Its Time For Trigg To Resign.

[Wright Away]

Too be fair they hired a shit coach first.

 

[BigLefty]

To answer the second question first, Collingwood have gone from middling traditional club to off field powerhouse under Eddie McGuire. Carlton have gone from knocking on death's door to solid ground. Geelong were a basket case when Frank Costa took over and have strengthened on and off field while fostering an incredible community rapport. WCE were like us 10 years ago and have become a behemoth.

To answer the first, I would be content for our club to have remained stable financially without lurching from one off field drama to the next over the last 3 years. Unfortunately, we have done neither,

Now, I'll ask the Trigger supporters again. What has the current hierarchy done to progress the club's cause? This time, the taboo word can be "universally"?

"universally"????????

the club is financially stable.

this may be off topic, but only slightly.

do you think the Crows should prop up the SANFL how it does?

if the answer is no, do you care if the SANFL declines into a glorified amature league?

 

[Vader]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this, but we are forever hearing about all the other "bad things" Rendell said/did, Trigg or Chapman even intimated it at the AGM, but no one will say anything about it, except "trust us", which is something I refuse to do with the current administration.

Rendell just didn't know how or when to keep his big mouth shut. That made him a massive favourite of the fans (hence the uproar when he was forced to resign), because he was a rare straight shooter who answered questions honestly and truthfully, even when he shouldn't have.

The lack of politically driven double speak was both a blessing and a curse. While making him a fan favourite, it also landed him in hot water with the management on numerous occasions.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

To answer the second question first, Collingwood have gone from middling traditional club to off field powerhouse under Eddie McGuire. Carlton have gone from knocking on death's door to solid ground. Geelong were a basket case when Frank Costa took over and have strengthened on and off field while fostering an incredible community rapport. WCE were like us 10 years ago and have become a behemoth.

To answer the first, I would be content for our club to have remained stable financially without lurching from one off field drama to the next over the last 3 years. Unfortunately, we have done neither,

Now, I'll ask the Trigger supporters again. What has the current hierarchy done to progress the club's cause? This time, the taboo word can be "universally"?

Do you not think its a coincidence that the teams you have picked have had a heap of 1st round draft picks and or father son picks to help their cause. I do agree the administration have done the yards to get these clubs to where they are now though.
Do you not think the success that Collingwood have had on the field since Malthouse was there has influenced their membership and financial situation, not to mention the prime time slots they get also gives them more exposure from a marketing perspective?
Geelong have been graced with a lot of F/S picks and if you add their success particularly over the last 5 years, 3 cups out of 5 GF that also helps the cause. Frank Costa has done a marvelous job in turning around a debt of about 7 million, however again the last 5/6 years have helped Geelongs cause enormously.
Carlton were always going to turn it around, their supporter base is huge and once they start winning, as we have seen, the finances start to roll in. Having Judd their helps just that little bit more. If Micky gets them up watch the memberships grow and watch the bottom line grow!!!
What I am saying is club success on the field will have a dramatic impact to the bottom line through increase in membership and sponsors, marketing opportunities etc, however you also need a stable and well run club to achieve ultimate success in September.

You also mention that you would be content for our club to have remained stable financially without lurching from one off field drama to the next. I don't believe these two are linked.
Our financial situation has more to do with the stadium deal with the SANFL rather than off field issues (I cant understand how but it does). Sure off field issues will have some some impact but that is not why we have struggled financially over recent years, the stadium deal is the killer.

Now in your last sentence you make reference to Trigg but ask what the current hierarchy has done to progress the clubs cause. Are you asking what has Trigg done or what has the administration done?
Regardless, the AFC had some reasonable success while Craig was there and then we had a couple of terrible years before his departure in 2011. Since Craigs departure the club has gone from 14th to a kick away from a GF, is that not progress?? At the end of 2011 no one here would have thought we would be a kick away from a GF..no one!!!
Who takes credit for that? Doesn't the whole club take the credit or do we just give King Sando the credit?
If your answer is the later then you have probably contradicted the statement you made above.
Lastly I also ask you this, lets just say the Tippett saga never happened. Lets roll back the clock to the week after the 2012 prelim final loss to the Hawks. At that time would you have asked the same question that you have asked today about the hierarchy and what they have done to progress the clubs cause??

And just to make it clear I think Trigg is bloody lucky to still have his job.

 

[footy4ever]

Well that would have been a let down for him. But it's odd that this was the last year with us but he's back in recruiting with a different club

Money and better under-the-table deals always win.

 

[Geoffa32]

Haper didn't come back in his old role, perhaps Trigg wont either if he comes back,


Perhaps he will be our Integrity Officer??

 

[Elite Crow]

Rendell just didn't know how or when to keep his big mouth shut. That made him a massive favourite of the fans (hence the uproar when he was forced to resign), because he was a rare straight shooter who answered questions honestly and truthfully, even when he shouldn't have.

The lack of politically driven double speak was both a blessing and a curse. While making him a fan favourite, it also landed him in hot water with the management on numerous occasions.

Which comments do you consider would have landed him in hot water?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Rendell was only staying on for last year's draft. He said that himself.

I said it wasn't the point.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Rendell just didn't know how or when to keep his big mouth shut. That made him a massive favourite of the fans (hence the uproar when he was forced to resign), because he was a rare straight shooter who answered questions honestly and truthfully, even when he shouldn't have.

The lack of politically driven double speak was both a blessing and a curse. While making him a fan favourite, it also landed him in hot water with the management on numerous occasions.

Adelaide Football Club - stomping on personalities since 2005.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Rendell just didn't know how or when to keep his big mouth shut. That made him a massive favourite of the fans (hence the uproar when he was forced to resign), because he was a rare straight shooter who answered questions honestly and truthfully, even when he shouldn't have.

The lack of politically driven double speak was both a blessing and a curse. While making him a fan favourite, it also landed him in hot water with the management on numerous occasions.

Everyone has their weaknesses.

The main reason we employed Rendell was to recruit quality players for AFC. He performed this role better than anyone had before & had a great record.

The only time I can recall him "embarrassing" the club, was something he said in private, which was made public by someone who is not exactly trust-worthy on all matters. This was minor comapared to the good things ge brought to the club.

Now contrasts the pros & cons brought to AFC for our CEO on extended leave... Loss of picks, illegal contracts v great relationship with sponsors & SANFL...

 

[Cap]

Everyone has their weaknesses.

The main reason we employed Rendell was to recruit quality players for AFC. He performed this role better than anyone had before & had a great record.

The only time I can recall him "embarrassing" the club, was something he said in private, which was made public by someone who is not exactly trust-worthy on all matters. This was minor comapared to the good things ge brought to the club.

Now contrasts the pros & cons brought to AFC for our CEO on extended leave... Loss of picks, illegal contracts v great relationship with sponsors & SANFL...

the funniest part being one of his racist theories, i.e more support for Aboriginals is coming to fruition with the AFL considering a Indigenous team...now if you want racist you have it right there. (if BF is to be believed and the AFL is considering it.)


The club like to hide behind the "other things" Rendell did, but again choose to remain silent - it appears the clubs strategy to deal with negative press is to simply shut up shop and hope it blows over.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The club like to hide behind the "other things" Rendell did, but again choose to remain silent - it appears the clubs strategy to deal with negative press is to simply shut up shop and hope it blows over.

Yep. The less we say the better.

Gives no one a chance to analyse it, measure it against known facts, probe for inconsistencies, identify contradictions or ask follow up questions.

 

[skoobydoo]

Yep. The less we say the better.

Gives no one a chance to analyse it, measure it against known facts, probe for inconsistencies, identify contradictions or ask follow up questions.

Just like that family mob who wave to the serfs from balconies of palaces in Britain.

 

[Gary17]

the funniest part being one of his racist theories, i.e more support for Aboriginals is coming to fruition with the AFL considering a Indigenous team...now if you want racist you have it right there. (if BF is to be believed and the AFL is considering it.)

Why do people continue to insist that the racist part of what Rendell said was along the lines of "indigenous players need more support"?? It wasn't. The racist bit was when he said that in the future they might have to only recruit indigenous players who have one white parent. That's the racist bit. Because it implies that if you have white skin you are a good parent and if you have black skin you are a poor parent. That's it. Not all that hard.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Why do people continue to insist that the racist part of what Rendell said was along the lines of "indigenous players need more support"?? It wasn't. The racist bit was when he said that in the future they might have to only recruit indigenous players who have one white parent. That's the racist bit. Because it implies that if you have white skin you are a good parent and if you have black skin you are a poor parent. That's it. Not all that hard.

You're right, but all that is is the unsaid bit whenever anyone points out that young indigenous footballers need more assistance.

Why do they need more assistance?

 

[Cap]

Why do people continue to insist that the racist part of what Rendell said was along the lines of "indigenous players need more support"?? It wasn't. The racist bit was when he said that in the future they might have to only recruit indigenous players who have one white parent. That's the racist bit. Because it implies that if you have white skin you are a good parent and if you have black skin you are a poor parent. That's it. Not all that hard.

yes, but he didn't say he would actually do that, only that if the AFL didn't do something, it could get to that point.

quite clearly the AFL don't think he is racist, given they have endorsed his employment at the AFL and taken up one of his ideas.

the only people looking stupid out of this debacle are again, the AFC.

 

[Deaneus!]

and taken up one of his ideas.

Ah yes, wasn't that the originally racist idea? Lucky the AFL was able to de-racist it, although it appears to be exactly the same.

 

[jenny61_99]

yes, but he didn't say he would actually do that, only that if the AFL didn't do something, it could get to that point.

quite clearly the AFL don't think he is racist, given they have endorsed his employment at the AFL and taken up one of his ideas.

the only people looking stupid out of this debacle are again, the AFC.

The AFL change their tune to suit themselves. Oh and lets not forget that it was Collingwood that wanted him, so yes, sure - all is now forgiven. They put incredible pressure on us to sack him which in the end, we didn't do - he resigned, acknowledging himself that it had to happen.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The AFL change their tune to suit themselves. Oh and lets not forget that it was Collingwood that wanted him, so yes, sure - all is now forgiven. They put incredible pressure on us to sack him which in the end, we didn't do - he resigned, acknowledging himself that it had to happen.

I wonder why our Board didn't accept Trigg's resignation but accepted Rendell's?

 

[jenny61_99]

Ah yes, wasn't that the originally racist idea? Lucky the AFL was able to de-racist it, although it appears to be exactly the same.

I thought his comments were to do with the fact that it would soon get to the point where clubs would only pick indigenous players if they had one white parent?

 

[jenny61_99]

I wonder why our Board didn't accept Trigg's resignation but accepted Rendell's?

Perhaps because there was a history there? I really don't know Carl. But it could also have been a case of "let's not make the same mistake twice".

 

[jenny61_99]

You're right, but all that is is the unsaid bit whenever anyone points out that young indigenous footballers need more assistance.

Why do they need more assistance?

Not sure if rhetorical?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not sure if rhetorical?

It probably is rhetorical, but Rendell went some way towards answering it.

Better left unsaid.

Which is ridiculous when you consider that he lost his job over it simply by pointing out an elephant in the room that everyone else has the tact not to mention.

 

[Cap]

Ah yes, wasn't that the originally racist idea? Lucky the AFL was able to de-racist it, although it appears to be exactly the same.

well in reality it is one of the most racist ideas I have ever seen an elite sporting body take

just after the aboriginal all stars v the rest

 

[Vader]

It probably is rhetorical, but Rendell went some way towards answering it.

Better left unsaid.

Which is ridiculous when you consider that he lost his job over it simply by pointing out an elephant in the room that everyone else has the tact not to mention.

As has been repeatedly stated, that was not the only reason why he lost his job. It was just the straw that broke the camel's back.