Traded Jack Ginnivan [Traded with #39, F2 & F4 to Hawthorn for #33, F2 & F3]

[The 747]

St Kilda just got a end of 1st round pick for For Gresham there similar level players

Not really, Gresham is an AFL player with some question marks.

There are questions marks on whether Ginnivan will make it as an AFL player.

 

[Matrix10]

Dan Butler was about 4 yrs older

Yep , who had reached his ceiling. Ginni has a higher ceiling , the question thou , is he prepared to knuckle down and train his ass off ?

 

[hawkman]

Yep , who had reached his ceiling. Ginni has a higher ceiling , the question thou , is he prepared to knuckle down and train his arse off ?

There would be questions as to whether last year was his ceiling. A bit like Stephenson's 1st season

 

[YeoShuey]

Do Collingwood want him?

If so, keep.
If not, do a straight trade for Billings. Simple really.

 

[Matrix10]

There would be questions as to whether last year was his ceiling. A bit like Stephenson's 1st season

And the reason why Stephenson fell off the cliff was due to his immature brain and mindset , lack of discipline and not prepared to put in the hard yards , thought his natural talent was enough to get him through, which he had plenty of by the way , naturally gifted footballing talents. Ginnivan shares these same traits , albeit not on the same talent level as Stepho

 

[LordLucifer]

I'd have him at the Blues if I could be assured he wouldn't get into trouble off the field.

 

[RuFiO]

There would be questions as to whether last year was his ceiling. A bit like Stephenson's 1st season

The only reason last year wouldn't be his ceiling is if he gets paid all the frees he ducks for at another team.
Because that's the only way he can manage to get the ball properly to score since he's the slowest player in the comp along with Lipinski.

 

[YeoShuey]

I'd have him at the Blues if I could be assured he wouldn't get into trouble off the field.

I'd rather BZT but seems he is set to go to Port.

 

[hawkman]

The only reason last year wouldn't be his ceiling is if he gets paid all the frees he ducks for at another team.
Because that's the only way he can manage to get the ball properly to score since he's the slowest player in the comp along with Lipinski.

F4 then it is

 

[Wolff]

Now that he has taught Daicos how to duck into tackles his value to the club has diminished significantly. Late second rounder at most.

 

[RuFiO]

F4 then it is

It's Collingwood mate.
Since we get screwed in every trade, we probably have to give you our 1st rounder.

 

[Matrix10]

It's Collingwood mate.
Since we get screwed in every trade, we probably have to give you our 1st rounder.

I’m hearing you RuF. ain’t that so true. Only Collingwood pay maximum trading tax

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Graham Wright seems like one of the more reasonable list managers going around.

I wouldn't expect Hawthorn to give up anything significant for Ginnivan tbh

 

[TimothyJ23]

Turns out his management didn't do shit. Might not be going anywhere after all.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

But he is the king w***er of all the w***ers in the world.

Sicily is the king. He can be the Prince.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

I think Ginnivan may be too stupid to make it as a footballer which is saying something. Recently on Mitchell's podcast he talked about believing in crackpot conspiracy theories like aliens building the pyramids , that's the level of intellect we are dealing with .

If he had the professionalism and level headedness of Pendlebury he'd make it as an AFL footballer despite his physical limitations because he is very talented . However his professionalism and intellect seems more akin to Jaidan Stephenson and similarly he will waste his talent .

Maybe we convinced him that the aliens would get our new Dingley HQ up and running.

 

[Chronz]

Now that he has taught Daicos how to duck into tackles his value to the club has diminished significantly. Late second rounder at most.

Handy goal assists to lock in the flag. Feels good man.

 

[Spook]

I think Ginnivan may be too stupid to make it as a footballer which is saying something. Recently on Mitchell's podcast he talked about believing in crackpot conspiracy theories like aliens building the pyramids , that's the level of intellect we are dealing with .

If he had the professionalism and level headedness of Pendlebury he'd make it as an AFL footballer despite his physical limitations because he is very talented . However his professionalism and intellect seems more akin to Jaidan Stephenson and similarly he will waste his talent .

Yep agreed, well said. There are cases where very talented young guys who are coached, mentored and steered well can be successful. I am sure Hawthorn have weighed up that risk, and considering the current state of our forwards group I be,I’ve it is a risk worth taking if there is nothing else available.

 

[Dundalis]

More than happy to keep him if he doesn't attract a 2nd round pick minimum (preferably future 2nd). I'm as critical of him as anyone, I think he's a one dimensional small forward, without much positional flexibility, and a pretty poor overall athlete. But his pure footy smarts in terms of being in the right place at the right time along with his goal sense is elite. Those latter traits are unteachable and aren't going anywhere, so at 20, he obviously has upside. But he has to be put in the right system and played in the correct role to have the type of success he had his second year, he's not gonna be particularly successful without that. If you are a side that can afford to accommodate that type of player in your forward line (someone who isn't gonna contribute much in terms of work rate, ball accumulation or forward pressure, but will consistently be in the right spot for goal opportunities), you are gonna get performances closer to his previous season than the most recent one. That type of output is arguably worth more than a second rounder (but I'd take a second given the other issues surrounding him on and off field)

 

[carndapies]

Might need to merge this thread with the West Coast Eagles pick 1 thread.

 

[Go Woods]

I'd have him at the Blues if I could be assured he wouldn't get into trouble off the field.

Don't think we would ever want to trade with the arch enemy.

 

[Danw0w]

Might not be playing ever again if the rumours are true

 

[stinga82]

Don't think we would ever want to trade with the arch enemy.

Dale Thomas play golf?

 

[Matrix10]

Don't think we would ever want to trade with the arch enemy.

Dale Thomas and Heath Scotland both say hi

 

[Gavin Excell]

Might not be playing ever again if the rumours are true

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