MRP / Trib. James Sicily tackle on Hugh McCluggage

[citizen-erased]

That's exactly my point, are you happy for that to be next? The most exciting passage of play in Dees v Pies was the brutal collision between Hunter and Hosking-Elliot. No heads involved, but what if Hosking-Elliot was concussed when he hit the ground? Do you just accept Hunter should be penalised? The footy public has already been conditioned to accept that the bump is pretty much dead. Now it's tackling. Tomorrow it's the speccy or crashing a pack.

The physicality of football is being eroded so quickly. At least the vast majority here seem to be concerned what is happening to our game but how do we stop these MoROns from killing it altogether?

im neither happy or angry.

this is what it is.
you can either accept it, or stop watching AFL.

also, im pretty sure Hunter did cop a week not long ago for the same sort of incident, but he caught the head.
this time he didn't. facetious argument, but you could say it's working.

 

[citizen-erased]

F1 would be safer if they limited cars to 60km/h. Why don’t they do it?

they don't need to.
because they do other things.

AFL could be safer by banning tackles. But they don't need to. because they'll suspend players who execute and cause head knocks...like they did the bump.

 

[The Kipster]

You might have edited it but you're still a bigot

and you'd know? I have more tolerance than you, I don't get offended by words and feel that I have to have a cry, bleet and sook...just like the AFL, jam it.

 

[Maddo11]

F1 would be safer if they limited cars to 60km/h. Why don’t they do it?

For the same reason you're still allowed to tackle in the AFL....

 

[MarcMaverick]

Why are you or I here then genius

Because you hate AFL and love touch footy.

 

[Faz 2000]

they don't need to.
because they do other things.

AFL could be safer by banning tackles. But they don't need to. because they'll suspend players who execute and cause head knocks...like they did the bump.

I appreciate your response, but I fundamentally find it unsatisfying.

F1 is still dangerous, it’s just as safe as it can be whilst maintaining the core of what it is - extremely high-speed racing.

Footy will remain dangerous - MUST - if it maintains the core of what it is - a 360 degree contact sport where tackling is allowed. There is no safe way to tackle.

 

[Maddo11]

and you'd know? I have more tolerance than you, I don't get offended by words and feel that I have to have a cry, bleet and sook...just like the AFL, jam it.

AnD YoUd KnOw?

 

[citizen-erased]

Because that's the whole idea, many people who play the game will realise the risks that it comes with. There has likely been generational talents you would've never even known because they early on made the decision to not play the game.

People who play the game should and often do know the risks it attaches. Those suing the AFL are bizarre. It's the same thing with cricket. I play both and expect that injury is apart of it. If it isn't a dog act like Barry Hall punching me, and it's a football act. I can live with that. Because i signed up for it. Or cricket. If the ball hits me in the head, i often have a chance to get out of the way etc etc and there's no real time where i can put it on the bowler.

I expect it.

i don't agree.
Just because it's sport, the workplace laws still apply. If the laws change, then fine. but i doubt they will.

i posted earlier too. its not about being risk free either
the AFL knows the risks. It can't be idle otherwise they're culpable.
i don't agree or disagree. its just how it is.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

F1 is the pinnacle of car racing. a guy went through a barrier at about 250km/h, ripped his car in half and sat in a fireball for about a minute or two
the halo that some fans protested as looking ugly meant he's not dead.

This is what the AFL is doing. they don't want concussions. they don't spinal injuries. and they sure as s**t don't want anyone dying over a sport.

It won't kill the sport.
F1 is more popular than ever and crashes are far far far less prevalent or dangerous than 40 years ago.
the AFL more or less killed the bump. It is more popular now than ever.

i feel like im at work now, so forgive my well trotted out line. Yes, there is always risk, but it doesn't mean you can't always be trying to mitigate it.

So if they don’t want concussions, then by extension any act that risks this will inevitably be outlawed. They are that fearful of litigation that this is the only logical outcome.

So that will end the speccy and potentially other elements of the sport.

Is that what we want?

 

[Guardian Hawk]

F1 is the pinnacle of car racing. a guy went through a barrier at about 250km/h, ripped his car in half and sat in a fireball for about a minute or two
the halo that some fans protested as looking ugly meant he's not dead.

This is what the AFL is doing. they don't want concussions. they don't spinal injuries. and they sure as s**t don't want anyone dying over a sport.

It won't kill the sport.
F1 is more popular than ever and crashes are far far far less prevalent or dangerous than 40 years ago.
the AFL more or less killed the bump. It is more popular now than ever.

i feel like im at work now, so forgive my well trotted out line. Yes, there is always risk, but it doesn't mean you can't always be trying to mitigate it.

I actually agree with the overall sentiment and am glad punches, elbows and yes, high bumps are gone.

The problem is when players are doing what they are supposed to do or as they are instructed to do and a concussion happens and you still get big bans - ones that are bigger than crude bumps to the face.

Punishing the result doesn't eliminate the problem - you need to punish problematic actions.

 

[Maddo11]

I appreciate your response, but I fundamentally find it unsatisfying.

F1 is still dangerous, it’s just as safe as it can be whilst maintaining the core of what it is - extremely high-speed racing.

Footy will remain dangerous - MUST - if it maintains the core of what it is - a 360 degree contact sport where tackling is allowed. There is no safe way to tackle.

There were 121 tackles during the Hawthorn V Brisbane game. There are plenty of safe ways to tackle

 

[citizen-erased]

I appreciate your response, but I fundamentally find it unsatisfying.

F1 is still dangerous, it’s just as safe as it can be whilst maintaining the core of what it is - extremely high-speed racing.

Footy will remain dangerous - MUST - if it maintains the core of what it is - a 360 degree contact sport where tackling is allowed. There is no safe way to tackle.

none of this is satisfying really.

F1 safety is quite fascinating. i got to go to a seminar as part of risk management and how they manage it whilst maintaining the core of the spectacle is amazing.

disagree with the last line though. you can safely tackle. outside Carlton, there were tons of tackles this weekend. like most weekends.
the techniques are changing and the behaviours will (like the bump).
this will be a rough year. but you can already see tackling is different. it will never be risk free. but it can always be less risky

 

[Roby]

F1 is the pinnacle of car racing. a guy went through a barrier at about 250km/h, ripped his car in half and sat in a fireball for about a minute or two
the halo that some fans protested as looking ugly meant he's not dead.

This is what the AFL is doing. they don't want concussions. they don't spinal injuries. and they sure as s**t don't want anyone dying over a sport.

It won't kill the sport.
F1 is more popular than ever and crashes are far far far less prevalent or dangerous than 40 years ago.
the AFL more or less killed the bump. It is more popular now than ever.

i feel like im at work now, so forgive my well trotted out line. Yes, there is always risk, but it doesn't mean you can't always be trying to mitigate it.

Lol I used to watch F1 every week. It's become a snore fest. Best way to go to sleep at night.

 

[The Kipster]

There were 121 tackles during the Hawthorn V Brisbane game. There are plenty of safe ways to tackle

Oh what a insipid comment.

They have been instructed to tackle a certain way and that's what occurred. A tackle as per memo from the AFL.

 

[citizen-erased]

I actually agree with the overall sentiment and am glad punches, elbows and yes, high bumps are gone.

The problem is when players are doing what they are supposed to do or as they are instructed to do and a concussion happens and you still get big bans - ones that are bigger than crude bumps to the face.

Punishing the result doesn't eliminate the problem - you need to punish problematic actions.

agree 3 is stiff.
1-2 was my thinking.

Instruction will change though. this whole debate is almost carbon copy to bumping.
last line is good. but it's back to front in what the AFL are doing
by punishing the result, they're trying to eradicate the actions. will take time (and suspensions) but players will adjust.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

There were 121 tackles during the Hawthorn V Brisbane game. There are plenty of safe ways to tackle

Including the way Sicily tackled, which is the problem. There'd be 100 examples of tackles very similar to Sicilys where nothing happened at all.

He was not cited for a dangerous tackle, no Brisbane player remonstrated with him whatsoever and he pulled McCluggage down onto himself as instructed.

He was only brought before the MRO cos of the outcome. The tackle itself was a normal tackle that we see all the time with no issues.

 

[ForAllTheChocolates]

Geez I didn't expect 3 weeks, that's incredible.

I kind of feel for Sicily on this, about 12 odd pages back in this thread people pointed out the comment that he went to the Lions rooms later on and asked after Hugh. I also note that in the broadcast footage immediately after the tackle, he watches the ball go off toward his F50 and instead of immediately follow the play he's actually stopped and looked back down at McCluggage and then checked on him. He didn't just run off without a care in the world.

Unlike the umps.

But yeah I don't think there was any intent at all behind this tackle. I'm all for the league protecting players but this I still feel wasn't a situation where there's a "guilty" player in need of suspension. The end result was caused by several factors, but some of those weren't in Sciliy's control.

 

[citizen-erased]

Lol I used to watch F1 every week. It's become a snore fest. Best way to go to sleep at night.

its boring for other reasons. but thats another thread.
i hate F1 crashes. ruined 2021. ruined the Oz GP this year.

 

[Flog_Toolist]

Footy will remain dangerous - MUST - if it maintains the core of what it is - a 360 degree contact sport where tackling is allowed. There is no safe way to tackle.

Well said about it being a 360 degree contact sport. It's the only reason Blakey didn't see Butler coming and the lack of talk from his teammates.

I have copies of both Biffs, Bumps and Brawlers 1 and 2 but would never want to see footy regress to the bad old days of the sniper, where a player needed eyes in the back of their head.

What will the AFL do next? Introduce an offside rule like in rugby or soccer to minimize contact?

If they pull that b&*#sh!t, I'm out. No more AFL for me thanks.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

no CEO is going to play chicken with a brand worth what the AFL is.
especially when the alternative is what? some upset fans who said the same things when the bump was in the spotlight.

The alternative is you try to save the game rather than kill it which is what the afls dumb strategy will do. But they have both no moral fibre and no idea.

 

[MarcMaverick]

As soon as F1 cars started sounding very quiet I lost interest. I loved it when they sounded like mini fighter jets and they were so loud that in the Melb GP I could hear them from 50-100kms away.

 

[SSSSSS]

Next time Sis should just fly shoulder first into someones head and save himself the trouble.

Unbelievable how it's deemed a similar offense in terms of punishment to Kossie Pickett.

Absolutely ****ed.

 

[The Kipster]

agree 3 is stiff.
1-2 was my thinking.

Instruction will change though. this whole debate is almost carbon copy to bumping.
last line is good. but it's back to front in what the AFL are doing
by punishing the result, they're trying to eradicate the actions. will take time (and suspensions) but players will adjust.

and how boring is it to be?

Life is a risk, today's society and the future society in it's current trajectory will stay indoors, don't run walk, thumbs will grow as evolution with our smart phones and our eyes will be like possum eyes from using our screens all day.

The future is shite and I am glad that I grew up in a time where you could climb a tree jump off and experience adventure and not be controlled 24/7 like society is now.

The AFL control is BS.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Next time Sis should just fly shoulder first into someones head and save himself the trouble.

Unbelievable how it's deemed a similar offense in terms of punishment to Kossie Pickett.

Absolutely ****ed.

Worse. Kozzie Got 2. Sicily got 3.

Error. Does . Not. Compute

Make it make sense.

 

[citizen-erased]

So if they don’t want concussions, then by extension any act that risks this will inevitably be outlawed. They are that fearful of litigation that this is the only logical outcome.

So that will end the speccy and potentially other elements of the sport.

Is that what we want?

outlawed only to the extent whereby you cause the head injury.
Its the bump pattern all over again. AFL said go for your life. but injure the head and too bad.

It's the tackle now.
Speccy next? maybe

AFL doesn't want concussions. And it's the right sentiment. we fans have to get onboard.