Jack Ginnivan - Redemption arc

[RCAB]

The weird part is Ginnivan’s actual output versus his cockiness.

You’d think he was Akermanis based on his trash talk but he averaged just over a goal a game this year and never kicked more than two. He’s just an ok forward.

You weren't at the G last week? Shame

 

[Andrew Mc]

I'm sure Jack Ginnivan couldn't care less.

Agreed. He took the spray from Hinkley with a smile. It was over at that point until Sicily decided to carry on like a pork chop instead of carrying Breust.

 

[deck]

He took the spray from Hinkley with a smile. It was over at that point until Sicily decided to carry on like a pork chop instead of carrying Breust.

It's what Ginni hasn't quite learnt yet. While he maybe able to walk away and cop his medicine. He's Coach and Captain clearly couldn't. And that is the consequence you have to take into account when you play a team sport. Your actions just don't effect yourself.

 

[Foucault1989]

Things I have learnt since last night:

• Beware of swimming in the deep end if you're afraid of sharks.
• Ken Hinkley is there for his boys.
• Hawthorn media personalities have glass jaws.

 

[Anja_Nees]

You weren't at the G last week? Shame

Sure I was.

And Ginnivan, an ok forward, had 15 possessions and a goal in a game where his team dominated for three quarters.

“See you in 14 days”.

 

[RCAB]

Sure I was.

And Ginnivan, an ok forward, had 15 possessions and a goal in a game where his team dominated for three quarters.

“See you in 14 days”.

I guess you weren't there otherwise you would've seen Ginni play. Unlucky

 

[Romeoh1]

Yeah i get that-youre a good person with a lot of things.
Look i get that ken was heat of the moment and he probably didnt think but hes very very lucky it didnt escalate further.
I was at a junior footy game a few years ago (lucky the kids were home with my mum) where a coach did almost exactly what ken did (virtual copy) and one of the players on the other team reacted like sicily. Then one of the coaches players reacted and punched someone and it ended up in an all in brawl where parents were running crying kids to their cars to keep them safe and people were getting hit while waiting for the police to get there. So i know exactly how it can go.
I talk to a lot of parents where i live who love footy themselves but wont let their kids go to country games and this is the exact reason why.
And its a much bigger problem for the league than it realises (the affect on junior participation and promoting the game etc). And the league should be coming down on it way harder than it does.

Weve got people getting 2 week suspensions for accidental head contact but we dont have the stomach to give 20 week suspensions for actions that we dont want to see repeated in juniors and might start a riot.
The afl has its priorities all wrong.

Yep- ok- fair enough- I can see that there are problems and that it can get out of hand - I don’t really see those junior comps anymore so you understand that issue more than me perhaps. So it’s a perspective worth hearing even if we don’t see eye to eye on this.

 

[Cleavy]

redemption going to the ARC score review and getting overturned...

 

[MF]

Ironically the 21 year old who Mitchell and co defended as a 'very young man' has actually shown more maturity about the whole thing than any of Sicily, Hodge, Lewis, or even Mitchell himself.

Agreed. Props to Ginnivan for taking it on the chin.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I guess you weren't there otherwise you would've seen Ginni play. Unlucky

I’m happy for you that you’re so easily impressed.

 

[RonnieRaven]

When is the last time a coach gave an opposition player a spray post game?

I can remember John Worsfold as a player giving it to Mick McGuane in the 90s for dropping a chest mark that might have won the game. Wasn't a coach then though. Clarkson had to be held back from taking on Matty Lloyd after he KO'd Brad Sewell on field.

Maybe Sheedy too, but that was during the game. Those are the only time I can recall seeing anything of note.

Even the most unsociable Hawks let the game be over after the siren. They let the footy do their talking. If you don't, how are you any different to the bloke you're going after for making the comments?

Coaches are supposed to be a level above this stuff. What next, Hinkley takes to the gram to get in his Ginnivan's face?

The guy is probably not going to have a job before his plane lands next weekend. Not exactly a legacy he'd want to be leaving I would have thought.

All the plonkers who haven't noticed the game is over when it's over in professional sport are kind of outing themselves here.

Clarkson gave the saint boys a bake this year

 

[Xtreme]

JG should be a lock for young Australian of the year.

He's able to unite all Australians.

 

[Pistol Night]

JG should be a lock for young Australian of the year.

He's able to unite all Australians.

Oh now you want to give him a nomination hey.

 

[The 747]

Good on him, he's had a very good year on the field. Learned to not constantly go to ground playing for the free and instead started using his football brain and talent.

The theatre - does anyone really care? It really wasn't that obnoxious.

 

[Roogene]

Yep, absolute thugs and flogs back in the day. Shoes on the other foot and they're exposed as the sooks that they are. Loving every minute of it.

Too many Hawthorn flogs in the media.

They cover and barrack for them excpet for the Chief. Hodge and Lewis should be sent to the tip (Dingley) and never return.,

 

[buddy2fernando]

What’s stranger than Ken getting so worked up over a harmless instagram comment between friends is the general consensus of neutral fans supporting Kens embarrassing and tasteless behaviour last night.

 

[peternorth]

Out of interest, did you, and other Hawk fans, think he was great for the game in 2022 and 2023?

The answer is probably

 

[RCAB]

I’m happy for you that you’re so easily impressed.

Not really, I've seen nearly 10 premierships without umpiring helping us once.

 

[Goosecat]

 

[Goosecat]

Why letting Clarko off for boundary blow-up was right - it's time to start treating coaches like humans​

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/06/04/why-letting-clarko-off-for-boundary-blow-up-was-right-its-time-to-start-treating-coaches-like-humans/

 

[cj26ben]

Yeah i get that-youre a good person with a lot of things.
Look i get that ken was heat of the moment and he probably didnt think but hes very very lucky it didnt escalate further.
I was at a junior footy game a few years ago (lucky the kids were home with my mum) where a coach did almost exactly what ken did (virtual copy) and one of the players on the other team reacted like sicily. Then one of the coaches players reacted and punched someone and it ended up in an all in brawl where parents were running crying kids to their cars to keep them safe and people were getting hit while waiting for the police to get there. So i know exactly how it can go.
I talk to a lot of parents where i live who love footy themselves but wont let their kids go to country games and this is the exact reason why.
And its a much bigger problem for the league than it realises (the affect on junior participation and promoting the game etc). And the league should be coming down on it way harder than it does.

Weve got people getting 2 week suspensions for accidental head contact but we dont have the stomach to give 20 week suspensions for actions that we dont want to see repeated in juniors and might start a riot.
The afl has its priorities all wrong.

I'm a father that has had kids play junior footy and I've also coached junior footy. If you have kids at junior football throwing punches because of at comments I'm sorry but the afl and their sanctions are not to blame. It's the adults that are in these kids lives weather that is parents or coaches or whoever. I'm sick of death about hearing kids get all their actions from what they see on TV. Maybe, just maybe if these kids that are throwing punches were taught a better way of dealing with things as they grow up we wouldn't have the issues in Society we do. Maybe the adults should take some responsibility for their kids throwing punches because of a comment.

 

[cj26ben]

Thats not the point. Hinkley is supposed to be a role model who should know better. Frankly he should get a 12 week ban and if he ever does anything again a lifetime ban from the sport. But the afl is pissweak so it wont happen. When you see regular parent and crowd violence at local games you cant and shouldnt condone this crap. The last thing you want is our game ending up with the reputation for violence incitement that soccer does.

I'm sorry but why is the afl to blame for crowd violence at local footy? May the adults in these people's lives as they grow up should be accountable for not teaching these people not to be clowns

 

[Proud New Father of 3]

I'm a bit split on the Palpatine vs. Ginnivan run in.

On one hand, Ginni 100% deserves the serve. Acts like a flog too often and loves to be a smart ass. In such a close game you can easily make the argument giving the oppo motivation (even 0.1%) is dumb.

On the other hand, Hinkley is a bit of a coward for waiting till after the game to run his mouth. It's easy to be a big man when the result is decided, would have been better if he talked smack during the week, then I would have no issue with how he acted post-game.

I guess both can be true.

 

[Pistol Night]

What’s stranger than Ken getting so worked up over a harmless instagram comment between friends is the general consensus of neutral fans supporting Kens embarrassing and tasteless behaviour last night.

I think the consensus swung in Kens favour when Mitchell and co had a huge sook afterwards

 

[RCAB]

I think the consensus swung in Kens favour when Mitchell and co had a huge sook afterwards

We've heard it 200 times from you now and you're wrong