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Are you not paying attention? I have actually answered this more than once.
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Is St Kilda in the firing line for relocation?
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Ned_Flanders
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What do gate profits have to do with supporter numbers or attendances?
Are fans boycotting because of your stadium deal?
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If a Saints fan was to hitch their ego to the club, they'd be calling beyond blue pretty quickly.
If a carlton fan was to resemble their club they'd be a self-entitled cheat
A Coll fan would be a 3 toothed crim
An Ess fan would be a juiced up flat earther
A Richmond fan would just be a prem ejaculating frothy mess
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Our attendances are OK - our gate takings are not
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-07/saints-president-peter-summers-on-stadium-deal
"Summers said St Kilda made as much revenue playing one match in New Zealand or two games at the MCG as it did playing eight games at Etihad Stadium."
So it's a poor return from the deal (regardless of crowd numbers) cutting into our bottom line which contributes to lack of funds. Not too hard a concept to grasp.
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3rd or 4th Biggest game of all time
Saints v an interstate team
Look up the biggest games of all time saints in a few of em. We are out there make no mistake about it. If Milnes ball bounced for him and Dawson had his fist an inch and a half lower wed have recent back to back flags and have 50,000 members.
Hard to get over I tell you. Do you guys really need to stick the boot in while we are down and getting up??
We are on the right track.
Saints v an interstate team
Look up the biggest games of all time saints in a few of em. We are out there make no mistake about it. If Milnes ball bounced for him and Dawson had his fist an inch and a half lower wed have recent back to back flags and have 50,000 members.
Hard to get over I tell you. Do you guys really need to stick the boot in while we are down and getting up??
We are on the right track.
Great ...... Wellington Saints here we come then !!!
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They are not okay however for a club claiming to have one of the biggest supporter bases in Melbourne
You are barely ahead of Melbourne, and they were deliberately losing games!
Agree the numbers are fine for a club with a mid sized to small supporter base
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Who said that?
I assume you are talking about TV ratings? In which case the St Kilda v Adelaide game does not feature in the top 3-4 biggest games of all time (its actually the 5 modern Sydney GF's that top the list)
As for the biggest games of all time, the Saints played a number of their finals in the real glory days of the VFL finals system (1965-1980). At this time it was common for all GF's to draw 110,000 or more.
The Saints played a lion share of their 46 finals during this time period and they actually have the highest crowd average for finals matches (77,631 - ahead of Collingwood (73,865), Hawthorn (73,202), Carlton (71,824), Geelong (69,460), Essendon (68,546), Melbourne (68,287), North Melbourne (67,401) and Richmond (65,490))
Of course Collingwood (140 finals), Hawthorn (78 finals), Carlton (106 finals), Geelong (106 finals), Essendon (107 finals), Melbourne (77 finals), North Melbourne (71 finals) and Richmond (74 finals) have all played significantly more finals across the eras that distort the findings somewhat.
The Saints have a lot of potential (they have the peninsula to themselves) but to claim that they have been involved in the biggest games of all time is a bit much
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Your CEO
Richmond fans (much to the annoyance of this board) never shit up about the size of our supporter base, and how it isn't a middle tier one but one that could be comparable one day to the pies dons Hawks and blues.
Your CEO has said your supporter base is big as ours, not us
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Don't scoff, you were the one who quoted the great revenue you get from playing one game there.
Do like the Hawks did in Tassie and play 4-5 matches there every year, your revenue will skyrocket and your membership will get to see the team on TV regularly.
FMD, it's a no-brainer IMO.
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The reason to quote it was to suggest maybe we deserve a better deal at Etihad rather than pushing us off to Wellington as you interpreted. The quote also mentioned the MCG, but you chose to ignore this.
I am not adverse to playing another game or two across the ditch, but I still think we deserve a far better deal at our home ground than we get at neutral venues. Who knows where we would be with a more level playing field?
Yes because that is what the only stats we have on the subject say. There are slightly more Saints supporters than Tigers supporters. That is what the only empirical data we have on the subject says.
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So blame your own management; it was they (I'm aware this was more than a decade ago) that agreed to your tenancy deal at Etihad (Colonial at the time). If St Kilda is in a mess, it is a mess of their own doing.
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There's 9 clubs in Melbourne.
You've named 4 you aspire to emulate.
So . . . wouldn't that mean you're only a middle-tier club in terms of support now?
I therefore don't see how you would then extrapolate our CEO's comments as him suggesting we're "one of the biggest".
Why does that offend you?
It was a compliment & not a slight.
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Well if there are slightly more saints fans than tiger fans, and they can't be stuffed going to games when you are actually winning, why will they change now just because of "engagement"
You go to the footy to support your team, not because they do good videos on their website
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The article I posted further up indicates we have been doing precisely that for several years, and it actually has improved, but not enough to the point we can even break even from playing there, hence the Wellington deal and the (denied) requests every season to play 2 games at the MCG as the home team.
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Actually no, we aspire to achieve their conversion levels, we always knew we had the supporters there because our attendances and info on kids has always been strong
What offends me is this notion of clubs coming out and having a business plan based upon a bag of magic beans
$1000 bet right now, your superior supporter base to ours doesn't convert to more members than us in 5 years
You can't convert a member from someone who doesn't give a shit
Your a bit of a dead horse aren't you? Not sure how many times it has been pointed out in this thread that this is a problem for the Saints. In fact it was what the whole Finnis article was about. The Saints need to engage better with their uncommitted supporters.
We already know we can hit 50,000, we just need to find a way to do it regularly.
Even if you don't believe the numbers, Saints membership last year is about half Tigers membership - even if the survey numbers are a bit out, they will not be out 50%. So fundamentally there is a disconnect between our membership base and our supporter base. We need to get as good as clubs like Collingwood and West Coast in converting supporters to members.
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This is my point though
I don't think you have this massive number of interested people who actively follow the saints by watching them on tv that you can convert. Is there a lot of them, yes, but no where near enough for you to claim big 4 status in this state
Someone who doesn't even watch footy is a fight to even get them to engage with the game, let alone financially contribute. Why do you think the swans and gws talk about conversions taking generations, not just 2-3 years
I don't think you have this massive support on the peninsula that is claimed, and the talk of your enormous latent supporter base is grossly exaggerated.
For your sake I hope this was just burly for the media, and not the premise of your financial rebuild
Can we get a lock in here this thread is awful
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