Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[Abomination]

It is more likely that Carlton get pick 1&2 than our players getting two year bans.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Why do people see that the initial investigation was thrown out (remember that?? We were cleared) that everyone persists with wanting two year bans.

It is more likely that Carlton get pick 1&2 than our players getting two year bans.

He hates Essendon.

 

[SpannaMan]

I don't think Essendon supporters who are suggesting that Saints should our first understand the Saints list - its the same situation that Gillo was in earlier in the season.

The saints used the 2011/12 drafts to clean out a lot of dead wood and bring in young players. These players now offer the Saints plenty of young depth players. What the Saints do not have is young, elite talent. The Saints need to add 3-4 elite young talents (i.e. top 10 draft picks) over the next few years to have a chance at building a list that could challenge for a premiership. This is why our first round picks are so much more valuable for us to use in the draft than in trading. Getting Essendon's 2nd or 3rd round picks back in the trade does not improve the situation because that will only increase the number of young, depth players on the list not deal with the issue of having too few young, elite talent. While getting Carlisle now would improve the Saints list next year, it will not give us a list capable of challenging for a premiership.

The only situation I can see the Saints using their first pick in a trade is if they got young, elite talent back in return. By this I mean a player like Kelly or a top 10 pick.

If the Saints are interested in Carlisle I expect them to put forward an offer centered around our 2nd round pick. If that is not accepted then Carlisle will not be a Saint. That is the Saints stated list management strategy and I do not see it being deviated from for a player like Carlisle.

 

[Yoda_]

I don't think Essendon supporters who are suggesting that Saints should our first understand the Saints list - its the same situation that Gillo was in earlier in the season.

The saints used the 2011/12 drafts to clean out a lot of dead wood and bring in young players. These players now offer the Saints plenty of young depth players. What the Saints do not have is young, elite talent. The Saints need to add 3-4 elite young talents (i.e. top 10 draft picks) over the next few years to have a chance at building a list that could challenge for a premiership. This is why our first round picks are so much more valuable for us to use in the draft than in trading. Getting Essendon's 2nd or 3rd round picks back in the trade does not improve the situation because that will only increase the number of young, depth players on the list not deal with the issue of having too few young, elite talent. While getting Carlisle now would improve the Saints list next year, it will not give us a list capable of challenging for a premiership.

The only situation I can see the Saints using their first pick in a trade is if they got young, elite talent back in return. By this I mean a player like Kelly or a top 10 pick.

If the Saints are interested in Carlisle I expect them to put forward an offer centered around our 2nd round pick. If that is not accepted then Carlisle will not be a Saint. That is the Saints stated list management strategy and I do not see it being deviated from for a player like Carlisle.

So, what your suggesting is we get bent over and give you "elite talent" and still allowing you to pick more "elite talent" in the shape of top picks whilst Essendon in seemingly the same rebuilding position as St.Kilda do not get the chance to pick up compensation for losing "elite talent"?

Nuh, you're right. We should bend over and give him away.

Adam Treloar also stated he loved the club and did t want to leave the Giants. Look how that turned around from what he has said in the past.

 

[SpannaMan]

So, what your suggesting is we get bent over and give you "elite talent" and still allowing you to pick more "elite talent" in the shape of top picks whilst Essendon in seemingly the same rebuilding position as St.Kilda do not get the chance to pick up compensation for losing "elite talent"?

Nuh, you're right. We should bend over and give him away.

Adam Treloar also stated he loved the club and did t want to leave the Giants. Look how that turned around from what he has said in the past.

I'm suggesting St. Kilda will not trade their first pick without another ~top 10 pick coming back in return.

That is the strategy the Saints have publicly stated they are following continuously over the past 2-3 years.

Last year GWS wanted a trade involving pick Jono O'Rourke and/or Kristian Jaksch with one of their early picks for our pick 1. It was not going to happen because it was not the Saints list strategy (last year the Saints were only interested in the top 3 picks and would not trade out of them, I expect there to be a similar discussion is being had now at the club). The club reiterated this again publicly after that trade period. We ended up missing out on those players to clubs who were willing to offer more. I fully expect the club to be willing to miss out again in an effort to continue following the stated list strategy.

 

[Blues_Man]

.They wouldn't dare, they know what they're cooking I'd say..

Yes we do ..shame your mob can't say the same

 

[Conor Mckenna]

Yes we do ..shame your mob can't say the same

oh well you got me there...
Congrats on the new cooking implement..
Now, on topic, would you consider swapping your second rounder this year and your first rounder next year?
Or do you think there is little hope of climbing the ladder?

 

[Conor Mckenna]

I'm suggesting St. Kilda will not trade their first pick without another ~top 10 pick coming back in return.

That is the strategy the Saints have publicly stated they are following continuously over the past 2-3 years.

Last year GWS wanted a trade involving pick Jono O'Rourke and/or Kristian Jaksch with one of their early picks for our pick 1. It was not going to happen because it was not the Saints list strategy (last year the Saints were only interested in the top 3 picks and would not trade out of them, I expect there to be a similar discussion is being had now at the club). The club reiterated this again publicly after that trade period. We ended up missing out on those players to clubs who were willing to offer more. I fully expect the club to be willing to miss out again in an effort to continue following the stated list strategy.

Would you consider pick 5 for Carlisle and 22?

 

[SpannaMan]

Would you consider pick 5 for Carlisle and 22?

Personally I think that is a very reasonable and 'fair trade' (I'm still not sure if I like that term). However it does not fit in with the Saints list strategy and I do not expect it would be a deal that St. Kilda would accept.

The only sort of 'downgrade' deal I can see the Saints accepting (that involves pick 5) would be if Essendon somehow managed to get hold of something like pick 8-10. Then I could see a trade like Pick 5 + ~23 for 9 and Carlisle happening. Objectively that trade hypothetical values Carlisle higher than the one you proposed but it also fits in with the Saints list strategy much better.

 

[Rack Watts]

The st Kilda scenario would be the best
The Geelong involvement next while the other 3 pretty similar.
In this years draft who would you really take in front of Carlisle?
Weitering yes
Schache yes
Francis yes
Mills yes
Hooper yes
For mine Carlisle is the sixth best player in the draft

Great post.

 

[Rack Watts]

Carlton's 2nd round pick will be the only one on offer. Can't think of any Carlton player to attach to the deal that would make either club happy.

Essendon players shouldn't warrant market value given the WADA factor. I hope he goes elsewhere.

Hilarious that you think anyone wants to go to your mob.
There will be teams VERY serious about Carlisle.

 

[TwentyNine]

Expect this one to go to the last minute of trade day as per usual with an Essendon deal.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Absolutely agree with you.

We've been poorly run for the last 15 years and its cost us on field big time.
I guess technically it remains to be seen whether we have our off-field stuff in order, but i think people can see we have identified the issues and are actively trying to put better modern systems and processes in place. Trigg seems to be driving it and Bolton is a good step in the right direction.

Hopefully players like Carlisle can see that and buy in, making us a somewhat attractive place to come and not quite the basket case finishing last would suggest.

I can see us possibly giving up our second round pick for Carlisle.

Most well thought out comment I have read here Re Carlisle. If he chooses Carlton (for reasons other than cash) then well done to your footy department.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Rance, Hurley, Taylor, McKenzie, Talia, McPharlin, McDonald, Thompson, McGovern, Johnson, May. There is 10.

You forgot Tarrant

 

[foj1]

I'm suggesting St. Kilda will not trade their first pick without another ~top 10 pick coming back in return.

That is the strategy the Saints have publicly stated they are following continuously over the past 2-3 years.

Last year GWS wanted a trade involving pick Jono O'Rourke and/or Kristian Jaksch with one of their early picks for our pick 1. It was not going to happen because it was not the Saints list strategy (last year the Saints were only interested in the top 3 picks and would not trade out of them, I expect there to be a similar discussion is being had now at the club). The club reiterated this again publicly after that trade period. We ended up missing out on those players to clubs who were willing to offer more. I fully expect the club to be willing to miss out again in an effort to continue following the stated list strategy.

Firstly Carlisle is a 23 year old elite talent who plays in a position which you do not have great strength in.
Secondly Carlisle has achieved far more than josh Kelly has albeit been in the league 3 years longer
Lastly like many on this board you are falling for the trap of overrating draft picks especially when the player on offer is a proven 198cm chb who should play for 8 more years at least.
In this draft I would only take weitering, schache, mills, hooper and Francis in front of Carlisle.
Please tell me which underage players that I have missed that you would prefer on the saints list instead of Carlisle.
This is a simple case on your behalf of not understanding this years talent pool and your clubs current list. If you were to use pick 6 in the draft you would probably obtain Charlie curnow or at a stretch Kieran Collins or Sam weideman. If you think those players are better sure things than Carlisle than fair enough. I would say you watch little to no tac footy if you come to that conclusion.

 

[foj1]

Personally I think that is a very reasonable and 'fair trade' (I'm still not sure if I like that term). However it does not fit in with the Saints list strategy and I do not expect it would be a deal that St. Kilda would accept.

The only sort of 'downgrade' deal I can see the Saints accepting (that involves pick 5) would be if Essendon somehow managed to get hold of something like pick 8-10. Then I could see a trade like Pick 5 + ~23 for 9 and Carlisle happening. Objectively that trade hypothetical values Carlisle higher than the one you proposed but it also fits in with the Saints list strategy much better.

You are trying to use the word strategy to screw Essendon mate.

 

[Red Bull]

Expect this one to go to the last minute of trade day as per usual with an Essendon deal.

Carlisle right now may well be happy with the security of knowing his new club , terms , and how he gets there .
It really is that simple if he wishes ...

 

[HBF]

Carlton has a 4 year deal with the option of another. Mark Stevens.

Hmmm Mark Stevens.

 

[bird_man]

Firstly Carlisle is a 23 year old elite talent who plays in a position which you do not have great strength in.
Secondly Carlisle has achieved far more than josh Kelly has albeit been in the league 3 years longer
Lastly like many on this board you are falling for the trap of overrating draft picks especially when the player on offer is a proven 198cm chb who should play for 8 more years at least.
In this draft I would only take weitering, schache, mills, hooper and Francis in front of Carlisle.
Please tell me which underage players that I have missed that you would prefer on the saints list instead of Carlisle.
This is a simple case on your behalf of not understanding this years talent pool and your clubs current list. If you were to use pick 6 in the draft you would probably obtain Charlie curnow or at a stretch Kieran Collins or Sam weideman. If you think those players are better sure things than Carlisle than fair enough. I would say you watch little to no tac footy if you come to that conclusion.

Saints are very keen to get either Parish or Matheison. A class midfielder is a higher priority than a tall defender at the moment. If it means we miss Carslile then I'd say the club will let him go.

I think you are falling for the trap of overrating a player you are trading out. What exactly has he done to deserve a top 5 pick? 2/3's of a good season two years ago? He is a really good talent but is a bit of a risk IMO.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Expect this one to go to the last minute of trade day as per usual with an Essendon deal.

Yeah, this.

 

[BLA60]

Saints are very keen to get either Parish or Matheison. A class midfielder is a higher priority than a tall defender at the moment. If it means we miss Carslile then I'd say the club will let him go.

I think you are falling for the trap of overrating a player you are trading out. What exactly has he done to deserve a top 5 pick? 2/3's of a good season two years ago? He is a really good talent but is a bit of a risk IMO.

If Parish is still available at our pick before the saints. Kiss him goodbye and watch him don a red sash

 

[bird_man]

If Parish is still available at our pick before the saints. Kiss him goodbye and watch him don a red sash

That's fine, then we will take Matheison like I said.

 

[SABlue]

As the draft order stands right now, I can't see the blues or saints giving up there 1st picks. They'll offer their 2nd round picks because that's all they'll have to offer not to screw Essendon over but because they are rebuilding. North and Hawthorn will offer their first rounds no doubt. Essendon will want Carlisle to select them but the blues and saints will offer the more money. That's how I see it playing out

 

[go_the_dockers]

As he has not nominated a club I think he is going to the a team in the finals.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

As he has not nominated a club I think he is going to the a team in the finals.

The Dogs ya reckon