Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[Footy Smarts]

What i dont understand is how the Bowes contract is allowed to be spread out. Surely his 2023 and 2024 contract commitment should stay as is, particularly in a salary dump scenario.

Bowes can sign whatever contract he wants and as long as it doesn't require Gold Coast to pay anything the salary has been successfully dumped.

The real question is why is he signing this new contract with geelong and not gold coast. Did they not think to discuss this sort of extension? Do they not rate him and think Geelong is making a massive mistake offering him 4 years? Were there other reasons he preferred geelong?

But the end result is what GC wanted which is Bowes' contract off the books.

 

[Tristan34]

You've missed the point why.
It's a competition, and paying unders flys in the face of an equalised system.

So it isn't equal because Geelong is run a little too well???

 

[Mr Magic]

it has been spread out as it’s a new contract at a new club as the existing amount owed had to be renegotiated to include the extra amount on top of what was owed from GC previous contract …it isn’t rocket science pick 7 is thrown in to compensate the club for taking on the full salary

Hence a salary dump by GC to clear their books for new signings and restructure payments for new contracts in the future

Nope the existing contract is separate, no negotiation necessary and no need for a trade to trigger a negotiation either.

Pick 7 and Bowes simply is not a competitive trade between arms length entities.

AFL HQ really is at the following stage with zero credibility.

We are at the 'I am a teapot' stage!!!

 

[FB19]

The problem is with the suns - if several sides were than keen on Bowes and the smoothing of the contract is allowed then why offer pick 7? If the cats think he is worth 500k a year then simply trade if you want to entice them like Grundy then take a later pick than the player is worth. The investigation should be into the total mismanagement of a football club on the Gold Coast maybe it’s Australia’s sporting equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle!
Equalisation is so far away the AFL can’t see the line but we know they don’t care their metrics are essentially the tv rights deal and crowds. Everything else is spin.
That aside interested in how do the cats get Henry bruhn and give suns future first and still get their prize Jhye Clark in the upcoming draft?

 

[Footy Smarts]

The problem is with the suns - if several sides were than keen on Bowes and the smoothing of the contract is allowed then why offer pick 7? If the cats think he is worth 500k a year then simply trade if you want to entice them like Grundy then take a later pick than the player is worth. The investigation should be into the total mismanagement of a football club on the Gold Coast maybe it’s Australia’s sporting equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle!
Equalisation is so far away the AFL can’t see the line but we know they don’t care their metrics are essentially the tv rights deal and crowds. Everything else is spin.
That aside interested in how do the cats get Henry bruhn and give suns future first and still get their prize Jhye Clark in the upcoming draft?

There's no way Geelong would pay him $500k a year for 4 years if we weren't getting something really good for it. If he was already at geelong I'd expect we'd only sign him up for 2-3 years and probably at 350-400. Similar to what I imagine Z Guthrie, Parfitt, O'Connor, etc would be on in their new contracts. Let's put him at the top of that range for simplicity.

The question is whether they could've got rid of his contract entirely without pick 7. If geelong would normally offer 1.2m over 3 but instead are offering 2m over 4 then if they got nothing for taking his salary they probably would ask GC to cover something like 1m of it (800k for the money difference and 200k for the risk of the additional year). Clearly GC think the extra 1m or so is worth offering up pick 7 for.

The problem with multiple suitors is that it's meaningless if he doesn't want to go there. Would the Hawks have taken all his salary and not demanded pick 7? I doubt it but even if they did if he says he's not going to Hawthorn there's not much GC can do.

 

[Mr Magic]

The problem is with the suns - if several sides were than keen on Bowes and the smoothing of the contract is allowed then why offer pick 7? If the cats think he is worth 500k a year then simply trade if you want to entice them like Grundy then take a later pick than the player is worth. The investigation should be into the total mismanagement of a football club on the Gold Coast maybe it’s Australia’s sporting equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle!
Equalisation is so far away the AFL can’t see the line but we know they don’t care their metrics are essentially the tv rights deal and crowds. Everything else is spin.
That aside interested in how do the cats get Henry bruhn and give suns future first and still get their prize Jhye Clark in the upcoming draft?

Nah it is more than that.

Here is the problem. Why bring up pick 7?? Pick 7 is about Geelong, it is not about GCS. So why would GCS bring up pick 7 as a initial anchor in the first place??

Put it this way. If Donald Trump in his art of the deal methods, which I have not read, could he make a case for saying we are not offering Bowes but Bowes and pick 7 to get a bite?

If GCS wanted to offload Bowes and the salary why not say we want to let go Bowes and his salary? What do other clubs propose? Many will not bite but surely the chances are a club(s) comes up with something better than giving away pick 7. If so Bowes would not go to Geelong because a better trade would be with another club and Bowes could decide to go there or not because GCS does not have to trade Bowes. This is not a Treloar scenario.

By unusually making the trade about pick 7 and not Bowes from the start it seems more about pick 7 to Geelong and Bowes is a sideshow

 

[Mr Magic]

There's no way Geelong would pay him $500k a year for 4 years if we weren't getting something really good for it. If he was already at geelong I'd expect we'd only sign him up for 2-3 years and probably at 350-400. Similar to what I imagine Z Guthrie, Parfitt, O'Connor, etc would be on in their new contracts. Let's put him at the top of that range for simplicity.

The question is whether they could've got rid of his contract entirely without pick 7. If geelong would normally offer 1.2m over 3 but instead are offering 2m over 4 then if they got nothing for taking his salary they probably would ask GC to cover something like 1m of it (800k for the money difference and 200k for the risk of the additional year). Clearly GC think the extra 1m or so is worth offering up pick 7 for.

The problem with multiple suitors is that it's meaningless if he doesn't want to go there. Would the Hawks have taken all his salary and not demanded pick 7? I doubt it but even if they did if he says he's not going to Hawthorn there's not much GC can do.

But this is not about Geelong.

GCS is trying to offload Bowes and his salary. Coincidentally Bowes picked Geelong after pick 7 was included in trade possibilities beforehand which has not been adequately explained

 

[Jibroni]

On face value its one of the most embarrassing trade in history, the Suns should be ashamed of themselves. It shows a high level of incompetence by everyone involved. If I was a supporter I would be disgusted.

 

[Caj]

It helps when your 30 year old players are taking unders in the twighlight of their career and a few retirements frees up the salary cap

But no keep thinking otherwise

Actually it helps when your players wives are paid outside of the salary cap

https://www.danmurphys.com.au/dans-daily/learn/next-gen-host-emma-hawkins-australiana-christmas-lunch

Toyota. - LMB Management

When Emma Hawkins thinks back to her most cherished childhood moments, her family’s Toyota LandCruiser always comes to mind. Years have gone by and now Emma has partnered as a Friend Of The Brand, taking the wheel and creating new memories with her own children.

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[nut]

Because it's not their decision. Why would Bowes agree to take less pay when he's already gone through the lean years on a back-ended deal? He owes them nothing, they owe him $1.6mil. And if they no longer want to pay him that, why would he do them a favour?

Instead he gets to go play for the Premiers and keep his money.

But he’ll essentially be playing 2 years for free for Geelong?
He was on 500k a season…. That would be 3ml over 6 seasons
Now he’ll only earn about 2.3 ml over 6 seasons.

 

[Footy Smarts]

But this is not about Geelong.

GCS is trying to offload Bowes and his salary. Coincidentally Bowes picked Geelong after pick 7 was included in trade possibilities beforehand which has not been adequately explained

We don't have all the details but it seems Geelong has been in discussions with Bowes' management for a while and pick 7 has only been thrown up fairly recently.

It's highly likely Geelong's initial discussions with Bowes were say 3 years at 350k paid by Geelong but that would still leave GC on the hook for ~$900k over the next 2 years. GC was always free to keep him but clearly didn't want to pay all that money.

Once geelong missed out on Hopper paying Bowes' entire salary was possible and that's probably when pick 7 was floated to take the additional $900k off GC's books. Suddenly when pick 7 was thrown up other teams suddenly got interested.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Dahl and Higgins = $500 k each

Selwood= $500 k or more

It isn’t hard to see where the money is tbh

I doubt Higgins was on anything like 500. But Selwood I think was reported at 500-750 so it's 1-1.2m in just those retirements

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I thought you guys was saying Selwood took a haircut for the club?

He wasn't, and for a comparable player hasn't freed up much. Dahlhaus the shocking contract at half a mill

 

[Gee Class Loco]

That aside interested in how do the cats get Henry bruhn and give suns future first and still get their prize Jhye Clark in the upcoming draft?

Clark??? Nah mate it is Aaron CADMAN.
Hawkins can't play forever.... Or can he?? lol

 

[CatToTheFuture]

In terms of pay where do Dahl and Higgins fit?

10th or 12th or 20th ?

Higgins pay a non-factor. Dahlhaus was a regrettably over paid contract though.

I can see why they did it at the time but it didn't work out the last 2 years

 

[MisterMarcus]

I love how supporters of opposition clubs are so "shocked" and "outraged" about this deal.....as if they wouldn't want their club to be all over it if they had the opportunity.

"Oh no, we'd totally give up a player and Pick 7 for almost nothing, purely out of the kindness of our hearts..."

 

[nut]

it has been spread out as it’s a new contract at a new club as the existing amount owed had to be renegotiated to include the extra amount on top of what was owed from GC previous contract …it isn’t rocket science pick 7 is thrown in to compensate the club for taking on the full salary

Hence a salary dump by GC to clear their books for new signings and restructure payments for new contracts in the future

You aren’t taking on the full salary …

The full Salary is 1.6m over the next 2 years…

Which player is now going to except a back ended contract?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Actually it helps when your players wives are paid outside of the salary cap

https://www.danmurphys.com.au/dans-daily/learn/next-gen-host-emma-hawkins-australiana-christmas-lunch

Toyota. - LMB Management

When Emma Hawkins thinks back to her most cherished childhood moments, her family’s Toyota LandCruiser always comes to mind. Years have gone by and now Emma has partnered as a Friend Of The Brand, taking the wheel and creating new memories with her own children.

lmbmanagement.com.au

All player partners are paid outside the cap. It’s called having a job.

Secondly the GFC isn’t going to facilitate some shonky deal for Mrs Hawkins with Toyota. We’ve been sponsored by Ford since 1925

 

[FB19]

Cadman will go to north with pick 1 or 2

Clark??? Nah mate it is Aaron CADMAN.
Hawkins can't play forever.... Or can he?? lol

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

This has to be the greatest melt of all time.

 

[Thetrader15]

What about Jones?

If he "retired", but I don't know wha the official situation was there.

I don't like when a club loses a player to retirement, only for the to come back as a FA elsewhere without the initial club having the ability to trade them.

 

[Thetrader15]

On face value its one of the most embarrassing trade in history, the Suns should be ashamed of themselves. It shows a high level of incompetence by everyone involved. If I was a supporter I would be disgusted.

It was only 2 years ago they traded 11 for 27 too.

 

[Strange Cat]

You aren’t taking on the full salary …

The full Salary is 1.6m over the next 2 years…

Which player is now going to except a back ended contract?

We are paying 2 mil over 4 years …he was owed 1.6 from his last contract with the suns

Maths isn’t your strong point is it?

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Im concerned with the lack of scrutiny from the usual media tweeters...

The Pres of the AFLPA just announces that he was interested in Bowes months ago (yet Geelong only approached the suns after pick 7 came into play) and the tweeters just buy it?

The rules are mysteriously changed so Geelong can receive a high pick as payment for taking on a contract, then they just restructure the contract and spread it out anyway. And none of the tweeters question it?

If Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond or Collingwood had made this trade, most of the usual suspects in the media would be reflecting the public opinion, that it stinks.

But for Geelong, its just crickets.

They must have some very good lobbyists behind the scenes.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You aren’t taking on the full salary …

The full Salary is 1.6m over the next 2 years…

Which player is now going to except a back ended contract?

Which Geelong player? Jack Bowes will