News Jack Dyer Stand -Demolition Has Begun

[Infamy]

So Richmond should erase its sense of history and tradition because the MCG is now an ugly concrete bowl. Alright

What would a Freo supporter know about history and tradition?

 

[Moppey]

Anyone been to victoria park in recent years. i Had a look at the place i dunno 8 years ago or so and it was a total shambles literally falling apart and everything in ruin. They have a heritage listed stand there i think but you wouldnt know it.

If the stands are so important to them then i suggest they fix em up properly.

At the end of the day if the club cannot expand and operate properly it will move and people are kidding themselves if they think otherwise.
Its not the rfc responibility to maintain and in this case restore the stand that responsibility is clearly the mcc or failing that the heritage council.

For what its worth i like the idea the old stand has been there for 100 years but for the life of me i can not see heritage in it. it is literally falling apart made up of hideous bricks and full of asbestos.
Its falling down and it is exorbitant to fix it or move it. Just because something is on the old side does it mean it has heritage qualities its not unique and the only real history it has is its history with the rfc.

When in melbourne most people i have been there with say how ugly the stands are. Who ever designed the tin shed should have been shot.

My dad who grew up in Richmond in the 3o's and 40's would be appalled at a stand forcing his beloved tigers out of their home suburb. It wasnt the ground or the stand that mattered to him it was the fact he was from richmond and the club represented the suburb.

Jacks name a bloke my father and uncles revered would be happy to see his name on any new stand built that would still honour his name.

 

[SpareTowel]

why do you care ???

Melbourne has lost enough of its heritage already. I say this coming from Perth which committed cultural suicide during the modernist craze of the 60s-80s. At least Melbourne has some character left

 

[guruisatiger]

Melbourne has lost enough of its heritage already. I say this coming from Perth which committed cultural suicide during the modernist craze of the 60s-80s. At least Melbourne has some character left

Fair enough, good on you
Well said

 

[Muddiemoose]

Can’t wait for this debate in 100 years when we have people trying to protect the old stand that was built in 2025 wanting to keep it for heritage reasons

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Knock it down campaigners


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[tora tora tora]

a few things to remember

1) Status Quo is not future generations enjoying the stand. Noone can work inside of it. Its been condemned, and has asbestos issues. And only 30 odd people are allowed to sit in the stand itself due to the same safety issues. Its a massive ******* paperweight - its no longer fit for purpose, unless that purpose is a rotting art installation

2) the Pies/Dons solution is relocation. If we move out to Craigieburn or Seaford or Tarniet, the building will either fall into complete and utter disrepair (as happened with Vic Park when the Pies left), or it will be taken over by the Dees and demolished

3) we are not getting land from Yarra Park. Both the MCC and Vic Govt will not allow that to happen. They have already rejected Melbourne building in the Park, and there is a strong push to ban cars from it completely.

4) The Vic Govt will not spend hundreds of millions of dollars making Brunton Avenue a tunnel. This is up there with perhaps the most stupid idea ive ever read on this forum. Except for the idea that the Vic Govt will redesign Punt Road to allow up to build back onto that land.

5) we have three options:

a) rebuild

b) leave

c) move all admin and support and medical to a third location (ie industrial parks of Mulgrave, Blackburn, or Clayton), and I'd suggest you ask the Dees how well that organizational structure works before you copy it

Sorry I'm a bit late to the debate. Can I confirm the JD stand is heritage listed and its future is decided not by RFC? So the plans for reno without JDS restoration are not realistic? Does RFC actually own Punt Road Oval?
It seems that we are floating our renovation plans with the knowledge they will be most likely be rejected.
Next best for me would be split up non core business and try to move that to a second site. Try to keep AFL & AFLW teams based at Punt Road. If we can take on the cost of renovating JDS back to a usable condition. $100 million? Get Govt to cough up a big chunk. Plus the whatever the cost of building at the new site.
Maybe RFC in its 2021 incarnation has grown too large for Punt Rd.
Are there any economic plusses for the club to be located in Richmond? Do train passengers drive past Punt Road Oval benefit us at all? Do commuters along Punt RD benefit us in any economic sense? Could we grow the brand in a different location.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Sorry I'm a bit late to the debate. Can I confirm the JD stand is heritage listed and its future is decided not by RFC? So the plans for reno without JDS restoration are not realistic? Does RFC actually own Punt Road Oval?
It seems that we are floating our renovation plans with the knowledge they will be most likely be rejected.
Next best for me would be split up non core business and try to move that to a second site. Try to keep AFL & AFLW teams based at Punt Road. If we can take on the cost of renovating JDS back to a usable condition. $100 million? Get Govt to cough up a big chunk. Plus the whatever the cost of building at the new site.
Maybe RFC in its 2021 incarnation has grown too large for Punt Rd.
Are there any economic plusses for the club to be located in Richmond? Do train passengers drive past Punt Road Oval benefit us at all? Do commuters along Punt RD benefit us in any economic sense? Could we grow the brand in a different location.

JDS is not currently listed. If you go to the heritage vic website, last time i looked only the horse trough is listed for the entire yarra park precinct

we have made our plans with govt approval, and this is an 11th hour bid to try and scuttle it

the only way to "preserve" the building as a functioning entity is to completely dismantle it, find out which materials are reusable and which are not, design around these, and rebuild with a very VERY restricted spec.

the club did look at dismantling and rebuilding elsewhere, but it was deemed cost prohibitive. From what ive heard the materials are pretty much cactus (which is why its condemned, noone is allowed inside, and only 30 odd people allowed in the stand).

 

[fleabitten]

If they knock it down, give a piece to every member who has been with the club more than 10 years.

 

[Muddiemoose]

If they knock it down, give a piece to every member who has been with the club more than 10 years.

Can’t wait to get an asbestos board in the mail

 

[partycorolla]

So Richmond should erase its sense of history and tradition because the MCG is now an ugly concrete bowl. Alright

It's a grand stand. Before it was there, some other history and tradition was cleared. If we were playing in front of a barrier reef, or a grand canyon or the gardens of Babylon, then I'd be all for it. A grandstand at a suburban ground....spare me. If it's good enough for stadiums with a much more prestige around the globe, then it's good enough for our little Punt Rd. Honour the great Jack Dyer's name and place in history, not a building he has his name attached to. Name the new one after him...or Dusty or Benny, or Dimma or Cotch or whoever...but let's get on with getting ready for the future.

 

[guruisatiger]

Can’t wait to get an asbestos board in the mail

we dont deliver asbestos
but if we can deliver it guarantee
we will do it as best as we can

 

[SpareTowel]

It's a grand stand. Before it was there, some other history and tradition was cleared. If we were playing in front of a barrier reef, or a grand canyon or the gardens of Babylon, then I'd be all for it. A grandstand at a suburban ground....spare me. If it's good enough for stadiums with a much more prestige around the globe, then it's good enough for our little Punt Rd. Honour the great Jack Dyer's name and place in history, not a building he has his name attached to. Name the new one after him...or Dusty or Benny, or Dimma or Cotch or whoever...but let's get on with getting ready for the future.

if your benchmark for heritage preservation is the gardens of babylon, then melbourne would be a bomb site. also there was just a grassy patch prior to the jack dyer stand

 

[DickieKnee]

I can't understand how the Jack Dyer Stand can be heritage listed yet the old MCC members stand wasn't.

 

[TheTick]

I can't understand how the Jack Dyer Stand can be heritage listed yet the old MCC members stand wasn't.

SpareTowel wasn't on the war path for that change, but I'm sure he complains to the Victorian Government and the MCC on a regular basis.

 

[SpareTowel]

I can't understand how the Jack Dyer Stand can be heritage listed yet the old MCC members stand wasn't.

The Jack Dyer Stand is more valuable precisely because we've lost structures like the old MCC members stand

Corner of Rathdowne Street, Carlton, 1890 v now. Few cared when the first structure went in the 1970s. Imagine the outcry now

 

[SpareTowel]

SpareTowel wasn't on the war path for that change, but I'm sure he complains to the Victorian Government and the MCC on a regular basis.

In better moods I laugh at the folly of it all

 

[DickieKnee]

The Jack Dyer Stand is more valuable precisely because we've lost structures like the old MCC members stand

Corner of Rathdowne Street, Carlton, 1890 v now. Few cared when the first structure went in the 1970s. Imagine the outcry now

I'm in support of keeping our genuine heritage buildings but that example is hardly a fair comparison.

 

[TheTick]

I'm glad I didn't need a sarcasm marker.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the former to the latter in the above example.
What is unknown is the cost of maintenance and upkeep of these old buildings. Someone needs to stump up real cash to get/keep them usable, and no one ever seems to.
If it's going to cost $40m (random example number) to get it back to usable as is, but provides no benefit other than having more than 30 people sit on the benches, it's unviable for Richmond to do it. That is an exercise that needs to be funded externally by conservation funding. If no one wants to "donate" that money for restoration, then it would be assumed that it's not seen as that important to resurrect.
So we come back to the point of the needs and wants of multiple stakeholders and how to compromise through the issues.
All I've seen from the Internet thus far is nothing more than emotional reactions instead of reasoned alternatives that meet the stated requirements and objectives with a reasonable funding model.
I assume that's because this is a footy forum and not the project and government teams.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I can't understand how the Jack Dyer Stand can be heritage listed yet the old MCC members stand wasn't.

The MCC members stand wasn't 107 years old encompassing WW2 history.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Geez I hope the admin staff love their new flashy car park because that's the most important thing.
Imagine if they had to get a train to work and walk 100 meters from the station to work.

 

[SpareTowel]

I'm in support of keeping our genuine heritage buildings but that example is hardly a fair comparison.

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It's also hardly a fair comparison to use a crappy photo of the stand while the other building is in its prime

 

[DickieKnee]

I'm glad I didn't need a sarcasm marker.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the former to the latter in the above example.
What is unknown is the cost of maintenance and upkeep of these old buildings. Someone needs to stump up real cash to get/keep them usable, and no one ever seems to.
If it's going to cost $40m (random example number) to get it back to usable as is, but provides no benefit other than having more than 30 people sit on the benches, it's unviable for Richmond to do it. That is an exercise that needs to be funded externally by conservation funding. If no one wants to "donate" that money for restoration, then it would be assumed that it's not seen as that important to resurrect.
So we come back to the point of the needs and wants of multiple stakeholders and how to compromise through the issues.
All I've seen from the Internet thus far is nothing more than emotional reactions instead of reasoned alternatives that meet the stated requirements and objectives with a reasonable funding model.
I assume that's because this is a footy forum and not the project and government teams.

The thing is with heritage listing you are restricted by what you can do to the building. If we did restore it there's no way we restore it to modern needs of a football HQ with room for indoor training facilities, medical rooms, offices etc. It would be nice restored 100yr old football stand but totally useless to our needs.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The thing is with heritage listing you are restricted by what you can do to the building. If we did restore it there's no way we restore it to modern needs of a football HQ with room for indoor training facilities, medical rooms, offices etc. It would be nice restored 100yr old football stand but totally useless to our needs.

Yup, heritage restoration is a nightmare with a massive price tag because anything you fix needs to be the same materials that were there originally or as close as possible
It’s generally extremely expensive and you can’t change things like the internal layout
It also lends itself to a very long and drawn out approval process
Could turn a 2 year project into a 10 year one easily

 

[Underarm]

It's also hardly a fair comparison to use a crappy photo of the stand while the other building is in its prime

There are no good photos of the stand. When was the last time you actually saw it?