Coach James Hird - is it time to give him a second chance at coaching an AFL club? Gil says yes!

[Shane Heard]

That all you got?

I got a spare ticket ..you wanna tag along ?

 

[matthew_s]

I got a spare ticket ..you wanna tag along ?View attachment 1491996

No duffel coat, no entry

 

[HairyO]

I think Hird could come in as an Assistant. Was one of the best all time players. Made a mistake. Essendon could do worse than invite him back in an Assistant coaching capacity.

Use Lewis and Walls to find someone to be coach. Club selects Hird as an assistant.

After 2 years knife the coach and Hird takes over.

Or just offer Lewis and Walls a huge pile of cash to choose Hird.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

If what James Hird did doesn’t warrant a lifetime ban, what does?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Failed in his duty of care. Like Pyke, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a kid again.

I agree that Pyke (and Burton) completely ****ed up with the camp. And that means they have a cross to bear, deserve time out and need to rebuild trust.

but don’t for one second put them in the category of Hird. Masterminding and overseeing a systematic doping programme means Hird does not deserve any chance at redemption.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Failed Coach turned tragic Coach king maker Tim Watson has backed up and is more or less calling for Hird's appointment as a coach.

When Gary Lyon pointed to Voss having gone and done the hard yards Watson came up with confected nonsense about his overseas travels and abilities to connect with players.

Well that bit is true. Hird can persuade players to the point of having unknown substances injected into their arms. What a leader!

 

[RichLeMonde]

I agree that Pyke (and Burton) completely *ed up with the camp. And that means they have a cross to bear, deserve time out and need to rebuild trust.

but don’t for one second put them in the category of Hird. Masterminding and overseeing a systematic doping programme means Hird does not deserve any chance at redemption.

There are 2 parts to what Hird did:

• cheating in a sports competition
• harming (or risking harming) young men in his care.

I would say the second is actually much more important and much worse than the first.

What Pyke and Burtin did with the camp was not attempting to cheat, but it did harm young men in their care. So it wasn’t as bad as what went on at the bombers, but it was similar in the most important respect. Although to be fair to Pyke, it sounds like his judgment was off in that crazy environment for the couple of days of the camp, whereas Hird made terribly unethical decisions in a cold, calculating way for months.

 

[Gough]

If James Hird was a Chinese swimming coach I don't think we'd be hearing any calls for his redemption.

 

[Obeanie1]

I agree that Pyke (and Burton) completely *ed up with the camp. And that means they have a cross to bear, deserve time out and need to rebuild trust.

but don’t for one second put them in the category of Hird. Masterminding and overseeing a systematic doping programme means Hird does not deserve any chance at redemption.

Pike has shown maturity, remorse and appologised more than once.

IMO he will coach again at the top level. Eagles in 2024 at the earliest.

 

[Ginnieboy]

What happens when a potential draftee’s Mummy says to the AFL she doesn’t want little Johnny playing under Hird? That would be game over.

 

[boncer34]

If James Hird was a Chinese swimming coach I don't think we'd be hearing any calls for his redemption.

If Shayna Jack was a Russian swimmer her comeback "redemption" story would be told differently by our media.

Not sure Australian hypocrisy to doping is a strong argument against him getting another gig.

 

[Chief]

How is "a Russian swimmer" the same as a whole AFL club with a $80 mil turnover?

 

[boncer34]

How is "a Russian swimmer" the same as a whole AFL club with a $80 mil turnover?

Who said it was?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I got a spare ticket ..you wanna tag along ?View attachment 1491996

Do you get a MEGA cap on entry?

 

[Pistol Night]

Do you get a MEGA cap on entry?

Bomber Thompson going so joint will be lit

 

[Hamingja]

If James Hird was a Chinese swimming coach I don't think we'd be hearing any calls for his redemption.

The weapon - is it time to give him a second chance at strength and conditioning at an AFL club?

 

[boncer34]

The weapon - is it time to give him a second chance at strength and conditioning at an AFL club?

Didn't Essendon give him his 2nd chance after his stellar work at Geelong?

 

[Hamingja]

Didn't Essendon give him his 2nd chance after his stellar work at Geelong?

Yeah unfortunately he just ran into the wrong crowd in Hirdy and his old mate Shane Charters. Free the weapon.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Yeah unfortunately he just ran into the wrong crowd in Hirdy and his old mate Shane Charters. Free the weapon.

Get the old gang back! Calling Stephen Dank.

 

[Chief]

Yep - enough time has passed.

#freedank

 

[Del191229]

James Hird living rent free in peoples heads since 2013

Hird's lived in my head lots longer than that mate. He's in the top 5 players I've ever seen play the game.

 

[Del191229]

Yep - enough time has passed.

#freedank

He lives around the corner from me and I see him at the shops regularly lol.

 

[Pistol Night]

Has he even proven he can coach?

 

[Del191229]

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Why haven't they included his Anzac and Crichton medals on there?

 

[Back One Out]

There is plenty being made of Hird getting a "second chance" as though he was turfed out by ASADA or the AFL. People seem to forget he served his 12 month suspension in 2014. Mark Thompson stepped up and coached the Bombers to 12 wins (7th place)

Hird got his "second chance" in 2015...

Rd 10... Geel 19.8 (122) d. Ess 7.11 (53)... Lost by 69... 4 wins, 6 losses
Rd 11... WCE 14.12 (96) d. Ess 6.10 (46)... Lost by 50... 4 wins, 7 losses
Rd 13... Haw 16.18 (114) d Ess 11.10 (76). Lost by 38... 4 wins, 8 losses
Rd 14... St K 25.12 (162) d Ess 8.4 (52)..... Lost by 110. 4 wins, 9 losses
Rd 15... Ess. 10.9 (69) ..d. Melb 7.18 (60).. Won by 9.... 5 wins, 9 losses
Rd 16... N.M 14.9 (93) ..d. Ess 9.14 (68).... Lost by 25... 5 wins, 10 losses
Rd 17... Port 20.9 (129) .d Ess 17.14 (116). Lost by 13... 5 wins, 11 losses
Rd 18... W.B 19.13 (127) d Ess 5.10 (40).... Lost by 87... 5 wins, 12 losses
Rd 19... GWS 14.9 (93) .d. Ess 8.13 (61).... Lost by 32... 5 wins, 13 losses
Rd 20... Adel 27.9 (171) .d Ess 8.11 (59).... Lost by 112. 5 wins, 14 losses


James Hird "resigned" after the 112 point shellacking by the Crows in Round 20. But in reality, Essendon gave Hird the boot after a string of poor performances. Then they allowed him the dignity of publicly resigning.

Who was the last club to part ways with their failed their coach, and then rehire them after sacking their next 2 coaches?
Perhaps Richmond in the 1980's with Tony Jewell... Except he won the flag in 1980 and was sacked after the Tigers finished 7th in 1981
I can't really think of anyone else.