News Jack Dyer Stand -Demolition Has Begun

[Groupie_]

Out of site is good

yeah but they should put it directly over the ground so you can drive up and watch training/vfl games from your car

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Don’t get him started he’ll bang on with his pipe dream of extending the ground on Brunton avenue

I don't apologise for trying to come up with ideas that would allow our club to expand AND hold on to its history, I remain convinced we can have our cake and eat it too, and a great club would aspire to do that.

But more than anything in this thread, I have simply continued to post the fact that the distance from Richmond station to the MCG turf, and the distance from Richmond station to the PRO turf near Punt Road are equivalent.

And if the MCG can fit 'The Great Southern Stand' in that space, we can quite easily fit a narrower footprint, boutique stand in there.

There is nothing 'pipe dream' about it really. There is actually lots of space at the corner of Brunton and Punt road, it is just not efficiently used currently, mostly because ticketing technology has changed and the ticketing booths outside Richmond station are now redundant. Remove those booths, run Brunton avenue directly along Richmond station, there is loads of space.

All very mundane.

 

[Muddiemoose]

I don't apologise for trying to come up with ideas that would allow our club to expand AND hold on to its history, I remain convinced we can have our cake and eat it too, and a great club would aspire to do that.

But more than anything in this thread, I have simply continued to post the fact that the distance from Richmond station to the MCG turf, and the distance from Richmond station to the PRO turf near Punt Road are equivalent.

And if the MCG can fit 'The Great Southern Stand' in that space, we can quite easily fit a narrower footprint, boutique stand in there.

There is nothing 'pipe dream' about it really. There is actually lots of space at the corner of Brunton and Punt road, it is just not efficiently used currently, mostly because ticketing technology has changed and the ticketing booths outside Richmond station are now redundant. Remove those booths, run Brunton avenue directly along Richmond station, there is loads of space.

All very mundane.

Easy to say but extremely difficult if not impossible to accomplish, with multiple parts of the land zoned differently and controlled by different governing bodies & with different priority’s
Also extremely expensive to & disruptive undertake and that’s before we even know what type of infrastructure is under the ground and would be affected and needed to be moved further complicating matters and increasing costs

Will probably have heritage victoria jumping up in arms about the removal of the old ticketing booths as well due to the historical importance

 

[Punt rd end]

I don't apologise for trying to come up with ideas that would allow our club to expand AND hold on to its history, I remain convinced we can have our cake and eat it too, and a great club would aspire to do that.

But more than anything in this thread, I have simply continued to post the fact that the distance from Richmond station to the MCG turf, and the distance from Richmond station to the PRO turf near Punt Road are equivalent.

And if the MCG can fit 'The Great Southern Stand' in that space, we can quite easily fit a narrower footprint, boutique stand in there.

There is nothing 'pipe dream' about it really. There is actually lots of space at the corner of Brunton and Punt road, it is just not efficiently used currently, mostly because ticketing technology has changed and the ticketing booths outside Richmond station are now redundant. Remove those booths, run Brunton avenue directly along Richmond station, there is loads of space.

All very mundane.

How does that address the re sizing of the oval

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Easy to say but extremely difficult if not impossible to accomplish, with multiple parts of the land zoned differently and controlled by different governing bodies & with different priority’s
Also extremely expensive to & disruptive undertake and that’s before we even know what type of infrastructure is under the ground and would be affected and needed to be moved further complicating matters and increasing costs

Will probably have heritage victoria jumping up in arms about the removal of the old ticketing booths as well due to the historical importance

Haha yes! ‘Preserving a previous form of ticketing culture’, that’s not impossible, but I don’t think anyone would die in a ditch for that booth and portico.

But otherwise it’s an extremely cheap and simple alternative, and indeed was central to RFC and Benny Gale’s 2016 plan for the precinct, they wanted to build a stand at the corner of Brenton and punt roads, and even have a fan zone between there and the station.

They wanted it tied up with a Richmond station re-development, which is where the pipe dreams do come in to play.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Watching the afc Wrexham doco - very sad to think about the history of punt road being torn down.

Old stadiums have magic to them

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Watching the afc Wrexham doco - very sad to think about the history of punt road being torn down.

Old stadiums have magic to them

The magic is a lot more powerful when it's utilised and creates atmosphere around the ground.

If the stand was a stadium we probably would be having very different discussions because there would be real estate to work with.

The magic comes mostly from the fans and atmosphere not the actual building's existence.

New stadiums arent the problem with franchise clubs. The lack of fans and culture are the problem.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

How does that address the re sizing of the oval

It doesn’t. And in my view, no plan should ever do that.

We don’t need two MCGs next to each other in suburban Richmond, that would be totally irresponsible use of land in that precinct.

‘Punt road needs to be a replica of the MCG’

And

‘If we don’t bulldoze the JDS the RFC will to leave the precinct’

Are the two great fallacies perpetuated in this debate.

 

[Punt rd end]

It doesn’t. And in my view, no plan should ever do that.

We don’t need two MCGs next to each other in suburban Richmond, that would be totally irresponsible use of land in that precinct.

‘Punt road needs to be a replica of the MCG’

And

‘If we don’t bulldoze the JDS the RFC will to leave the precinct’

Are the two great fallacies perpetuated in this debate.

Well you have your view which is wrong IMO about training ground sizes and the club shares my view

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Well you have your view which is wrong IMO about training ground sizes and the club shares my view

well yes, funny that, our footy club and its fans want an MCG training ground 200 m from the MCG?!
well you could blow me down with a feather!

but of course the precinct doesn't just belong to RFC fans.

taking all of the Yarra Park's stake holders into account, it is simply way OTT.

I've said before, talk about first-world problems, not getting to have an exact replica of one of the world's premier sporting arenas, 200 m metres from said arena, in an inner suburb of a city of millions. (And might I add, in a suburb (Richmond) that is famously lacking in parkland compared to almost any other suburb in Melbourne, due to planning decisions by some rather 'colourful' local council figures back in the early days of Melbourne.)

If that is RFC's biggest issue, we must be flying!

 

[Heisenberg_]

well yes, funny that, our footy club and its fans want an MCG training ground 200 m from the MCG?!
well you could blow me down with a feather!

but of course the precinct doesn't just belong to RFC fans.

taking all of the Yarra Park's stake holders into account, it is simply way OTT.

I've said before, talk about first-world problems, not getting to have an exact replica of one of the world's premier sporting arenas, 200 m metres from said arena, in an inner suburb of a city of millions. (And might I add, in a suburb (Richmond) that is famously lacking in parkland compared to almost any other suburb in Melbourne, due to planning decisions by some rather 'colourful' local council figures back in the early days of Melbourne.)

If that is RFC's biggest issue, we must be flying!

Can we train on the MCG?

 

[Punt rd end]

well yes, funny that, our footy club and its fans want an MCG training ground 200 m from the MCG?!
well you could blow me down with a feather!

but of course the precinct doesn't just belong to RFC fans.

taking all of the Yarra Park's stake holders into account, it is simply way OTT.

I've said before, talk about first-world problems, not getting to have an exact replica of one of the world's premier sporting arenas, 200 m metres from said arena, in an inner suburb of a city of millions. (And might I add, in a suburb (Richmond) that is famously lacking in parkland compared to almost any other suburb in Melbourne, due to planning decisions by some rather 'colourful' local council figures back in the early days of Melbourne.)

If that is RFC's biggest issue, we must be flying!

You want to build ANOTHER large stand ffs, hypocrite!!

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

well yes, funny that, our footy club and its fans want an MCG training ground 200 m from the MCG?!
well you could blow me down with a feather!

but of course the precinct doesn't just belong to RFC fans.

taking all of the Yarra Park's stake holders into account, it is simply way OTT.

I've said before, talk about first-world problems, not getting to have an exact replica of one of the world's premier sporting arenas, 200 m metres from said arena, in an inner suburb of a city of millions. (And might I add, in a suburb (Richmond) that is famously lacking in parkland compared to almost any other suburb in Melbourne, due to planning decisions by some rather 'colourful' local council figures back in the early days of Melbourne.)

If that is RFC's biggest issue, we must be flying!

Is it actually lacking in parkland? If there's one thing I've never felt in any inner suburb in east Melbourne it's a lack of parks... The west feels considerably less full of green space.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If there's some campaigner on the news tied to the stand in protest when the bulldozers roll in we'll know who it is

 

[tigerfan1961]

It doesn’t. And in my view, no plan should ever do that.

We don’t need two MCGs next to each other in suburban Richmond, that would be totally irresponsible use of land in that precinct.

‘Punt road needs to be a replica of the MCG’

And

‘If we don’t bulldoze the JDS the RFC will to leave the precinct’

Are the two great fallacies perpetuated in this debate.

The whole thing comes down to logistics and economics. Clearly, the stand being demolished is what makes the redevelopment viable. Otherwise, cost prohibitive.
I’m certain the club would keep the stand if there was an economically viable way of doing so whilst gaining all of the facilities required for the club to function into the future.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

You want to build ANOTHER large stand ffs, hypocrite!!

huh? Calm down.

Within the current confines of PRO, yes, I'm keen for another stadium, we need it to expand our club. Just don't want to lose JDS for it.

anyway, this is all hypothetical now, sadly the decision has been made.

was listening to Tadgh Kenneally on the radio earlier, he was saying how much better SCG is than Telstra Stadium(?) where the Swans occasionally played.

The reason?

He said shiny new facilities are great, but he found them soul-less, and he much preferred the old rooms with the history and tradition at the SCG.

 

[beema limapep]

Just get rid of it!

 

[Profop]

huh? Calm down.

Within the current confines of PRO, yes, I'm keen for another stadium, we need it to expand our club. Just don't want to lose JDS for it.

anyway, this is all hypothetical now, sadly the decision has been made.

was listening to Tadgh Kenneally on the radio earlier, he was saying how much better SCG is than Telstra Stadium(?) where the Swans occasionally played.

The reason?

He said shiny new facilities are great, but he found them soul-less, and he much preferred the old rooms with the history and tradition at the SCG.

But there are no facilities in the Jack Dyer Stand. You’re not even allowed in there

 

[PetterdHoisted]

But there are no facilities in the Jack Dyer Stand. You’re not even allowed in there

the same was the case for the old stand at the Lakeside oval, same era, now it is renovated and has become the high performance HQ of the AIS.

Of course it could have been fixed up, just needed the will.

c'est la vie

 

[ryza87]

Has that shit heap eye sore near Richmond station been knocked down yet

 

[Underarm]

the same was the case for the old stand at the Lakeside oval, same era, now it is renovated and has become the high performance HQ of the AIS.

Of course it could have been fixed up, just needed the will.

And where are south Melbourne?

 

[Tigers Time]

If I’m not mistaken the JDS has asbestos, so whether we were knocking it down or renovating it the cost of removing the asbestos will already be a massive expense. There is also no telling what would actually be left after the removal and that’s not even including any damaged beams ect.

Odds on the bricks, seats and fret work might be the only viable stuff left, all of which depending on cost could be reused in the new build (especially the bricks).

I honestly can’t see how we could keep it and still get all we need/want. IMO knock it down but save what could be reused if cost permits.

Maybe they could do a ‘buy a brick’ thing where the money goes to help with the cost of making the old bricks usable for the new build

 

[RogerDean]

If I’m not mistaken the JDS has asbestos, so whether we were knocking it down or renovating it the cost of removing the asbestos will already be a massive expense. There is also no telling what would actually be left after the removal and that’s not even including any damaged beams ect.

Odds on the bricks, seats and fret work might be the only viable stuff left, all of which depending on cost could be reused in the new build (especially the bricks).

I honestly can’t see how we could keep it and still get all we need/want. IMO knock it down but save what could be reused if cost permits.

Maybe they could do a ‘buy a brick’ thing where the money goes to help with the cost of making the old bricks usable for the new build

They did have a 'buy a brick' scheme...to renovate the stand!!!! Looks like they didnt get round to using the money on it.

 

[mauricerioli]

They did have a 'buy a brick' scheme...to renovate the stand!!!! Looks like they didnt get round to using the money on it.

They`ve spent millions over the years renovating and restoring the stand, they spent $1.2 million on it in 1996.

And even after spending all that money it`s still falling apart and has been condemned.

The best we can do is save some of the historic parts of it and incorporate it into the new facility, which is what they`re doing.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

huh? Calm down.

Within the current confines of PRO, yes, I'm keen for another stadium, we need it to expand our club. Just don't want to lose JDS for it.

anyway, this is all hypothetical now, sadly the decision has been made.

was listening to Tadgh Kenneally on the radio earlier, he was saying how much better SCG is than Telstra Stadium(?) where the Swans occasionally played.

The reason?

He said shiny new facilities are great, but he found them soul-less, and he much preferred the old rooms with the history and tradition at the SCG.

He’s over selling it. Accor wasn’t designed for afl and was always a bad fit. Having been there a few times this year, I can honestly say, it’s not fit for sport viewing. It’s the worst stadium in the country, and not fit for purpose.

Any stadium would be made to look better when compared to this lemon.


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