantastic as "Extravagantly fanciful, capricious, eccentric; grotesque or quaint in design." I think that Roos was actually pretty spot on and what some people are taking as praise was actually ridicule. The dictionary also tells us that colloquially Fantastic means "excellent, extraordinary," but clearly he didn't mean that and if he did he was taking the piss, surely.

Fantastic post!

 

[James North]

I imagine every opposition coach thinks Leppitsch is doing a "fantastic job" because he makes their jobs so much easier when they play Brisbane. Under Leppitsch, Brisbane have effectively become the BYE for opposition clubs who can bank the 4 points and think about their next game. I imagine Bill Shorten would have said Tony Abbott was doing a "fantastic job" if it meant the Liberals would have kept him as Leader and Shorten would be facing him in the current Federal Election.

But let's look more deeply at what Roos has apparently said about Leppitsch, because what looks like praise is anything but. The Oxford Dictionary defines Fantastic as "Extravagantly fanciful, capricious, eccentric; grotesque or quaint in design." I think that Roos was actually pretty spot on and what some people are taking as praise was actually ridicule. The dictionary also tells us that colloquially Fantastic means "excellent, extraordinary," but clearly he didn't mean that and if he did he was taking the piss, surely.

I think this is a FANTASTIC SONG but does that mean it's good?



THE FALL - "Fantastic Life"
Got eighteen months for espionage
Too much brandy for breakfast
And people tend to let you down
It's a swine.
Fantastic life
No penicillin to [eastern Great] Britain
And one thing I have found
What you cast out will hit back
And a man of pride has to deny his
Fantastic life
Ours is not to look back
Ours is to continue the crack
Met a fifty-four year old dustbin man
And four years he'd been in Jerusalem
Sell surplus oil to Arab fighters for aircraft.
Fails to burn Jewish terrorists
Well it's a little..
Fantastic life
Spells too easy to buy nowadays
And there's interference with the mail
And you just can't get out the words
Some people think if they had a job they'd be well
Hell!
A fantastic lie!
The Siberian mushroom Santa
Was in fact Rasputin's brother
And he gets to walk round Whitechapel
To further the religion of forgive, sin, and murder
Fantastic lie!
The white bread prole [big head]
He said he had a barney on Corporation Street
He said he told the policeman what he really thought
But knowing him I don't believe that crap
A Fantastic lie
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you
About fantastic life
And I just thought I'd tell you
Some fantastic lies
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you
I walked right round Wakefield Jail
A fantastic life
And I just thought I'd tell you
And I just thought I'd tell you

I think your breakfast just went cold.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I think your breakfast just went cold.

I ate early.

 

[James North]

J. Brown thinks so:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n/news-story/8deff37e15d1e77534bd7daaf3dbccb7

MY old mate Justin Leppitsch is on the chopping block.

After 40 losses from 52 games, it’s not unreasonable to suggest his coaching days could be numbered.

But “Leppa” is one of the fiercest competitors I’ve encountered and I’m backing him to lead a Brisbane Lions resurgence.

Right now, I’m more critical of the senior players, some list management decisions of the past and a lack of development support in recent years than the coach.

Leppa’s hands have also been tied by a reserves team getting thrashed in the NEAFL week after week.

The problem is effort as much as anything. They made some progress in the opening few weeks but the last three quarters against Port Adelaide and for the entire game against Collingwood, the workrate was pathetic.

There’s no doubt he was challenged on his management style last year.

He’s had to curb his aggression and the return of his great mate Craig Lambert in a senior strategy and retention role has been a major win.

Having played under him, I know Leppa can coach and has the game plan to succeed.

My money is on the Lions turning it around, starting in the first quarter against Melbourne at the MCG on Sunday.

Only time will tell and the first quarter against Melbourne tomorrow will be a big indicator.

 

[deklares]

Leppa says in his presser today that we probably do more contested work at training than any other club (not sure how he would know, but anyway) but that it hasn't transferred into games. My question is why? when so many of our midfielders are experienced and a guy playing his second game can make more contests than three or four of his colleagues combined.
He also said something which baffled me which is that it sometimes takes three or four weeks for these things to show through. Surely he's not suggesting we only just started emphasising contested footy at training within the last few weeks given it has been a major weakness of the team for three years and is the very reason we recruited Bell, Bastinac, Jansen and prior to that Robbo, Beams and Christensen.

If "more contested work at training than any other club" is true then..
Is it a good idea to be doing so much contested work during the week?
Can we expect a high level of performance in that department on the weekend if we do the most in the AFL at training?

 

[3KZ is Football]

If "more contested work at training than any other club" is true then..
Is it a good idea to be doing so much contested work during the week?
Can we expect a high level of performance in that department on the weekend if we do the most in the AFL at training?

Good point. Maybe we should be doing more running to position, not handballing to opponents and not handballing 3 metres to a player who is HOT practise.

 

[jasonrampage2010]

Structure is worst I've ever seen ever,
Good bye Leppa

 

[kylegee28]

Effort was better than last week but still a 63 point loss to a very mediocre football side. Something's gotta give soon.

 

[Schache It Off]

No he is not the right man for the job.