Autopsy Its a wrap for 2023 Richmond by 13

[zyzzbruh]

Cant bring myself to read much of this thread.
from the few posts Ive read, we should drop Hickey, Heeney, Papley Parker, Buddy or McDonald, Horse. Im sure dropping the rest of the team gets a mention somewhere too.

Melican has been an interesting watch lately. He plays in a position of need for now and the future.
His career started well, but then he did his knee and lost (amongst other things) a few yards of pace. We tried to trade him last year, I think for salary reasons as hes on a back ended deal, but there were no takers.
Last night I watched him chase Bolton at full flight. Maybe I was deceived, but I watched Melican run faster than Bolton!!!
Speed is a great asset for a KPP, and it seems Melican has his back.
ps.. Im also keen on the developing Will Edwards for his size and pace.

Melicans ability to read the game is exceptional. With some continuity I would not be surprised if he becomes our best defender.

I think he copped a bit of flack seeming a bit underdone everytime he played between injuries. Right now he looks fit af and his game has gone up a few gears.

 

[WillHayward]

Bloke at full back for Tigers from Albury.

From North Albury to taking on Buddy: Rookie Tiger's wild journey - From North Albury to taking on Buddy: Rookie Tiger's wild journey

 

[The King!]

Melicans ability to read the game is exceptional. With some continuity I would not be surprised if he becomes our best defender.

I think he copped a bit of flack seeming a bit underdone everytime he played between injuries. Right now he looks fit af and his game has gone up a few gears.

I think if Mccartin stays fit Melican can be a good second defender potentially.

He is quite good by foot, his one on one work needs improving. The tall forwards for richmond were non existent .

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Based on Gulden's kicking the last two games I'd be okay with our youngsters giving any lessons from him a miss.

I’m actually a bit surprised Gulden features so heavily atop this week’s POTY thread.

He got plenty of it - but was one of the chief “bomb it aimlessly” (or even worse, go sideways to a contest) culprits.

I actually thought Hayward was our cleanest player, by both hand and foot.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I just hope the salaries we put in front of players are in line with our performances this year and not the team who was firing on all cylinders at the back end of last year.

We have a fair way to go to be a competitive team. And if we spend all our cap retaining players, without bringing any talent in. We're potentially in for a bit of pain.

 

[the hypnotoad]

I know that's why i was stressing I wouldn't. But was more wanting to see others pick up the slack

generally, i don't see a particular lack of effort overall (although i concede the likes of papley don't do themselves any favours sometimes)
i mean, blakey had a shocker but not for want of trying
mclean and mcdonald seemed to be constantly running ... just that things didn't go their way
campbell and mills the same ... not as effective but not because they slacked off
and two recent whipping boys, heeney and hayward, bounced back last night and i'm sure part of that was just continuing to work ... in recent weeks i've no doubt they were working hard enough, putting in the effort, but things were not paying off

to me it all still goes back to the confidence thing, which we really lost in that shocking stretch from the geelong debacle ...
and there's still elements of that in our game, not least of which is exposed with that ultra defensive mindset late in quarters
when we do that, we're prone to mistakes and the confidence spirals downward really quickly

 

[Superstar swan]

I just hope the salaries we put in front of players are in line with our performances this year and not the team who was firing on all cylinders at the back end of last year.

We have a fair way to go to be a competitive team. And if we spend all our cap retaining players, without bringing any talent in. We're potentially in for a bit of pain.

We just need to be smart about it. If they can't be replaced then we pay. Logan, errol, and warner I'm happy to pay a premium for. But I agree, we need to bring someone in.

Just a balancing act atm. Making sure we re sign the players we need whilst still being able to attract quality players

 

[Olian]

If Heeneys giving you 17 with 3 goals in a night he was only ok then that's a good sign .

He made something out of nothing for one goal, he is exciting when in flight

He kicked a nice shot as well. Where was this last week

 

[The King!]

generally, i don't see a particular lack of effort overall (although i concede the likes of papley don't do themselves any favours sometimes)
i mean, blakey had a shocker but not for want of trying
mclean and mcdonald seemed to be constantly running ... just that things didn't go their way
campbell and mills the same ... not as effective but not because they slacked off
and two recent whipping boys, heeney and hayward, bounced back last night and i'm sure part of that was just continuing to work ... in recent weeks i've no doubt they were working hard enough, putting in the effort, but things were not paying off

to me it all still goes back to the confidence thing, which we really lost in that shocking stretch from the geelong debacle ...
and there's still elements of that in our game, not least of which is exposed with that ultra defensive mindset late in quarters
when we do that, we're prone to mistakes and the confidence spirals downward really quickly

If Parker isn't there to win the ball from a contest someone else gets that opportunity, and the effort can be utilised differently .

I don't think the intent on attack was poor last night , i'd agree a lot just didn't pay off .

Parker makes a lot of those errors late that affect the flow , maybe others will make less , maybe they won't even win the ball, who knows. But he is what 30- 31, has to take on less anyway

 

[The King!]

Hayward too 2 goals and a fair bit of ball working up almost like Reid last year , 5 between him and Heeney, buddy grabs 2

Probably expect you win that .

 

[The King!]

Jmac 2 touches in the second half after a great first half

that's ****en worse than i realised

 

[sataris]

Still waiting for direction to the stat site people get our forward target numbers from
please

seen buddy 54% thrown around, what's the source

 

[zyzzbruh]

That's exactly the right word... Reactive. The first half we were the exact opposite of that. We were dictating play in the middle and our receiving players were getting into positions that showed we were optimistic of winning each contest.

The pendulum swings the other way and the reactivity starts to creep in.

It's something that a coach like McRae seems so good at taking out of his team's game. They have the belief to just keep running and creating despite the balance of the game.

Question is what do we do when our plan A starts to get exploited? Richmond figured out a way to get numbers to the fall of the contest forward of centre which is why horse dropped mills back in attempt to stop the ascendancy. You need to adjust in a way that allows you to get your plan A going again. Other than mills back what else can it be? Genuine question, not sarcastic. Lots of critisicm thrown when we go into 'preservation' mode but no alternative solutions. You can't just try sticking to plan A in the hope that we regain ascendancy. If you do then you're labelled a crap coach for not doing anything.

 

[the hypnotoad]

Jmac 2 touches in the second half after a great first half

that's *en worse than i realised

you have to assume richmond adjusted to the danger he was posing
again ... coaching issue

 

[Superstar swan]

Question is what do we do when our plan A starts to get exploited? Richmond figured out a way to get numbers to the fall of the contest forward of centre which is why horse dropped mills back in attempt to stop the ascendancy. You need to adjust in a way that allows you to get your plan A going again. Other than mills back what else can it be? Genuine question, not sarcastic. Lots of critisicm thrown when we go into 'preservation' mode but no alternative solutions. You can't just try sticking to plan A in the hope that we regain ascendancy. If you do then you're labelled a crap coach for not doing anything.

I think Milla going back has to be a quick exercise. Go back and halt momentum for a couple of minutes and get back on the front foot once the game is on a neutral trend. We spend too much time trying not to lose rather than trying to win

 

[Kiama Chris]

generally, i don't see a particular lack of effort overall (although i concede the likes of papley don't do themselves any favours sometimes)
i mean, blakey had a shocker but not for want of trying
mclean and mcdonald seemed to be constantly running ... just that things didn't go their way
campbell and mills the same ... not as effective but not because they slacked off
and two recent whipping boys, heeney and hayward, bounced back last night and i'm sure part of that was just continuing to work ... in recent weeks i've no doubt they were working hard enough, putting in the effort, but things were not paying off

to me it all still goes back to the confidence thing, which we really lost in that shocking stretch from the geelong debacle ...
and there's still elements of that in our game, not least of which is exposed with that ultra defensive mindset late in quarters
when we do that, we're prone to mistakes and the confidence spirals downward really quickly

I observed a fair few basic errors in play.
Overrunning the ball.
Slipping over.
Campbell trapped the ball back to three Tigers players who were chasing him, then fell over.
The three stooges who watched while the Tiger kid soccered the goal (Melican, Francis, Cunningham) instead of knocking it away.
Bud running through without any impact on anything.
Poor handballs leading to midfield turnovers.
Concentration? Leadership? Morale?
There were very few not guilty of it at some point.
Wish I knew the answer but ten minutes into the second half I said to my wife that we would lose it. Tigers wanted it more

 

[Superstar swan]

I truly believe we need a sole captain going forward. No more passing the buck at the club . Someone needs to be held accountable, someone needs the responsibility and someone needs to set the standards. Having multiple leaders doesn't necessarily add leadership but it can dilute it

 

[caesar88]

Yes he committed some costly turnovers but they were a relatively small proportion of his overall possessions. A lot of his possessions lead to creative play that advantages the team.

Under the Horse regime, few of our players are encouraged to be creative. Errol along with Blakey and Ollie buck the stultifying game plan Horse reverts to.

Right, but if it's costly then it impacts the overall effectiveness of his game.

Warner "takes the game on" and tries to have shots on the run that miss by a mile. He gets dragged for it. Rowbottom "takes the game on" and tries to break tackles and gets caught. He gets dragged for it. Papley "takes the game on" and tries to do cute little plays that don't work out. He gets dragged for it.

So I don't agree that Gulden's one of the few who takes the game on and isn't always successful at it. There's just a complete double standard in how players are judged because of it. It was the same as Campbell a few weeks back. Against the Lions he had 12 kicks and I went back through each one and nine were just blind long bombs. He got praise heaped on him in the same autopsy thread that bemoaned how costly our blind long bombing was.

Again, I don't really have a problem with all of the above, it's all part of the "take the game on" plan that is our MO. It's just the double standard that irks me.

 

[zyzzbruh]

I think Milla going back has to be a quick exercise. Go back and halt momentum for a couple of minutes and get back on the front foot once the game is on a neutral trend. We spend too much time trying not to lose rather than trying to win

Makes complete sense in theory, just not sure doing that is as easy as it sounds.

Lloyd and Warner playing would make that proposition more possible with the extra rotations. Unfortunately I think horse had no choice once Lloyd was bundled out.

But that's where the rubbish choice in sub comes into it...

 

[melbournehammer]

It was a poor decision but the 50 was because Papley carried on wasn't it? then Papley was too busy whinging to chase

I thought it was because heeney kicked it. Either way it was harsh because people were still playing on in the goal square because they Cleary hadn’t heard the whistle

 

[Superstar swan]

Makes complete sense in theory, just not sure doing that is as easy as it sounds.

Lloyd and Warner playing would make that proposition more possible with the extra rotations. Unfortunately I think horse had no choice once Lloyd was bundled out.

But that's where the rubbish choice in sub comes into it...

It's not easy but that's the level the entire list needs to get to. Whole team needs to be able to shut down for a few minutes, be able to just get the game back on level momentum and then push again. It can't be fixed quickly but it can be done. Good teams don't go into shut down mode for entire halves like we do

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Sheldrick and Rowbottom both had treatment for ankle issues earlier in the game, so who knows how they pull up for next week.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Everyone has good patches in games. Even West Coast had a good half last week. Doesn't mean anything if it brings you 0 wins against anyone half decent. And it's literally 0 wins. Our best wins this year were against Gold Coast and a deeply mediocre Richmond side early in the season. Even at our very best, we fall short against any competent team. I find that deeply worrying.

I don’t disagree. The point is simply that our good patches are very good.

 

[Olian]

The last question in the Longmire presser was whether there were other injuries (besides Lloyd) and he said no. So Sheldrick wasn't injured

I thought Longmire said ‘no, not that he was aware of’.

 

[The King!]

I thought it was because heeney kicked it. Either way it was harsh because people were still playing on in the goal square because they Cleary hadn’t heard the whistle

it's a soft 50

but papley carried on like me