Is St Kilda in the firing line for relocation?

[telsor]

Why does that comment make so many Richmond supporters insecure?

Not insecure, we mostly just find it funny.

 

[telsor]

Seriously....Richmond supporters are the one group who SHOULD NOT be slinging mud in discussions like this. Of all the supporters in the AFL you should,

1. Understand tough times,
2. Be grateful to all the supporters of other clubs that put money in your tins,
3. Be in brotherhood with clubs that weren't created with a silver spoon up their arse.

Yeah, and we're working our way out of it (we're certainly not there yet), so have every right to point and laugh at those who's solution to every problem is to keep asking for another handout and whine and bitch about how unfair everything is.

What about you and your club actually do something to solve your own problems?

I do back the smaller Vic clubs in arguments with supporters of rich clubs, not least because we're not far from the 'danger list', but for gods sake, give me something to actually make a case that you're worth sticking with.

 

[Gainzo]

Not insecure, we mostly just find it funny.

Because you blokes are the best footy supporters in the world? Get off your high horse mate.

 

[telsor]

Richmond supporters have been through their fair amount of shit, no argument. I was on record however as saying this current rebuild was the last for many of our fans. If it imploded and we went back to a massive debt again, and onfield misery, I truly believe many would walk away

I don't think that many will walk away so much as continued failure means the kids of our supporters are being lost to other clubs. I agree with the conclusion though. If this period implodes, we'll move back into being a mid/small club.

 

[Riccardo11]

Yeah, and we're working our way out of it (we're certainly not there yet), so have every right to point and laugh at those who's solution to every problem is to keep asking for another handout and whine and bitch about how unfair everything is.

What about you and your club actually do something to solve your own problems?

I do back the smaller Vic clubs in arguments with supporters of rich clubs, not least because we're not far from the 'danger list', but for gods sake, give me something to actually make a case that you're worth sticking with.

I don't understand the impression that we have begged for "handouts" from the AFL. We get compensation as part of the equalization fund, but so does everyone else. I have never heard our club officials come out and complain about the fairness of the competition, either.

The fact that you rattled tins in the mid-90s in the SOS campaign and begged others to help you survive, yet now feel entitled to laugh at those in the same position rather than be the good Samaritan you asked the rest of the world to be then now you are more stable says quite a lot.

 

[telsor]

Our revenue, although at the smaller end of the scale, grew from 32 to 34 Million (although still well ahead, Richmonds went backwards funnily enough, meaning that not all the other clubs were moving upwards)

Richmond's went back by ~$400K due to receiving ~$1.5M less from 'football'. In other words, having fought our way our of the crap, we now receive a lot less of the 'extra' AFL money you rely on to exist.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Richmond's went back by ~$400K due to receiving ~$1.5M less from 'football'. In other words, having fought our way our of the crap, we now receive a lot less of the 'extra' AFL money you rely on to exist.

That's great. Good for you.

Now you can continue looking down your nose at those clubs who are trying to do the same.

Bravo.

 

[telsor]

I don't understand the impression that we have begged for "handouts" from the AFL. We get compensation as part of the equalization fund, but so does everyone else. I have never heard our club officials come out and complain about the fairness of the competition, either.

The fact that you rattled tins in the mid-90s in the SOS campaign and begged others to help you survive, yet now feel entitled to laugh at those in the same position rather than be the good Samaritan you asked the rest of the world to be then now you are more stable says quite a lot.

I'm grateful to those who helped, and I've helped other clubs when they've been in need (although if you want ingrates, look no further than North supporters), but the fact remains that if you don't lift yourself out of the crap, you're just going to be in a downward cycle of 'getting by' when your team is doing well (which will become less and less frequent because $ means more on field success) and desperately needing help, and one day that help wont be there.

BTW...Look at your financial report and tell me your club isn't saying 'pretty please' to the AFL for more money. The whole episode where your CEO said you had as much support as Richmond was in a presentation to the AFL Commission...I'll give you 3 guesses that was about.

 

[telsor]

That's great. Good for you.

Now you can continue looking down your nose at those clubs who are trying to do the same.

Bravo.

Trying how?

 

[Blackas87]

Trying how?

What you think clubs aren't trying?

 

[Jade]

Trying how?

North have done a very decent job of turning around its off field situation.

 

[#gosaintas]

Trying how?

Some people are too stupid to understand.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Beacuse our big issue is turning our number of supporters into members.

People were saying port were dead a few years a go but a lot can change in footy.

Bit of a difference between Port and St Kilda.

For one, Port aren't competing with nine other clubs in their own state.

 

[Jade]

What you think clubs aren't trying?

I think some clubs have been poorly managed in this respect. Probably doesn't equate to not trying though.

 

[telsor]

What you think clubs aren't trying?

Trying to exist, sure, but how are you trying to grow (faster than everyone else).

Maintaining the status quo, for small clubs, is fatal in the long term.

 

[telsor]

North have done a very decent job of turning around its off field situation.

Their team is up now, so they look (relatively) good.

St Kilda looked good a few years back.

Don't confuse the cycle of the teams success with the trend.

 

[Jade]

Their team is up now, so they look (relatively) good.

St Kilda looked good a few years back.

Don't confuse the cycle of the teams success with the trend.

For the umpteenth time, my comments on North or St Kilda have had nothing to do with their on field performance.

I was applauding Norths restructure and direction when they were still relatively shit on field.

 

[Engimal]

Trying how?

 

[GarnerSmash]

Trying how?

Hmmm, lets see. Reducing debt each year, increasing revenue and FD support to develop a better on field product to provide a platform for attracting sponsorship/membership/revenue, further engage with existing supporters to generate a more committed membership, increasing engagement in secondary market in Hobart as well as in the Wyndham region, establishing and administering a world leading Multicultural Foundation and engaging new marketing and business strategy staff in both Melbourne and Hobart to develop the club brand and take advantage of the revenue gains leading to increase FD spend, leading to on-field performance and leading to overall improvement in the clubs ability to serve its long term interests.

Although, rather than do these things, to commit to growth based upon sound strategy and long term planning and implementation, perhaps North should just have invested in pokies and aimed to generate close to $6 million in revenue last year from gamblers, like Richmond did last year. Then we would have been only $5 million behind Richmond in revenue generated. That would pretty much make us comparable.

 

[kangaspurs]

Probably has to do with the fact that around half the teams based in Melbourne are relying on AFL handouts each year to not fall into crippling debt. The Melbourne market cannot support nine teams by itself. That's a fact.

Sydney receives around 5-6 times more in AFL handouts than all those AFL teams despite being the only side in Australia's biggest city for the last 30 years and have comparable membership numbers to North. Instead of removing this side, the AFL went and put another one in that city and pumped even more money into it. Without those AFL handouts the Swans most likely wouldn't be able to stay afloat. If the AFL decided to take better care of their traditional clubs instead of or as well as pumping tens of millions of dollars into the Sydney franchises for the sole purpose of getting one over the NRL then the status quo in Melbourne is certainly sustainable.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What's world leading about your multi cultural foundation?

That's a bloody big claim to make

 

[Matchu]

Sydney receives around 5-6 times more in AFL handouts than all those AFL teams despite being the only side in Australia's biggest city for the last 30 years and have comparable membership numbers to North. Instead of removing this side, the AFL went and put another one in that city and pumped even more money into it. Without those AFL handouts the Swans most likely wouldn't be able to stay afloat. If the AFL decided to take better care of their traditional clubs instead of or as well as pumping tens of millions of dollars into the Sydney franchises for the sole purpose of getting one over the NRL then the status quo in Melbourne is certainly sustainable.

You don't seem to understand the importance of growing your product into untapped areas. Do you think the Melbourne Storm are making a profit every year?

 

[GarnerSmash]

Sydney receives around 5-6 times more in AFL handouts than all those AFL teams despite being the only side in Australia's biggest city for the last 30 years and have comparable membership numbers to North. Instead of removing this side, the AFL went and put another one in that city and pumped even more money into it. Without those AFL handouts the Swans most likely wouldn't be able to stay afloat. If the AFL decided to take better care of their traditional clubs instead of or as well as pumping tens of millions of dollars into the Sydney franchises for the sole purpose of getting one over the NRL then the status quo in Melbourne is certainly sustainable.

Its all part of the bigger picture though. TV rights can generate more revenue with more interstate clubs (markets for advertisers) and more matches on the box and than money can then come back into the game. Personally I think if the AFL could sort out Etihad then there would be less of an issue with supporting GWS. A successful GWS means more viewers in Sydney, means bigger market engagement, means greater rivalry with the Swans, means more interest in the code in Sydney means more $$$ in TV rights.

 

[kangaspurs]

You don't seem to understand the importance of growing your product into untapped areas. Do you think the Melbourne Storm are making a profit every year?

My point was that if the AFL remain committed to supporting traditional clubs as well as pumping money into the franchise sides then the current situation in Melbourne is certainly sustainable.

 

[GarnerSmash]

What's world leading about your multi cultural foundation?

That's a bloody big claim to make

Allow me some exaggeration dammit!!

It has won a number of awards so far and if my man Dave can get behind it, its gotta be pretty damn good.