Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[Rob R]

Every club must want to deal with GCS, not only the Bowes deal but they have been very generous in their deals with Saints and Brisbane.

Still they aren't as bad as GWS who are now shopping Whitfield and Haynes. Suspect GWS is going to end North's run of wooden spoons next year

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[Rob R]

Yeah professional AFL players are totally living in houso fibros in Norlane......

The only thing that Geelong players mcmansions on the bellarine or around Pakington st is the price they paid after their special club discounts.

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[Shadow89]

Every club must want to deal with GCS, not only the Bowes deal but they have been very generous in their deals with Saints and Brisbane.

Still they aren't as bad as GWS who are now shopping Whitfield and Haynes. Suspect GWS is going to end North's run of wooden spoons next year

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I suspect you guys would go all in with Whit - as you've been into him for years

 

[catman2006]

Cats should go for whitfield and move a few fringe players on just to really be stuck in people's head.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Every club must want to deal with GCS, not only the Bowes deal but they have been very generous in their deals with Saints and Brisbane.

Still they aren't as bad as GWS who are now shopping Whitfield and Haynes. Suspect GWS is going to end North's run of wooden spoons next year

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Don't forget it was GC that enabled Geelong to end up with Jeremy Cameron

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

GC is booting Bowes out the door. They are happy for him and his $$$$ to be taken away from them, we're not exploiting them.

GWS have been pretty open about the fact they're happy to let players go to keep other players and their cap under control. Again, we aren't taking advantage of them or exploiting them.

Both trades are mutually beneficial outcomes.

You're absolutely exploiting GCS, as you should. You take advantage of what you can, that's the game.

Superbly run club. I don't like the rules as is, I think they need to be changed slightly. But great job by Geelong to get this done.

 

[Yummy5454]

You're absolutely exploiting GCS, as you should. You take advantage of what you can, that's the game.

Superbly run club. I don't like the rules as is, I think they need to be changed slightly. But great job by Geelong to get this done.

Obviously a Richmond supporter would respect it! You got Tom Lynch for free after winning a flag! If anything, they just pulled a Richmond!!

 

[bluespooner]

Staggering how much assistance Geelong has received from the AFL franchise called the gold coast. It started with two first round compensation picks gifted for Gary Ablett jnr; compared with pick 19 given to Hawthorn for Buddy Franklin when joining the swans. Pick 19 was the same compensation received by Geelong in 2017 for Stephen Motlop which was then used to facilitate in the return of Gary Ablett jnr along with pick 24.

2019 Geelong receive a 2020 first round draft pick in return for GC pick 27.

2020 Geelong receive pick 27 for 2021 third round draft pick

2022 Geelong receive Bowes and pick 7 for a salary dump.

Given how frequently Geelong is the beneficiary of the AFL's gold coast franchise and its inept list management, it would seem as an observer that they are getting inside AFL help.

 

[Shadow89]

Obviously a Richmond supporter would respect it! You got Tom Lynch for free after winning a flag! If anything, they just pulled a Richmond!!

Lol, still melting but never responded to my point about culture and the impacts that has on player decision making? Interesting...

 

[citizen-erased]

Quite interesting all the saltiness based on very good administration by the club, perhaps supporters of other teams need to look at their administrators and question what they aren't doing.

In our case, its everything

 

[GuyIncognito]

You're absolutely exploiting GCS, as you should. You take advantage of what you can, that's the game.

Superbly run club. I don't like the rules as is, I think they need to be changed slightly. But great job by Geelong to get this done.

An excellent and gracious post. You see things clearly. Bravo.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

No one decent ever really wanted to go to Geelong because it was sleepy hollow and without the bright lights of a big Melbourne club. The tide turns and suddenly people are pissed off good players are now interested in joining the club?? Deal with it sooks ffs..

 

[Superstar swan]

So realistically what gets this deal done

 

[Tackle_happy]

Top 6 will be made up of:
Ashcroft
Wardlaw
Tsatas
Sheezel
Cadman
Humphrey

Even if we take Clark at 7 (I think we take Cam Mackenzie), he will probably end up requesting a trade to the Cats in 2 years time.

Possibly would request the Pies - that's who he supports and apparently his old man also sponsors the club (small business type).

 

[dean33]

I don’t understand why the suns offered 7, surely a club would have taken it on by lengthening the contract as Geelong has done. Suns have been swindled.

 

[Yummy5454]

Lol, still melting but never responded to my point about culture and the impacts that has on player decision making? Interesting...

Was a very well articulated argument. Agree that Geelong's culture is outstanding and won Bowes over. Think that the powerlessness of clubs (especially GCS and GWS) in restricted free agency / trade denies them the opportunity to build real culture. Still think that AFL needs to take action to ensure parity.

You want to believe I'm 'melting' because I'm a Hawks supporter and we lost out on Bowes. But that's not the case, because if Essendon/ another rebuilding club got him, I wouldn't be 'melting' at all. I'm 'melting' because the premiers got him, and the AFL is, as is, in a bad place.

 

[Superstar swan]

Gold Coast demand pick 18.

Cats then have to split 7 and miss out on clark

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Obviously a Richmond supporter would respect it! You got Tom Lynch for free after winning a flag! If anything, they just pulled a Richmond!!

Yep, no players went to Hawks in their run.

 

[HairyO]

Was a very well articulated argument. Agree that Geelong's culture is outstanding and won Bowes over. Think that the powerlessness of clubs (especially GCS and GWS) in restricted free agency / trade gives them the opportunity to build culture. Still think that AFL needs to take action to ensure parity.

You want to believe I'm 'melting' because I'm a Hawks supporter and we lost out on Bowes. But that's not the case, because if Essendon/ another rebuilding club got him, I wouldn't be 'melting' at all. I'm 'melting' because the premiers got him, and the AFL is, as is, in a bad place.

And with Tassie joining there will be a new club with too few locals so imports will be raided regularly.

 

[Tackle_happy]

'It's technically within the rules, so how could it be unfair?'

I created this BigFooty account to respond to comments like this.

I'm sick and tired of Geelong supporters pretending like no one is allowed to criticise the grotesque injustice of this situation. Yes, your club is AMAZING at looting a busted system. Now, can we talk about how busted the system is?

Nobody wants to punish Geelong specifically, you myopic manatee. No club (including Hawthorn), should be able to abuse the AFL system to this extent. Geelong just won the premiership, so obviously this coup is particularly egregious - but this Bowes trade is really just the most recent of a long line of abject fleecing that the AFL has been either too docile, or too idiotic to intervene on. For all their 'equalisation' measures, teams like Geelong are making a mockery of out their league under their very noses.

The 'player empowerment era' means that once a player (contracted or not, it really doesn't matter) nominates his club of choice (almost always a rich, contending club), the club is held utterly hostage. So while you may be benefitting from it now, can you not see how perilous it is for the long-term health of the game?

GWS and GCS have been drafting and developing elite young talent for Years just for them to eventually request a trade to a wealthy Victorian club - hence, GWS and GCS are forced to trade them for a bag of chips (as they have 0 bargaining power) or hold them to their contract just to watch them walk away for free.

But why is this particularly scenario so terrible for the welfare of the game? Well, the shambolic Gold Coast front office - throwing away a former top 10 pick and pick 7, not even to the highest bidder, but to the former premier, just because Bowes says so? Not trading for established talent,or future picks, or even just offering Bowes and 2nd... and rich, established, contending clubs capitalising on their incompotence. Bowes is getting paid 1.6 million to be a VFL player, and yet, Gold Coast will let him choose where he wants to go, instead of seeking the best deal for him and pick 7? How can this possibly be allowed?

And Geelong being allowed to restructure a 1.6 2 year deal over 4 years - thereby completely shattering the integrity of a salary dump. I don't care whether the shifting of Bowes' contract aligns with the rulebook - it's a disgrace that Geelong don't have to cop the financial reprecusions of a SALARY-DUMP until well down the track.

Geelong fans, spare me: young, highly-talented contracted players like Bruhn chasing premierships at Geelong is not necessarily a reflection of a 'well run club'. It's more of a 'right place, right time' kind of thing. You just won a premiership, so obviously, you're a destination club. Which makes you more likely to win another premiership, which makes you more of a destination club. And what's GWS supposed to do? Any ex-Geelong area player (Danger, Cameron, the list goes on) can claim 'homesickness' (yeah, I don't buy it) and extort a trade from the inter-state clubs they were drafted to. Gold Coast and GWS fatten young prospects up, just for them to be poached by the likes of Geelong or Richmond at the first available opportunity. We've seen it time and time again, and it's clearly not getting any better. Ironically, even if Gold Coast or some other inter-state had taken Jhye Clark with that very same Pick 7, he probably would've requested a trade back to Geelong anyway.

The same goes for clubs in trouble like North Melbourne with Jason Horne-Francis. If he was really 'homesick', he would wager for any sort of return to SA. But of course, he wants PORT. He wants to play for a CONTENDER. Adelaide may have more to offer North, but because JHF chose Port, North have no bargaining power. They will either have to either ship away the former Number 1 pick for unders, or have to deal with a disgruntled JHF till he can leave of his own volition. They too fall victim to the 'player empowerment era'.

Current/future example: GWS landed a star in Taranto for pick 2. They developed him. He wanted to leave to Richmond. Richmond gave them pick 12 and 19. Hyopthetically, GWS lands a star in pick 12. They develop him. He wants to leave to Hawthorn. Hawthorn give them pick 16. Etc etc. Do you not see the vicious cycle unfolding here? GWS and Gold Coast are rendered mere nursing homes, because the current system gives them no power. Draft picks are meaningless to these clubs at the moment, so giving them more draft picks won't help, it'll just give the powerhouses more chances to establish dynasties.

Yes, anyone would've snatched the Bowes deal if they had a chance, Hawthorn included. That's not the point. The system is fundementally broken. I'm sick of Bowes, of Cameron, of Dangerfield, of Hopper, of Lynch, of Prestia snaking their way to premiership clubs, who aren't punished in salary for making the acquisition. Think Bowes and Pick 7 as Kevin Durant to the Warriors - when will a club like Geelong ever have to rebuild, when dysfunctional clubs like Gold Coast are jumping up and down to hand them prize draft picks, and all their players are looking to end up there anyway?

The former premiers shouldn't be allowed to acquire Bowes and Pick 7 for scraps, but they will, so that's that. Now it's up to the AFL to make sure it can't happen again. Restrictions on top 2/4/8 teams from acquiring talent? Reconstruction of the free agency / trade period system? Considerably greater salary cap for GCS and GWS? Longer rookie contracts? Just anything to restore some semblance of power to clubs, because literally anything is better than what we have right now.

This is bigger than any individual club. AFL is a SHAMBLES right now, and I'm afraid without decisive action, it'll only get worse.

Your first post? Well done! Welcome!

Can you summarise? Sure as hell most of us are not going to read past the first few sentences.

Here's a tip; be succinct, but be bold. Hold your ground and remember.... always have fun.

 

[Yummy5454]

Yep, no players went to Hawks in their run.

Nobody who had kicked 110 goals in the last two seasons, that's for sure

 

[Yummy5454]

Your first post? Well done! Welcome!

Can you summarise? Sure as he'll most of us are not going to read past the first few sentences.

Here's a tip be succinct, but be bold. Hold your ground and remember.... always have fun.

Valid tip, I'll keep that in mind going forward

 

[bluespooner]

Yep, no players went to Hawks in their run.

In terms of name players, the only one I can think of is Frawley, the rest they had to trade for. At the same time they had to cough up the biggest free agent in the history of that being a thing, in Franklin.

 

[maidentassie]

Staggering how much assistance Geelong has received from the AFL franchise called the gold coast. It started with two first round compensation picks gifted for Gary Ablett jnr; compared with pick 19 given to Hawthorn for Buddy Franklin when joining the swans. Pick 19 was the same compensation received by Geelong in 2017 for Stephen Motlop which was then used to facilitate in the return of Gary Ablett jnr along with pick 24.

2019 Geelong receive a 2020 first round draft pick in return for GC pick 27.

2020 Geelong receive pick 27 for 2021 third round draft pick

2022 Geelong receive Bowes and pick 7 for a salary dump.

Given how frequently Geelong is the beneficiary of the AFL's gold coast franchise and its inept list management, it would seem as an observer that they are getting inside AFL help.

U are so salty keep up the great content mate

 

[Shai]

Unwatching this thread til Jack actually is a Cats player.