Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Deliverance]

The planned centre of Tarneit around the station is far more dense than anywhere outside the very centre of Glen Waverley. I grew up in the area. Most of the change has been replacing 70's homes with McMansions, no increased density of people, just bigger houses.

Go two streets away from the high school and the blocks are twice as big as Tarneit blocks.

And most of those blocks are being subdivided in to townhouses. The only exception is when a chinese buyer knocks down to build a French provincial double storey. GW density - 2672 per sqkm, Tarniet - 1757
You need to revisit if you don't know the current status.

 

[Deliverance]

You obviously missed all those houses getting knocked down a subdivided into two town houses.

It's more often 3 townhouses.

 

[Deliverance]

Where do I begin? Off the top of my head -

• Law & Order - the government claims to have implemented the "toughest bail laws" in Australia. They are anything but that and the government's claims are an absolute LIE! When an individual can commit a serious crime while out on bail for the 50th time, and when a person on bail for car theft can steal a truck and kill an unsuspecting motorist, you know things are bad. Yet, we hear nothing from the government and if the government does make a comment it will be the typical glib, "our bail laws are the toughest in the country".
• Housing - hip hip hooray that house prices are coming down! But at what price? Developers and investors are steering clear of Victoria. Victoria has the highest property tax rates in Australia. Any chance of high rise apartments being constructed by developers around the new activity centres will simply NEVER happen.
• Roads - an abject failure and embarrassment. Major roads littered with pot holes and no maintenance of verges and median strips. Drive out on the Monash Freeway and get off at Toorak RD. Weeds growing to 2 metres in height. No exaggeration., Road signage is defaced with graffiti, predominantly the bird graffiti. The government has completely given up on graffiti. Road maintenance funding was slashed by 67% in the last budget. Instead of fixing potholes speed limits on major arterial roads have been cut. Of course, the state will miraculously find funds to repair the roads before the next election, but in the meantime...
• The Public Service - more than 325,000 people (259,791 FTE) are employed by the Public Service. Doing what for *'s sake? The wages bill grew from $18.5 billion in 2014-15 to $36.5 billion in 2024-25. On 27/12/24 the government quietly announced the wages bill for this year had blown out by $2.7B. How the * does that happen when we are in a financial pickle? And despite the exponential growth of the public service, its use of consultants has also grown exponentially. So we are using more consultants to do the work that the over inflated public service could or should be doing.
• COVID - Victorians are still paying in so many ways for this government's heavy-handed approach to lockdowns. More businesses in Melbourne have either have gone to the wall or relocated interstate. And what is the government's solution to pay down the Covid debt? Slug businesses and property owners with new taxes.
• SRL - in theory it may be nice to have an underground line between Cheltenham and Box Hill, but it is unaffordable in 2025. There is no business case for the entire project, nor does the government have any guaranteed funding. Yet works plough on. Who the **** is paying for the current works? Taxpayers. And everyday we are seeing evidence of costs being cut across other services no doubt because all the government's eggs are in the SRL basket.
• Lack of transparency and lies - I have never known a state government to be so secretive, deceitful and obtuse as the Andrews and Allan governments. Treat Victorians like mushrooms must be its official mantra! Feed Victorians shit and keep them in the dark! A good example was the Commonwealth Games fiasco. A week before Dam pulled the pin, Jacinta told a Parliamentary Committee that everything was "on track". The government never had any intention holding the games. This government has also spent more fighting FOI applications than any government because it does not believe Victorians have a right to know how decisions are made. When Andrews became Premier he vowed to make his government transparent.

I could go on...

As for your claim this government can take credit for the "biggest concerts, biggest sporting events, vibrant and busy social scene", what a load of rubbish.

Nice feels, but

Law and order

The new data also reveals that Queensland and the Northern Territory are among the few states in Australia where household crime and personal crime rates have increased in the past four years.

With 55,000 cars stolen across Australia last financial year, ABS figures reveal household crimes are rising in Qld and NT

New data reveals the worst states and territories in Australia for car thefts, home invasions and other crimes during the last financial year.

www.abc.net.au

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-named-crime-capital-of-australia/80f9e7d2-7364-4c61-87bf-686b91b7763f&ved=2ahUKEwjYofD_ueOKAxU5bWwGHUWJGYoQFnoECBwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1wzMtLTScG_lBt0-pvBfu8

Housing
First home buyers are seeing the best conditions in the nation due to someone finally taking on investors. This has also seen a reduction 8n rent costs.

First home buyers in as investors shown the door - Surf Coast Times

Good news for VIC first home buyers! More activity in the market. Investors decrease, renters increase purchases due to high rental costs. Victoria offers stable prices & lending conditions.

timesnewsgroup.com.au

Roads
still work to be done to recover from the record floods in recent years, but
As part of a 10-year $6.6 billion investment, $964 million will be spent to maintain our state's road network this coming year alone – including extra funding to clean up the damage from flooding. This is nearly double the average spend of $493 million between 2010 and 2014.

Public service
wages are largely in line with population per state

Public sector employment and earnings, 2023-24 financial year

Contains estimates of public sector employees and cash wages and salaries by level of government, state and industry

www.abs.gov.au

Covid
Mistakes were made, but half our problems wouldn't have existed if the LNP had shut the borders earlier and got a hold of vaccines quicker.

 

[Deliverance]

Victoria handled the pandemic the worst. A pre schooler literally could have designed a more robust quarantine system. They literally locked us down so many times due to the complete failure of the goverment.

Yep, quarantine system was a mess to begin. Was their biggest failing.

 

[Deliverance]

Spot on. They are a shambles. The public service bill is the worst.

It's actually not. Victoria has 26% of the nations population and just 24% of the nation's public service wages bill.

 

[Sttew]

Nice feels, but

Law and order

The new data also reveals that Queensland and the Northern Territory are among the few states in Australia where household crime and personal crime rates have increased in the past four years.

With 55,000 cars stolen across Australia last financial year, ABS figures reveal household crimes are rising in Qld and NT

New data reveals the worst states and territories in Australia for car thefts, home invasions and other crimes during the last financial year.

www.abc.net.au

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-named-crime-capital-of-australia/80f9e7d2-7364-4c61-87bf-686b91b7763f&ved=2ahUKEwjYofD_ueOKAxU5bWwGHUWJGYoQFnoECBwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1wzMtLTScG_lBt0-pvBfu8

Housing
First home buyers are seeing the best conditions in the nation due to someone finally taking on investors. This has also seen a reduction 8n rent costs.

First home buyers in as investors shown the door - Surf Coast Times

Good news for VIC first home buyers! More activity in the market. Investors decrease, renters increase purchases due to high rental costs. Victoria offers stable prices & lending conditions.

timesnewsgroup.com.au

Roads
still work to be done to recover from the record floods in recent years, but
As part of a 10-year $6.6 billion investment, $964 million will be spent to maintain our state's road network this coming year alone – including extra funding to clean up the damage from flooding. This is nearly double the average spend of $493 million between 2010 and 2014.

Public service
wages are largely in line with population per state

Public sector employment and earnings, 2023-24 financial year

Contains estimates of public sector employees and cash wages and salaries by level of government, state and industry

www.abs.gov.au

Covid
Mistakes were made, but half our problems wouldn't have existed if the LNP had shut the borders earlier and got a hold of vaccines quicker.

Typical leftist “head in the sand” response.

Law and order in this state is a shambles and this government is too proud to admit it has ****ed it up with its bail reforms.

You’ve fallen for the “floods did all the damage” to the roads argument.

The government may have promised to spend $964M on road repairs but that makes up for successive years of fund cuts, including 67% last year. Our roads are the worst in Australia. Third world standard. And you accept that?

Wages for the public service may be in line with population growth per state, whatever that means. But facts is our public service has doubled in size under Labor and faces a $2.7B black hole this financial year. It is the biggest employer in the state and still uses consultants to make significant decisions notwithstanding we have more highly paid executives than any other state.

As for Covid, why is it that other states were so much more measured? Why did we have a sledgehammer approach? We are mocked around the world for the length of the lockdowns.

 

[peetoo]

I thought right wing posters didn’t care if we were ‘mocked around the world’

 

[Deliverance]

Typical leftist “head in the sand” response.

Law and order in this state is a shambles and this government is too proud to admit it has ****ed it up with its bail reforms.

You’ve fallen for the “floods did all the damage” to the roads argument.

The government may have promised to spend $964M on road repairs but that makes up for successive years of fund cuts, including 67% last year. Our roads are the worst in Australia. Third world standard. And you accept that?

Wages for the public service may be in line with population growth per state, whatever that means. But facts is our public service has doubled in size under Labor and faces a $2.7B black hole this financial year. It is the biggest employer in the state and still uses consultants to make significant decisions notwithstanding we have more highly paid executives than any other state.

As for Covid, why is it that other states were so much more measured? Why did we have a sledgehammer approach? We are mocked around the world for the length of the lockdowns.

Leftist? Firstly, facts don't care about your left of right histrionics. Secondly, ALP is not left

3rd world standard roads?

 

[Saint]

And most of those blocks are being subdivided in to townhouses. The only exception is when a chinese buyer knocks down to build a French provincial double storey. GW density - 2672 per sqkm, Tarniet - 1757
You need to revisit if you don't know the current status.

You're using existing numbers, Tarneit isn't finished yet, particularly the planned higher res around train stations. Tarneit West and Tarneit North are planned with pop densities in excess of 3,000. And most of these areas aren't walking distance to a train station like almost all of Glen Waverley is.

See below, empty around the station because it's planned high/med density (plus town centre) but it isn't financially viable yet.

 

[Deliverance]

You're using existing numbers, Tarneit isn't finished yet, particularly the planned higher res around train stations. Tarneit West and Tarneit North are planned with pop densities in excess of 3,000. And most of these areas aren't walking distance to a train station like almost all of Glen Waverley is.

See below, empty around the station because it's planned high/med density (plus town centre) but it isn't financially viable yet.

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What are you on about. All of those empty blocks are easily walkable to the train station.
GW isn't finished yet either by the way, but the fact that's it's currently much more dense than most other suburbs is a prime reason why the SRL is going through there. It will easily push past 3000 in the next decade. It's just a step or two behind Box Hill.

 

[eddiesmith]

Nice feels, but

Law and order

The new data also reveals that Queensland and the Northern Territory are among the few states in Australia where household crime and personal crime rates have increased in the past four years.

With 55,000 cars stolen across Australia last financial year, ABS figures reveal household crimes are rising in Qld and NT

New data reveals the worst states and territories in Australia for car thefts, home invasions and other crimes during the last financial year.

www.abc.net.au

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-named-crime-capital-of-australia/80f9e7d2-7364-4c61-87bf-686b91b7763f&ved=2ahUKEwjYofD_ueOKAxU5bWwGHUWJGYoQFnoECBwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1wzMtLTScG_lBt0-pvBfu8

Housing
First home buyers are seeing the best conditions in the nation due to someone finally taking on investors. This has also seen a reduction 8n rent costs.

First home buyers in as investors shown the door - Surf Coast Times

Good news for VIC first home buyers! More activity in the market. Investors decrease, renters increase purchases due to high rental costs. Victoria offers stable prices & lending conditions.

timesnewsgroup.com.au

Roads
still work to be done to recover from the record floods in recent years, but
As part of a 10-year $6.6 billion investment, $964 million will be spent to maintain our state's road network this coming year alone – including extra funding to clean up the damage from flooding. This is nearly double the average spend of $493 million between 2010 and 2014.

Public service
wages are largely in line with population per state

Public sector employment and earnings, 2023-24 financial year

Contains estimates of public sector employees and cash wages and salaries by level of government, state and industry

www.abs.gov.au

Covid
Mistakes were made, but half our problems wouldn't have existed if the LNP had shut the borders earlier and got a hold of vaccines quicker.

I like the fact you use an article from 9 months ago to prove a point, but don’t want to publish something more recent on Victoria’s soaring crime rates?

Youth crime in Victoria has soared to its highest level since 2010, while domestic violence incidents hit a 10-year-high, concerning new crime data shows.

Victorian crime statistics: Youth crime, domestic violence soars, new data shows

 

[adogsfan5]

The roads are as bad as I have ever seen. Not sure anyone could possibly deny that at this point. My area (I don’t recall any floods in the eastern suburbs) has seen repairs on FTG road, and they last probably a fortnight before they are damaged again. There are potholes galore on FTG road around the Blackburn, Scoresby and FTG areas.

 

[Sttew]

The roads are as bad as I have ever seen. Not sure anyone could possibly deny that at this point. My area (I don’t recall any floods in the eastern suburbs) has seen repairs on FTG road, and they last probably a fortnight before they are damaged again.

Deliverance will have us believe that somehow the 2022 floods in rural Victoria caused damage to the entire Victorian road network. A trickle effect?

Instead of fixing that damage this government saw fit to slash road maintenance funding in the budget. Spending on road maintenance / resurfacing in 2023/2024 was 18% of what was spent the previous year, and fell from $201,4m to $38m ACROSS the state. Add to that, the government slashed the TAC's marketing and road safety budget.

But of course the government is now promising to spend a billion dollars over 10 years to fix the roads. A promise as credible as the 4,000 new ICU beds promise!

 

[Deliverance]

I like the fact you use an article from 9 months ago to prove a point, but don’t want to publish something more recent on Victoria’s soaring crime rates?

Victorian crime statistics: Youth crime, domestic violence soars, new data shows

Also from that article

Despite the alarming figures, the Crime Statistics Agency stressed that population growth played a role in skewing the results. Relax Henny, the sky is not falling and we are still doing better than Qld and NSW

Recorded Crime - Offenders, 2022-23 financial year

Statistics about offenders proceeded against by police, including demographic, most serious offence, and family and domestic violence information.

www.abs.gov.au

The number of police proceedings recorded in 2022–23 were:

208,359 in New South Wales
150,563 in Queensland
103,863 in Victoria
38,704 in South Australia
13,591 in the Northern Territory
13,071 in Tasmania
3,564 in the Australian Capital Territory
The numbers of proceedings increased in all published states and territories except New South Wales (down 13% or 30,075 proceedings) and Victoria (down 6% or 7,057 proceedings).

23/24 stats will be available in March

 

[Deliverance]

Deliverance will have us believe that somehow the 2022 floods in rural Victoria caused damage to the entire Victorian road network. A trickle effect?

Instead of fixing that damage this government saw fit to slash road maintenance funding in the budget. Spending on road maintenance / resurfacing in 2023/2024 was 18% of what was spent the previous year, and fell from $201,4m to $38m ACROSS the state. Add to that, the government slashed the TAC's marketing and road safety budget.

But of course the government is now promising to spend a billion dollars over 10 years to fix the roads. A promise as credible as the 4,000 new ICU beds promise!

Nope, not what I claimed. Off you go with the theatrics again.



They definitely need to increase funding though. With record number of cars, trucks and extra heavy EVs, roads will be hard to maintain for any government. Can't believe those Aholes took the vic government to court over the EV road user tarrifs.
But hey, at least we're not in NSW

The sorry state of New South Wales' road network revealed

More than 15 per cent of roads in New South Wales received just one star in the latest assessment of road safety.

www.carexpert.com.au

Surprising after years of steady LNP leadership

Australia's most dangerous roads

The highways with the highest crash and fatality rates in Australia.

www.mynrma.com.au

 

[eddiesmith]

The roads are as bad as I have ever seen. Not sure anyone could possibly deny that at this point. My area (I don’t recall any floods in the eastern suburbs) has seen repairs on FTG road, and they last probably a fortnight before they are damaged again. There are potholes galore on FTG road around the Blackburn, Scoresby and FTG areas.

Was in Crazieburn today, must have been flooded as well, holy crap the main roads were terrible. Had to apologise to the international visitors I was driving for the bouncy trip.

 

[nut]

I like the fact you use an article from 9 months ago to prove a point, but don’t want to publish something more recent on Victoria’s soaring crime rates?

Victorian crime statistics: Youth crime, domestic violence soars, new data shows

Crime rates always go up when the police want more money

 

[Jane Doe]

The apologists for this current inept State Government need to open both eyes. Some of the posts made defending them are laughable.

 

[eddiesmith]

Crime rates always go up when the police want more money

So that’s the reason for all the arson attacks on businesses, it’s not criminals it’s the FRV pay deal bargaining team.

 

[nut]

So that’s the reason for all the arson attacks on businesses, it’s not criminals it’s the FRV pay deal bargaining team.

I’m not going to confirm or deny. I’ve said too much already

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Re: the roads.

I don't live in Victoria anymore so don't give a shit who you elect. But your roads are rubbish.

Driving down to Gippsland for chrissy I went via the Monara Highway from Bombala (NSW) down to Cann River (Victoria). The NSW section of the road was smooth, well graded and maintained. The Victorian side was a pothole ridden goat-track. Several sections had the speed limit reduced to 60 due to hazards on the road. All the while driving past signs proudly proclaiming the Victorian Government's "Monaro Highway Upgrade".

 

[Saint]

Also from that article

Despite the alarming figures, the Crime Statistics Agency stressed that population growth played a role in skewing the results. Relax Henny, the sky is not falling and we are still doing better than Qld and NSW

Recorded Crime - Offenders, 2022-23 financial year

Statistics about offenders proceeded against by police, including demographic, most serious offence, and family and domestic violence information.

www.abs.gov.au

The number of police proceedings recorded in 2022–23 were:

208,359 in New South Wales
150,563 in Queensland
103,863 in Victoria
38,704 in South Australia
13,591 in the Northern Territory
13,071 in Tasmania
3,564 in the Australian Capital Territory
The numbers of proceedings increased in all published states and territories except New South Wales (down 13% or 30,075 proceedings) and Victoria (down 6% or 7,057 proceedings).

23/24 stats will be available in March

So crime is down in Victoria. Don't think it'll stop the Herald Sun and Libs running a crime-is-rampant campaign.

And since facts don't matter to a lot of people or the media as much as feelings now, it'll get some traction.

 

[Sttew]

Re: the roads.

I don't live in Victoria anymore so don't give a shit who you elect. But your roads are rubbish.

Driving down to Gippsland for chrissy I went via the Monara Highway from Bombala (NSW) down to Cann River (Victoria). The NSW section of the road was smooth, well graded and maintained. The Victorian side was a pothole ridden goat-track. Several sections had the speed limit reduced to 60 due to hazards on the road. All the while driving past signs proudly proclaiming the Victorian Government's "Monaro Highway Upgrade".

Certain posters will mimic Labor MP's and say the conditions of roads is due to flood damage that occurred in.... 2022. That may be the case. But why is it that roads in NSW & QLD, which both receive 4X the rainfall of Victoria didn't suffer the same damage, and why haven't the roads been repaired yet?

 

[Sttew]

So crime is down in Victoria. Don't think it'll stop the Herald Sun and Libs running a crime-is-rampant campaign.

And since facts don't matter to a lot of people or the media as much as feelings now, it'll get some traction.

I don't know how anyone could argue that crime is not up. We see clear evidence of it every day. Car thefts, house burglaries, tobacco shop fires, assaults, repeat crimes by offenders out on bail, etc. And its got nothing to do with the Herald Sun. As if the government is going to tell us that under its watch crime is up by 15%

The number of criminal incidents recorded by Victoria Police in the year to 30 September 2024 was 431,683, up 15.0% from 375,460 incidents recorded in the same period last year.

Homepage | Crime Statistics Agency Victoria

Homepage for Crime statistics

www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au

 

[Saint]

Correct, this is a year further than the ABS link.

Crimes per 100,000 population were only higher in 2016 (over the past 10 years). But still, it's pretty consistent, not a sustained upward trend. Certainly not something which is getting out of hand. It was worse, and in better financial times.