Analysis Is Rocky the Right Man for the Job?

[Big Sauce 21]

Would make for a pretty one-sided "Is Rocky the Right Man for the Job" thread.

I don't think he is and have said so, and given as much info as I am happy with, as have others. Period.

The constant demands for more information from some posters may have falsely painted a "I know something you don't know" dynamic that isn't actually there.

Which ones ? Most just agree with what you say.

 

[MacMum]

I have got no idea what Rockliff or Hanley might have been up too, but if TBD says things are crook and a couple of others back him up, that is good enough for me..

 

[Big Sauce 21]

My point. This board is 90% against rockliff.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Which ones ? Most just agree with what you say.

That's your perception, not reality.

 

[T Rick]

Swinging? I wouldn't have thought that is what I did.

I've copped a fair bit in this thread for my views, I think I've been pretty measured with people who have got in my face about it, considering.

Anyway, your post isn't anything different to what you've said earlier on, so no point having a repeat back and forth about it, it's not going to advance the discussion one iota.

There are other places away from the absolute public facing Brisbane Bigfooty board where people (many of them from around here) are discussing this stuff in more detail. The level of candidness rightly depends on the setting.

When people on one hand say "if you aren't going to tell us everything you shouldn't say anything at all" it's obvious that their nods towards discretion aren't exactly legit, and would be quickly discarded if they could get more information.

I won't apologise for saying no more on this very public forum than I am comfortable with. Hopefully that's absolutely clear now?

TBD - I understand your position...importantly, are those inside the Club who need to know this "stuff" about Rocky aware of the issues that you allude to?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Not trying to press you for more. Sometimes your posting style can be very demeaning. I understand your frustration with continuously being asked but isn't it easier to just ignore the posts?

All up I think I was just trying to get you to see why some posters keep persisting with it and maybe take it a little easier on them. I'm sure we've all been left in the dark at some point or another and we all know how frustrating it can be, especially if it involves something/someone that we are all very passionate about! Strong statements will always garner strong responses.

I've acknowledged this myself. Cheers though.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...man-for-the-job.1136820/page-73#post-47140964

As for why don't I just ignore people... well strong statements garner strong responses. I'm just a person like you Leemas

 

[Big Sauce 21]

That's your perception, not reality.

You have quite the gathering who have turned against him from your word.

 

[3KZ is Football]

You have quite the gathering who have turned against him from your word.

I bagged him first!

 

[James North]

You have quite the gathering who have turned against him from your word.

To put this to rest - I've heard very unfortunate stories and information from multiple sources at the club (players and staff), multiple people who regularly see them out and about and people who have sources at the club (like TheBrownDog himself).

There are others who I know of on this board who have heard things from local football leagues after these guys have visited clubs as well and how they behave and the language used in those gatherings.

If you want to include 'the entire football media' in that gathering - go for it. That makes TBD a very powerful individual.

It's caused me to believe the best thing is to move them both on and they are without question amongst our best players.

Believe what you want, but a public forum is not the place to discuss the nitty gritty.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You have quite the gathering who have turned against him from your word.

That's nice, but you were questioning my statement that there are many people here that are hearing things totally independently from me. You disagree to which I must reiterate, that might be your perception but it's not reality.

One of them just posted, and there are considerably more.

To answer your question Fairley - yes, they're entirely aware.

 

[patfullfankezz]

I've never been 100% sold on Rocky (something about him just rubbed me the wrong way) as a leader. That being said I am really sad it's come to this, and let's face it, we really don't need to know the details to realize that something's not right between him and the club.

My hope is that he's able to rejoin Reddo at West Coast, and I can have my favourite 'ship back.

 

[SizeMatters]

I'm not looking forward to the melt by some posters when Rocky is stripped of his captaincy and probably traded. I wonder if the denial would still be strong then?

 

[James North]

I'm not looking forward to the melt by some posters when Rocky is stripped of his captaincy and probably traded. I wonder if the denial would still be strong then?

I think you called it pretty early yourself, Sizey. The word has been around town for some time.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

That's nice, but you were questioning my statement that there are many people here that are hearing things totally independently from me. You disagree to which I must reiterate, that might be your perception but it's not reality.

One of them just posted, and there are considerably more.

To answer your question Fairley - yes, they're entirely aware.

I asked you which members, I know of James I respect his posts, doesn't beat his chest over it. But you have a lot who have no idea and are having a fair dig. Until the trade period is up and if he has been traded I'm sure the real story will come out. I guess I have no choice but to take your word for it until then.

 

[Skoob]

Actually he said he has "lions coursing through his veins", which I can't help thinking is a typo

Veins coursing through his loins?

 

[Corrupt_]

[CITATION NEEDED]

74 pages and no credible proof of the perpetual Rockliff rumours. Its amusing and eye-opening members here are blindly believing other members with so called inside sources . If he was so virulent, malignant, spiteful, malicious, cancerous as some of you so dogmatically believe, the club will certainly know about it and get rid of him. At this point in time he's almost certain to be playing next year. Classic example of the inherent human want for drama and attention. TBD's ego and self importance is out of the stratosphere. Quite ironic indeed.

 

[Hollow Knight]

[CITATION NEEDED]

74 pages and no credible proof of the perpetual Rockliff rumours. Its amusing and eye-opening members here are blindly believing other members with so called inside sources . If he was so virulent, malignant, spiteful, malicious, cancerous as some of you so dogmatically believe, the club will certainly know about it and get rid of him. At this point in time he's almost certain to be playing next year. Classic example of the inherent human want for drama and attention. TBD's ego and self importance is out of the stratosphere. Quite ironic indeed.

Heh, 2 years of your Brisbane board posts are almost exclusively dedicated to defending or discussing Rockliff and essentially zero other general Lions discussion. A pure coincidence I'm sure.

Search function is not your friend. Should have put more effort into building the illusion of a genuine Lions fan.

 

[Harris Specter]

[CITATION NEEDED]

74 pages and no credible proof of the perpetual Rockliff rumours. Its amusing and eye-opening members here are blindly believing other members with so called inside sources . If he was so virulent, malignant, spiteful, malicious, cancerous as some of you so dogmatically believe, the club will certainly know about it and get rid of him. At this point in time he's almost certain to be playing next year. Classic example of the inherent human want for drama and attention. TBD's ego and self importance is out of the stratosphere. Quite ironic indeed.

Haha, I know for a fact that the club is trying its best to get rid of Rockliff and Hanley. Both have a hugely negative influence on the rest of the playing group. Been in contact with a few younger players, Rocky was borderline hazing, abusing and harrassing some of the juniors as a joke. Pretty much held the rest of the playing group to high standards while rocking up to training late, not keeping up with the standards etc;. Club has got to get rid of at least one of these guys, as their behaviour is very hard to fix, almost untenable.

Not hard to see why the Go Home 5 left, as evidenced by the tweets sent out by both of these toxic players.

 

[Skoob]

I suppose when he goes, there will be a line of posters insisting the poor skipper was run out of Brisbane by nasty BigFooty rumours.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I suppose when he goes, there will be a line of posters insisting the poor skipper was run out of Brisbane by nasty BigFooty rumours.

Or if a trade can't get done, it will be because all the "rumours were wrong", even when he loses the captaincy.

I don't expect anyone to believe me, I'm just a guy on a forum, but you only need to look at the messaging from the club. They have exhibited the exact opposite behaviour you would expect from a club who is desperate to keep their much loved captain.

 

[SizeMatters]

Or if a trade can't get done, it will be because all the "rumours were wrong", even when he loses the captaincy.

I don't expect anyone to believe me, I'm just a guy on a forum, but you only need to look at the messaging from the club. They have exhibited the exact opposite behaviour you would expect from a club who is desperate to keep their much loved captain.

Haven't seen the club rushing to Rockys defence...

 

[John_Proctor]

Thanks James. Below is about as close to a definitive and specific statement about his behaviour as I've seen. And I completely respect tbd and others preference to not say more and your decision to not give specific examples.

It's also interesting as someone else pointed out on the previous page that the footy media aren't prepared to say anything even similar to this post below. As was stated Robinson, Garlett, fevola, Dixon, Bennell had much more specific media coverage of their off field issues.

I can only conclude that the off field problems aren't the traditional booze and drugs issues but egomania, entitlement, selfishness, boorishness and child like behaviour with all and sundry for someone supposed to be a club leader.

As people have said the tweets post gh5 weren't overly gracious for a club leader (not captain at the time?) and irrc rocky on the footy show last year doubled down on 'kids these days' 'you can't treat them like you used do' 'I'm from the old school' type response and then late in this season his comments about young players being worried about being in the team reaked of blame shifting.

All in all I'm sure every club has this player (or many of them) unfortunately for us he is our best player in a poor period for the club which has probably only fed the problem both due to him feeling even more 'superior' on field and poor off field leadership (not meaning the senior coaches but an overall off field structure capable of managing the list and getting the most out of it).

I'll leave it to the club to make a decision either way if they think he is saveable. As I said somewhere it's not often 26yo all Australians become available.

To put this to rest - I've heard very unfortunate stories and information from multiple sources at the club (players and staff), multiple people who regularly see them out and about and people who have sources at the club (like TheBrownDog himself).

There are others who I know of on this board who have heard things from local football leagues after these guys have visited clubs as well and how they behave and the language used in those gatherings.

If you want to include 'the entire football media' in that gathering - go for it. That makes TBD a very powerful individual.

It's caused me to believe the best thing is to move them both on and they are without question amongst our best players.

Believe what you want, but a public forum is not the place to discuss the nitty gritty.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I've heard some of the same stories others have and a couple of seperate ones. People may mock the spectre of libel, but the fact that no one wants to divulge much indicates the seriousness of some of the allegations.

I totally get that it's frustrating for those who aren't hearing the same things. But I agree with TBD - I'm not about to run the admittedly small risk of getting sued just to fulfil the curiosity of a few people on the internet. And personally even if he does leave I still won't feel comfortable making public the things I've heard.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Yep. People can be defamed if it is the truth. Fact. Defaming is not libel. Kibel is false statement that defames.
libel
ˈlʌɪb(ə)l/
noun

1. 1.
   LAW
   a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

Libel legal definition of libel - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel
Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie.

American resources are not recommended when seeking to understand Australian law. The same could be said of dictionaries generally.

 

[Haso]

Yep. People can be defamed if it is the truth. Fact. Defaming is not libel. Kibel is false statement that defames.
libel
ˈlʌɪb(ə)l/
noun

1. 1.
   LAW
   a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

Libel legal definition of libel - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel
Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie.

Half of this board is made up of law-talkin-guys. I'd back them in to make the decision to not divulge the nitty-gritty if they are feeling exposed.

The very fact that even the thought of libel laws should suggest to you that what is being spoken about is serious enough.

What will your deductions be if Rockliff stays out his contract but is stripped of the captaincy?