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ROCKETT24

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Jul 23, 2010
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With discussion about the BIG 4, i was thinking....the only reason we still have a BIG 4 (possibly 5 with Hawks) is because of ailing clubs that NEED to large crowd attendances from the BIG 4 to prop them up.

Example: North Melb, Western Bulldogs, Melb Demons, Saints.

The Saints really, lets be truthful and its not to ahve a go at everyone...but A FAIR MAJORITY of thier current support...are Bandwagoners...they will seriously be lucky to pull 20,000 members when they drop off.

Melb Demons...done a good job lately, but that wont hold forever. Bulldogs/North...do i really need to go into it.

Geelong I wont put down as part of the BIG 4/5/6...even though it would never fold as the town wouldnt allow it (i believe)...but lets disregard them.

Becasue of the crowd pulling power & therfore exposure of Collingwood...these 4 teams all want to play them at the MCG for maximum gate profit.

With the TOTAL support for the BIG 4...the AFL will always have the BIG 4 Vs Eachother twice per year...if not that, then 5 times every 3 years really.
Anzac Day will forever be known as Essendon Pies and blah blah blah, we could go on forever....

But with the poorer, less exposed teams and 3 of them are ETIHAD OCCUPANTS...I believe, its not fair that they get to change their games to the MCG just for the reason of a larger crowd.

IF they cannot make money form the gate at Etihad and other games...this only provides more Games for the BIG 4 at the MCG.


MAYBE ITS TIME THEY FOLDED.....

North SHOULD have moved to Gold Coast and become the GC Kangaroos.
Western Bulldogs SHOULD have moved North and Stayed Western (Sydney) Bulldogs.

Melbourne should move south and become the Tassie Devils/Demons.

Saints...well, i dunno about them...maybe another WA side...the support over the is UNBELIEVABLY LARGE...surely a 3rd team would be warranted.

Obviously we now have 17 soon to be 18 teams, and North & Bulldogs arnt going anywhere, but...maybe the AFL needs to give these clubs a 5 year window...5 more years of funds, if you CANNOT turn yourself around and be 1: Profitable or at elast 2: Stable...your out...license cancelled.

I know this is a fairly harsh view, but the time for SO many Vic teams...1/2 being propped up by the AFL and the attendance of the opposition (BIG 4)

I believe this would provide:
1: Better attendances (overall) for the AFL
2: Fairer and more equal draw for all competing teams.
3: Greater spread of games over the country.
4: Better opportunity for remaining teams to gather support.
5: If ALL 4 Teams went elsewhere...we would have no need for the GC Suns & GWS Turds...2 less teams = 16 TEAM COMPETITION.


Like I said, fairly harsh...and its kinda unfair as the AFL is also propping up Port Adelaide....but whats better for the greater good of the AFL LEAGUE...not administration......

Scenario 1 (CURRENT): Poor Vic teams leeching funds off the game and other clubs, whilst also (through lack of vision) move thier home games away to the benefit of the already wealthy BIG 4.

2: Scenario 1 (PROPOSED) 4 Poorest and teams requiring the most assistance given 5 more years to secure a stable future, otherwise licenses cancelled, moved elsewhere. Thus providing a more fair equitable draw, and travelling and greater spread of supporters throughout other states.


Iv gone on a bit here...sorrybut yeah...hard to provide my thoughts about everything and some supporting reasoning in a short spiel.....


Thoughts?????????
 
Fair call.

Don't think a third WA team would work, not till either they re-build Subi (Paterson curse) or have a second venue.

But 5 years to get their act together is fair. (Harsh but fair)
 
You leave your own club out of it for reasons that hardly stand up, but you call my club and others leeches, and you want my thoughts?

I am well aware of the excellent reasons North did not fold in 2008 to have a few players transfer to a new Gold Coast club. I am also, for family reasons, extremely well aware of what has gone on and now happens at Collingwood. The fact your understanding is so limited, and you choose to dismiss years of achievement and change at a whole group of clubs with a FEW CAPITALISED WORDS as if that proves you know something, means your post and your thread do not deserve the time you appear to be demanding.

Your views are rubbish. These are my thoughts. Thanks for asking.
 

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All i get out of that is...WHINGE WHINGE WHINGE....

How about if my views are wrong, or with a limited understanding...Instead of having a go at me....EXPLAINING OTHERWISE.

What has North done in 20 years....won 2 premierships yep, good job...they have also completely squandered any profit/revenue from them years and continue to ask for handouts.

Like I said, i know its harsh...but so are shyte teams wanting handouts all the time and transferring thier games in Favour of a alrger gate reciept.

Maybe some of these POOR 4 need a shakeup in their thinking....maybe you and your almighty knowledge can change their thought process.

If i know so little and you know so much...PLEASE EDUCATE ME....dont just trash talk and leave, having contributed NOTHING to the discussion.
 
north screwed it up for everyone else when they didn't move to the gold coast.

we wouldn't have all these new franchises with dramatic draft concessions if north just gave in to the inevitable.
 
I agree - 18 teams is ridiculous when we can't play everyone twice

16 teams is the maximum that the comp can support given how far teams have to travel and how physical and long the games are

I think it will get cut back to 16 teams at some point - whether or not this will happen in 5 years, or 10 years or whether the AFL will introduce more expansion teams I've no idea
 
you choose to dismiss years of achievement and change at a whole group of clubs

So please tell me...what constitutes does "YEARS OF ACHIEVEMENT"

North Melb - Yep, 4 Premierships...good call...but have made nothing of them.

Western Bulldogs - 1 Premiership..and since 1954...NOTHING....

St.Kilda - 1 Premiership...and since 1966...NOTHING.....

Melbourne - Since 1964....NOTHING.


I only choose to leave Geelong out of it as I dont want any of my views to be seen as biased...and I sincerely believe that the Geelong Township/Community...wouldnt let the club fold. COnsidering we own our own ground and make a tidy profit on gate reciepts, considering Bulldogs are talking to GFC to play games at Kardinia Park...North may do the same...it means more $$$ for GFC and thus...a more secure future.

GFC may not be around forever...but we will surely outlast the POOR 4.
 
I like all the teams you want gone...but the reality is that the competition would be so much better with 12- 14 teams. Imagine how good these sides would be if the talent from the other sides were spread across the existing teams. We'd have a super competition.

The Reserves competition would also be very strong, and would open up the possibility of having sides promoted into the AFL if their form justifies it. This would stop tanking as if you bottom out, you run the risk of being demoted.

18 sides over 22 rounds just doesn't work.
 

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Ok - we'll do a supporter draft.

Collingwood and West Coast have too many supporters, so we shall transfer some of those assets to more vulnerable parts of the organisation - say Freo and North. That will ensure they increase their attendances and ratings for TV. And I'm sure all AFL fans will support this, as it will improve the business model.

AFL is not a business. The entire revenue stream is based on non-logical decisions made by it's customers usually before they were 6 years old.

The other teams are required to complete the entertainment. It mkes sense for the AFL to prop up the less profitable parts of it's organisation if they contribute to the overall revenue stream. Collingwood have to play someone.
 
This topic has been done on a few occasions & it is starting to become boring. If the Bulldogs ever merged or were killed off, the AFL can kiss my money and support goodbye.
 
Say goodbye to further expansion of the game then.

The smaller clubs are very useful when it comes to playing games in locations that can't get the game.


Whys that...i would think that I you can put the crowd pulling power of Collingwood/Carlton...against a new team ...it would have to bring in TV $$$, and a decent crowd.

So from what your saying is that when GC play at Carrarra...by playing North Melb there, or Bulldogs there....is a better outcome than scheduling Collingwood there....

If it only hold say 25,000 you would have better chance of filling it, and making it a better spectacle than if North/Bulldogs/Saints played there.
 
It's certainly an inflammatory topic this... for supporters of those clubs that would appear to be the strugglers.

But I do think the AFL will eventually take the business line and trim those not pulling their weight. More and more the game is beholding to big money, and it follows that any team hurting the bottom line for an extended period will become expendable, and rightly so.

For the record, the OP's firing line looks about right to me :)
 
You present good arguments but squibb out on the Geelong question. I have no objection in general to your proposal as a Collingwood fan but its bound to start some of the goddamdest protests you are ever likely to see. Perhaps the AFL could convince them to allow administrators to run the clubs in a fiscally sound growth oriented fashion. Something needs to change or life will provide the change, the AFL has reached the end of its tether in its current form.
 
Don't think a third WA team would work, not till either they re-build Subi (Paterson curse) or have a second venue.

Tangent: WA always gets me scratching my head. Rich state; large, dynamic, and skyrocketing Perth population; huge waiting lists for membership to their two football clubs; yet they have such a poor stadium in Subi. :confused: Why not a state-of-the-art 80K stadium?

On topic: Admittedly, the 16-team league was the perfect balance. But North just didn't wanna go to GC. To be honest, it would've been an odd fit anyway: there's nothing "Kangaroo" about GC. In any case, I respect North's decision, and admit that the smaller clubs like NMFC add colour to the whole landscape. Still, with all due respect etc., a secret part of me would like to see them in Canberra. National animal 'n'-all seems like a no-brainer. Even the Canb'ra Roos just rolls off the ole tongue...
 
Yes, from Melbourne Football Club point of view - get ****ed


Funny cos the amount you contributed ot this discussion..is about the same your club contributes to...well, anything really.

I dont want to pee people off here...surely it will...but at least give something to this rather than juts insults....

If YOU had to get up in front of the AFL and plead the case for your clubs existance...what would you say....what statement could you make to change their mind into keeping your club.... simply stating GET F***D...sorry, doesnt hold much water.
 
Ok - we'll do a supporter draft.

Collingwood and West Coast have too many supporters, so we shall transfer some of those assets to more vulnerable parts of the organisation - say Freo and North. That will ensure they increase their attendances and ratings for TV. And I'm sure all AFL fans will support this, as it will improve the business model...

I think you'll find our members base, if not the supporters base is every bit as heathy as the Wiggles. ;)
 
The best solution is for the AFL to consist of 4 clubs playing each other 6 times a season for endless blockbuster crowds, and bonza TV ratings.
Even GEEELOOOONGGG would have to miss out.
The rest of the population can move on to other sports.
 
Maybe we should piss off Geelong first? What is the point of having a small elite group of clubs if they will have to play games at a 22k stadium?
 

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