News Jack Dyer Stand -Demolition Has Begun

[Aristotle Pickett]

Who said it hasn’t got past heritage laws?

The National Trust don’t decide these things, Heritage Victoria does.

From 2016, although this relates to sites already listed.

Today the state government introduced tough new laws into the Parliament to strengthen Victoria’s building system and provide greater protection for heritage listed places. The new provisions under the Planning and Environment Act 1987 will prevent developers from benefiting from the unlawful demolition or neglect of our heritage places.

The government have announced that the legislation will prohibit development on these sites for up to 10 years if the owners are charged with unlawful demolition, and will enable existing permits to be revoked and allow for new permits to be issued for specific purposes – such as building a park or reconstruction or repair of the heritage building.

The National Trust applauds the introduction of tough new laws to prevent developers profiting from the illegal demolition and neglect of the historic places valued by our community.

The illegal demolition of the Corkman Irish Pub in Carlton has rightly been a turning point for heritage protection in this state. The ongoing saga of this site has exposed the flaws in our system which have allowed developers to profit from the destruction of our cultural heritage.

 

[mauricerioli]

Ok I'll shut up now but it's not 'just an old grandstand ', it's over 100 years of history and an iconic Melbourne landmark.
Essendon, Collingwood and Fitzroy kept their grandstands.

Kept their grandstands but not their clubs.

See the pattern?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Kept their grandstands but not their clubs.

See the pattern?

So you think they should have demolished those grandstands?
Essendon was about the bowling club anyway not the grandstand.

 

[mauricerioli]

From 2016, although this relates to sites already listed.

Today the state government introduced tough new laws into the Parliament to strengthen Victoria’s building system and provide greater protection for heritage listed places. The new provisions under the Planning and Environment Act 1987 will prevent developers from benefiting from the unlawful demolition or neglect of our heritage places.

The government have announced that the legislation will prohibit development on these sites for up to 10 years if the owners are charged with unlawful demolition, and will enable existing permits to be revoked and allow for new permits to be issued for specific purposes – such as building a park or reconstruction or repair of the heritage building.

The National Trust applauds the introduction of tough new laws to prevent developers profiting from the illegal demolition and neglect of the historic places valued by our community.

The illegal demolition of the Corkman Irish Pub in Carlton has rightly been a turning point for heritage protection in this state. The ongoing saga of this site has exposed the flaws in our system which have allowed developers to profit from the destruction of our cultural heritage.

I’m sorry but you failed to include the bit where it hasn’t got past heritage laws, and the bit where we’re illegally demolishing it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I’m sorry but you failed to include the bit where it hasn’t got past heritage laws, and the bit where we’re illegally demolishing it.

I said in the opening sentence that it relates to places that have already been listed .
If it does get listed it will be protected properly.

 

[mauricerioli]

I said in the opening sentence that it relates to places that have already been listed .
If it does get listed it will be protected properly.

I was responding to you saying the club should have known it wouldn’t have got past heritage laws, it hasn’t got that far yet.

Anyway as another poster said we’re going around in circles, I admire your passion on this and we’ll just have to see what Heritage Victoria decides.

 

[Disco_Stu]

This is the first time Benny Gale has done something to piss me off.

 

[DickieKnee]

we’ll just have to see what Heritage Victoria decides

They will protect it IMO. If they do demolish it I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of that timber, would build an awesome veranda.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

a few things to remember

1) Status Quo is not future generations enjoying the stand. Noone can work inside of it. Its been condemned, and has asbestos issues. And only 30 odd people are allowed to sit in the stand itself due to the same safety issues. Its a massive ****ing paperweight - its no longer fit for purpose, unless that purpose is a rotting art installation

2) the Pies/Dons solution is relocation. If we move out to Craigieburn or Seaford or Tarniet, the building will either fall into complete and utter disrepair (as happened with Vic Park when the Pies left), or it will be taken over by the Dees and demolished

3) we are not getting land from Yarra Park. Both the MCC and Vic Govt will not allow that to happen. They have already rejected Melbourne building in the Park, and there is a strong push to ban cars from it completely.

4) The Vic Govt will not spend hundreds of millions of dollars making Brunton Avenue a tunnel. This is up there with perhaps the most stupid idea ive ever read on this forum. Except for the idea that the Vic Govt will redesign Punt Road to allow up to build back onto that land.

5) we have three options:

a) rebuild

b) leave

c) move all admin and support and medical to a third location (ie industrial parks of Mulgrave, Blackburn, or Clayton), and I'd suggest you ask the Dees how well that organizational structure works before you copy it

 

[SpareTowel]

Threats of leaving are empty. The location by the MCG and station is simply too great an advertisement for the club. Huge part of the attraction is the heritage stand

 

[SpareTowel]

It's going to be sweet seeing the stand get restored. Future generations will think we were insane for almost demolishing it

 

[tony__montana]

Didn't imply Dyer would be forgotten. Only said it was interesting to watch Richmond fans celebrate the demise of a home ground stand named after him.

It’s not being demolished for the hell of it, there is a purpose behind it and most fans agree with it.

 

[tony__montana]

Threats of leaving are empty. The location by the MCG and station is simply too great an advertisement for the club. Huge part of the attraction is the heritage stand

just stop

 

[tony__montana]

Ok I'll shut up now but it's not 'just an old grandstand ', it's over 100 years of history and an iconic Melbourne landmark.
Essendon, Collingwood and Fitzroy kept their grandstands.

and they all moved, perhaps we’ll do the same

 

[acr2751]

Go underground and acquire more surrounding land.

You think Flinders station should have been demolished? Lol

yes i do
i would have MAYBE kept the facade if it was possible
as long as we got the first class facility we need DESERVE
we can put photos inside the new building to show the history for those that care

 

[SpareTowel]

just stop

The club admit the location is absolutely crucial. Many thousands of commuters every day reminded of one club only: Richmond. I doubt a heritage stand will scare them away

 

[SpareTowel]

yes i do
i would have MAYBE kept the facade if it was possible
as long as we got the first class facility we need DESERVE
we can put photos inside the new building to show the history for those that care

Flinders station is the closest thing Melbourne has to a Sydney Opera House. A symbol of the city. If you don't see the immense value in that, then I don't know what else to say

 

[DickieKnee]

Ok I'll shut up now but it's not 'just an old grandstand ', it's over 100 years of history and an iconic Melbourne landmark.
Essendon, Collingwood and Fitzroy kept their grandstands.

Bombers still use Windy Hill for VFL and cricket plus they built a purpose built training facility 10 minutes up the road. Where are we going to be able to build 10 minutes from the MCG?

 

[tony__montana]

The club admit the location is absolutely crucial. Many thousands of commuters every day reminded of one club only: Richmond. I doubt a heritage stand will scare them away

It will if it makes our plans moving forward unsustainable. We can’t expand outwards the land we have is where it ends and unfortunately where the stand is situated makes it impossible to expand in a commercially viable way. Victoria Park was the pies spiritual home, they didn’t hesitate to move when they realised they had outgrown the place - we’ll do the same

 

[acr2751]

Flinders station is the closest thing Melbourne has to a Sydney Opera House. A symbol of the city. If you don't see the immense value in that, then I don't know what else to say

who cares if the building is unable to be used

 

[SpareTowel]

who cares if the building is unable to be used

"i haven't been feeding my pet dog, and now it's underweight. i guess the only option now is to put it down lmao"

 

[acr2751]

"i haven't been feeding my pet dog, and now it's underweight. i guess the only option now is to put it down lmao"

get a new dog

 

[Punt rd end]

The club admit the location is absolutely crucial. Many thousands of commuters every day reminded of one club only: Richmond. I doubt a heritage stand will scare them away

I have photos of my grandfather in the RFC team sitting in front of that stand so I understand the heritage value but if it is not usable and is a detriment to the club staying at PRO I know what his thoughts would be.

 

[HTT]

Ok I'll shut up now but it's not 'just an old grandstand ', it's over 100 years of history and an iconic Melbourne landmark.
Essendon, Collingwood and Fitzroy kept their grandstands.

Yes they did - but their grandstands didn’t keep them

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Yes they did - but their grandstands didn’t keep them

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