January 26

[schneebly111]

You wouldn't know it from the speech that the Liberal government Minister for Veterans Affairs gave though.

Did it involve anything along the lines of the “diggers sacrificed their lives for our freedoms”?

I’d like to know how the Ottoman Turks were threatening Australia’s freedoms in 1915, but I can never get a clear answer out of those who push that line.

I like the words of the last sieving Gallipoli veteran Alec Campbell:

"For god's sake, don't glorify Gallipoli - it was a terrible fiasco, a total failure and best forgotten".

based around reminding you that although it is now part of our collective national mythology, at

Is it? Attendances at Anzac Ceremonies have fallen in recent years, from these numbers of count less than 2% of the population attends Anzac services:

Anzac Day dawn services plummet 70% over recent years

The fading relevance of past wars to younger, more diverse demographics is among the factors that explain a stark reduction in the number of Australians attending Anzac Day dawn services.

www.themandarin.com.au

It seems to be going the way of those who deck themselves out in patriot gear on Jan 26, probably a lot of overlap in both groups.

 

[Forward Press]

Did it involve anything along the lines of the “diggers sacrificed their lives for our freedoms”?

I’d like to know how the Ottoman Turks were threatening Australia’s freedoms in 1915, but I can never get a clear answer out of those who push that line.

I like the words of the last sieving Gallipoli veteran Alec Campbell:

"For god's sake, don't glorify Gallipoli - it was a terrible fiasco, a total failure and best forgotten".



Is it? Attendances at Anzac Ceremonies have fallen in recent years, from these numbers of count less than 2% of the population attends Anzac services:

Anzac Day dawn services plummet 70% over recent years

The fading relevance of past wars to younger, more diverse demographics is among the factors that explain a stark reduction in the number of Australians attending Anzac Day dawn services.

www.themandarin.com.au

It seems to be going the way of those who deck themselves out in patriot gear on Jan 26, probably a lot of overlap in both groups.

Precisely that speech.

Should have clarified this was the dawn service in Gallipoli itself, by the way. For obvious reasons the attendance for that is still quite high as it's perceived as a pilgrimage or rite of passage of sorts. From what I observed, it is definitely a more sombre and solemn occasion than you'd expect, no Aussie Aussie Aussie chants or flags worn as cloaks and definitely no debauchery or rowdiness.

And yes for sure dawn service attendance in Australia has trended downward.

 

[schneebly111]

Should have clarified this was the dawn service in Gallipoli itself, by the way. For obvious reasons the attendance for that is still quite high as it's perceived as a pilgrimage or rite of passage of sorts. Definitely dawn service attendance in Australia has trended downward.

Have a look at the numbers in the article. Attendance at the Gallipoli service fell 85% from 2015 to 2019. The 100 year anniversary didn’t spark a renewal. I think greater awareness of the failures of some of Australians recent wars has led to a downfall in attendance. Plus the associated decline in Jan 26 attendance, this isn’t the nation which it was 10 years ago.

 

[Forward Press]

Have a look at the numbers in the article. Attendance at the Gallipoli service fell 85% from 2015 to 2019. The 100 year anniversary didn’t spark a renewal. I think greater awareness of the failures of some of Australians recent wars

Ahh I see.

I was there in 2014 so also not surprised to be honest. Yeah I would think involvement in the Middle East has tempered enthusiasm for Anzac Day. It's natural, really - no WW1 veterans left, very few WW2, not many Korean, and the Vietnam ones will be the biggest representation but that was a hugely controversial war (to put it lightly).

 

[schneebly111]

Ahh I see.

I was there in 2014 so also not surprised to be honest. Yeah I would think involvement in the Middle East has tempered enthusiasm for Anzac Day. It's natural, really - no WW1 veterans left, very few WW2, not many Korean, and the Vietnam ones will be the biggest representation but that was a hugely controversial war (to put it lightly).

The last time I attended anything Anzac related was a parade some years back. Most attendees were cheering the tanks in the parade and the fighter jets overhead. It was like one of those North Korean parades. I went to the AWM and saw adverts for weapons manufacturers plastered all over the place. The message changed at some point from “war is bad and we should do everything to prevent it” to “our troops are awesome and never question why they fight”.

I’ve avoided anything military worship related after that.

 

[peetoo]

The latest remake of Dad's Army looks shite. Sound up.

Walking around complaining of mistreatment from a ‘police state’

 

[peetoo]

Did it involve anything along the lines of the “diggers sacrificed their lives for our freedoms”?

I’d like to know how the Ottoman Turks were threatening Australia’s freedoms in 1915, but I can never get a clear answer out of those who push that line.

I like the words of the last sieving Gallipoli veteran Alec Campbell:

"For god's sake, don't glorify Gallipoli - it was a terrible fiasco, a total failure and best forgotten".



Is it? Attendances at Anzac Ceremonies have fallen in recent years, from these numbers of count less than 2% of the population attends Anzac services:

Anzac Day dawn services plummet 70% over recent years

The fading relevance of past wars to younger, more diverse demographics is among the factors that explain a stark reduction in the number of Australians attending Anzac Day dawn services.

www.themandarin.com.au

It seems to be going the way of those who deck themselves out in patriot gear on Jan 26, probably a lot of overlap in both groups.

There was a wave of ‘doing gallipoli’ which went for a few years and tailed off.

Probably Kokoda more in vogue now

 

[Gough]

There was a wave of ‘doing gallipoli’ which went for a few years and tailed off.

Probably Kokoda more in vogue now

For a while it was just another stop your average Australian's European jolly alongside Beerfest and getting wasted in Amsterdam.

 

[schneebly111]

For a while it was just another stop your average Australian's European jolly alongside Beerfest and getting wasted in Amsterdam.

I went to Gallipoli whilst backpacking through Europe in my earlier years. Tried not to go to some Aussie bogan backpacker fest and book an independent tour but it was mostly Australians anyway. The Australians thought they were standing on Mecca, on sacred ground, then the Turkish guide told them this was an important place for the Turks too. This bemused the Australians who wondered why, then the guide said:

“This was where we stopped an invasion of our country by foreign armies”

It was as if a lightbulb went off in the heads of these Australians, who had been fed nothing but “the diggers fought for our freedoms at Gallipoli” all their lives, that the Australians may actually have been the bad guys and the Turks may have had something to defend.

 

[Cap]

The other thing that shits me , and this is more of a Republic debate, is the Poms would have absolutely ditched us during WWII

They might be different now(I doubt it) but in reality, if not for the US our national security never really existed.

 

[Forward Press]

For a while it was just another stop your average Australian's European jolly alongside Beerfest and getting wasted in Amsterdam.

Excuse me, I got wasted in Oktoberfest and then Earls Court, thank you very much.

 

[Grin]

Lol rubbish. The people with the microphones were even loudly declaring it goes well beyond a date now.
The referendum got comprehensively smashed, and now you lot all want laughable treaties, just to screw the taxpayer even further. Not getting your way

You're very naive and unworldly. You sound like you're in about year 8, with ignorant and opinionated parents, who you understandably ape, as 14 year olds tend to.

 

[Gough]

Excuse me, I got wasted in Oktoberfest and then Earls Court, thank you very much.

The CAMRA weirdos always put me off Earls Court.

 

[Forward Press]

The other thing that shits me , and this is more of a Republic debate, is the Poms would have absolutely ditched us during WWII

They might be different now(I doubt it) but in reality, if not for the US our national security never really existed.

Would have? They absolutely did. After the fall of Singapore Churchill's response to Curtin was basically fend for yourselves.

It was basically the start of our increasing Americanisation.

 

[Forward Press]

I went to Gallipoli whilst backpacking through Europe in my earlier years. Tried not to go to some Aussie bogan backpacker fest and book an independent tour but it was mostly Australians anyway. The Australians thought they were standing on Mecca, on sacred ground, then the Turkish guide told them this was an important place for the Turks too. This bemused the Australians who wondered why, then the guide said:

“This was where we stopped an invasion of our country by foreign armies”

It was as if a lightbulb went off in the heads of these Australians, who had been fed nothing but “the diggers fought for our freedoms at Gallipoli” all their lives, that the Australians may actually have been the bad guys and the Turks may have had something to defend.

I think Mark Twain said something like the greatest antidote to ignorance is travel.

There would be a correlation between the 'Australia f*** yeah' crowd and not actually having ever left Australia.

 

[Cap]

I think Mark Twain said something like the greatest antidote to ignorance is travel.

There would be a correlation between the 'Australia f*** yeah' crowd and not actually having ever left Australia.

Does Bali count ?

 

[Grin]

Funny now you're using a news.com.au article to make a point straight after attempting to discredit their polls.

How'd the recent referendum go your your mob? Heard it was a pretty big smashing. Turns out as much as you guys like to claim "the majority" has changed, it really hasn't. You're just living in a bubble

People are going to keep having fun, and not waste time concerning themselves with you bleeding heart types.

It was emphatic. Really fantastic for you (for some reason). Hope you had a great day

 

[ferball]

I believe you on that and I wholeheartedly support a new date. but listening to the protestors yesterday I get the feeling that even with a date change they will still be protesting about a day celebrating this country.

One thing is clear - we can’t go another year like this. It’s becoming depressing. For indigenous Australians. For immigrants who only want a day to celebrate the country they call home. And for the majority of our citizens.

Yeah. Lets celebrate our relos getting blown to shit because of a ruling class family feud in Europe over 100 years ago.

 

[ferball]

Could it not be argued that 'modern Australia' as you call it began on 26 Jan 1788?

It could not be argued by anyone that such a thing happened. If anything began that day it was NSW, which was a prison colony at the time.

Modern Australia probably began in 1986 with the passing of the Australia Act.

Or whenever it was Pauline Hansen started One Nation.

 

[ElectricG]

I think Mark Twain said something like the greatest antidote to ignorance is travel.

There would be a correlation between the 'Australia f*** yeah' crowd and not actually having ever left Australia.

I think that is completely untrue. Spend enough time in developing countries and holy sh*t you’ll be kissing the ground when you get home.

 

[ferball]

When other avenues for discourse don’t work….go the potty mouth route

Yeah but you know your question was bollocks as much as I do.

You're not always a shit campaigner Dan. Sometimes you're a very funny campaigner. Sometimes you make some excellent points.

But you can't be serious with that comment. Its just a failed gotcha.

Is Nigerian even an ethnicity?

Nigerian people are citizens and people with ancestry from Nigeria. Nigeria is composed of multiple ethnic groups and cultures and the term Nigerian refers to a citizenship-based civic nationality. Nigerians derive from over 250 ethnic groups and languages. Though there are multiple ethnic groups in Nigeria, economic factors result in significant mobility of Nigerians of multiple ethnic and religious backgrounds to reside in territories in Nigeria that are outside their ethnic or religious background, resulting in the intermixing of the various ethnic and religious groups, especially in Nigeria’s cities. The English language is the lingua franca of Nigerians. About 50 percent of Nigerians are Muslims and the other 50 percent are Christians.

I don't understand how your DNA test could reveal your citizenship-based civic nationality. That's the official Nigerian definition of Nigerian.

What are you really getting at?

 

[Roylion]

Yeah. Lets celebrate our relos getting blown to s**t because of a ruling class family feud in Europe over 100 years ago.

The reasons for the outbreak of World War I have very little to do with "a ruling class family feud."

 

[ferball]

Growing up ANZAC Day never had to be explained or promoted because everyone's grandparents were "in the war" and families were still dealing with the consequences of that.

I grew up in the 70s and my nan... She was the youngest of 13 kids and her favorite brother was 19/20 years older than her, she was still heartbroken 50 years later. She kept her brothers picture on her mantle piece her whole life (in a house I'm moving to next week funnily enough.) I'll be living in the house they were both born in (when it was a little mining shack) with my missus and kids.

I know exactly when and where he died in France and I know where he's buried.

Fake patriots shit me to tears.

I'll be going to the dawn service in his hometown next year but not for anything other to remember him and share/heal my nan's grief.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Even Steve Price and his Sky ‘News’ mates are admitting the ordinary Aussie doesn’t give a toss about Patriotism anymore:

Steve Price
Super Boomer

 

[Gough]

I grew up in the 70s and my nan... She was the youngest of 13 kids and her favorite brother was 19/20 years older than her, she was still heartbroken 50 years later. She kept her brothers picture on her mantle piece her whole life (in a house I'm moving to next week funnily enough.) I'll be living in the house they were both born in (when it was a little mining shack) with my missus and kids.

I know exactly when and where he died in France and I know where he's buried.

Fake patriots s**t me to tears.

I'll be going to the dawn service in his hometown next year but not for anything other to remember him and share/heal my nan's grief.

My grandad ended up at Belsen after it was liberated and granny always said that took thirty five years to kill him.